I think the pacing so far has been fine, it's just that this is around the time, story-wise, where a lot of games get repetitive and keep repeating the same type of scenes for several updates. While I do appreciate a good buildup, I also think the standard linear progression of most of these games, where there seem to be strict rules to follow in regards to the order in which things can happen (teasing and innuendo->massages, lotion->"accidental" light groping->touching with clothes on->HJ->oral->naked touching->vaginal sex->anal sex->group sex?) could be challenged a little. And I wouldn't mind if sometimes things take a big leap forward with a particular character, all within one update or even one scene. At least if you want it to feel realistic.
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So I'm a bit confused about this update and its seeming turn away from player choice. My run is just Katie (don't find Monica attractive and the younger sister annoys me), which was playing out as one would expect until this update. 0.05 and earlier you could choose who to go after and the conversations generally made sense depending on your choices which seemed to matter. This update kind of seems to throw that out the window though. What was originally a clear cut interested/not interested path with each of them is now just, "fuck it, you're going after all of them now." I get its tedious doing multiple branches but did the creator just say "fuck it" and made one linear path with arbitrary dialogue options? It makes absolutely zero sense for my dude, who has shown negative interest in Monica to suddenly be in a painfully uncomfortable situation with her at the end of this episode. Its your story so obviously do as you please, but I would've infinitely preferred a "don't check on Monica just go to sleep" option. Or hell, a "no thanks, I'm tired" option in response to her asking your dude to stay.
- Nov 15, 2017
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I think it makes sense, irrespective of your intentions. They have a connection and at the very least will have a growing friendship due to their mutual lose - his mother, her best friend.
It was something they did when he was a kid, she being a little drunk still and with her feelings all over the place has got nostalgic. He, as a good guy, does not want to hurt her and probably feels a little nostalgic, even if it's for a mother figure and a safe place and for him one of those safe places is watching TV with her in her bedroom.
For her to start stripping down is a bit cringy in in the context I've given, but you have a choice to try and help or not (presumably you'll fail). Before you have the option to wear PJ bottoms.
Even without the full analysis, MC wants to keep the mother onside at the very least or else he'll be in the same situation he is with Elaine, except without any legal claim.
ETA - welcome to F95 and your first like \o/
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Not at you, kibbles, but at those complaining about not knowing repercussion of choices....curl up now and hide under the bed...because real life is coming for you and you know what...you don't know, sometimes until 20+ years later the repercussions. The joy of games like this, you can jump into the dev console (I found out how with a little searching), you can save at multiple points and go back to them, hell you can even start over if things go that bad. I had forgotten the situation between Katie and shit 4 brains, so you know what I did? #shock horror# I went back to an earlier save... O.O
- Feb 17, 2018
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It's so fun to see such a divided debate over the game. Nothing spells unpopular like a quiet thread.
And, while I appreciate the variety of personal views expressed, some of them give the impression that the poster's opinion is more valid than anyone else's. That's a bit tunnel vision.
For example, I love the pacing in this game. I think it's entirely acceptable and realistic. I don't think people asking for faster pacing are basing it on real life, but with the knowledge that it's a computer game and thus malleable.
I also like running my choices and seeing the effect and then going back later and running a different path. I admit, I have been "trained" by GGGB for this practice, but I am in love with the "skip dialogue" function of Ren'py (I wish I could use this with my sister and her 45 minute phone calls).
It's not necessary for every poster to recognize that there are different likes and faves among the people playing the game. This is an opinion thread as much as it is a discussion thread. Some posts would be a little more readable with a bit more perspective and a little less conviction, though.
Now, for my specific list, with my *personal* reasons:
1) Monica - I freely admit, I'm a MILF man. Monica has the classic busty body with just a hint of matronly curves. I like that she wants the MC as much as he wants her and they both are working towards overcoming the awkwardness of years of familiarity. Not just straight horndog (though the MC is a little too unconflicted for my tastes)
2) Jenna - glasses and big breasts. I'm so shallow. Plus, there's the overcoming resistance thing again. And the whole "discovery of sexuality" that is the sweet form of "corruption".
3) Katie - it's the only relationship that makes sense and that's why it's the least interesting to me. Not unappealing, mind you, as the dialog between them and attraction seems very adult and realistic. But, I play adult games for a tinge of "unrealism" (as realistically as possible, if you understand the seeming contradiction) and Katie feels more like a dating sim. But, I do admit she's pretty hot!
4) Lily - I like redheads and brunettes. Plus, she's daft, which is always fun.
5) Debbie - meh. Seems a little too much "bad girl" trope. Probably fine, just "frisky", but meh for me.
6) Cafe girl - so blah I can't even remember her name. Nice model, but too many girls already in the game.
7) Zarah - Evil. Manipulative to my adorable Monica. Going around others' back to try to corrupt people. Yeah, no interest at all. Actually dislike her more than the mysterious Elaine.
I don't list Elaine here because we haven't really met her. Is she the bitch she seems to be or is there something of real depth causing her to act that way? I'm interested to find out if she's just a banal trope or going to have real content.
And, yup, these are all my opinions. None of you Katie fanatics have anything to fear from me, My influence is exactly equal to yours!
And, while I appreciate the variety of personal views expressed, some of them give the impression that the poster's opinion is more valid than anyone else's. That's a bit tunnel vision.
For example, I love the pacing in this game. I think it's entirely acceptable and realistic. I don't think people asking for faster pacing are basing it on real life, but with the knowledge that it's a computer game and thus malleable.
I also like running my choices and seeing the effect and then going back later and running a different path. I admit, I have been "trained" by GGGB for this practice, but I am in love with the "skip dialogue" function of Ren'py (I wish I could use this with my sister and her 45 minute phone calls).
It's not necessary for every poster to recognize that there are different likes and faves among the people playing the game. This is an opinion thread as much as it is a discussion thread. Some posts would be a little more readable with a bit more perspective and a little less conviction, though.
Now, for my specific list, with my *personal* reasons:
1) Monica - I freely admit, I'm a MILF man. Monica has the classic busty body with just a hint of matronly curves. I like that she wants the MC as much as he wants her and they both are working towards overcoming the awkwardness of years of familiarity. Not just straight horndog (though the MC is a little too unconflicted for my tastes)
2) Jenna - glasses and big breasts. I'm so shallow. Plus, there's the overcoming resistance thing again. And the whole "discovery of sexuality" that is the sweet form of "corruption".
3) Katie - it's the only relationship that makes sense and that's why it's the least interesting to me. Not unappealing, mind you, as the dialog between them and attraction seems very adult and realistic. But, I play adult games for a tinge of "unrealism" (as realistically as possible, if you understand the seeming contradiction) and Katie feels more like a dating sim. But, I do admit she's pretty hot!
4) Lily - I like redheads and brunettes. Plus, she's daft, which is always fun.
5) Debbie - meh. Seems a little too much "bad girl" trope. Probably fine, just "frisky", but meh for me.
6) Cafe girl - so blah I can't even remember her name. Nice model, but too many girls already in the game.
7) Zarah - Evil. Manipulative to my adorable Monica. Going around others' back to try to corrupt people. Yeah, no interest at all. Actually dislike her more than the mysterious Elaine.
I don't list Elaine here because we haven't really met her. Is she the bitch she seems to be or is there something of real depth causing her to act that way? I'm interested to find out if she's just a banal trope or going to have real content.
And, yup, these are all my opinions. None of you Katie fanatics have anything to fear from me, My influence is exactly equal to yours!
Very good. the mother, monica, seems perfect to me as it is. I look forward to the next update
Ok finally played the 0.06 update and it's really good, seriously Cheeky you know how to write some damn good smutKatie is simply amazing and the way she and MC play off each other is so fun and so frickin hot. BTW Cheeky if i choose to have fun with the ugly neighbor and said that Katie's friends are hot when she asked, will that end up screwing me over or is this meant to be harem style game so there won't be any negative outcomes from those decisions ?
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- Mar 28, 2018
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Was thinking about the choices consequences that some of you feel to be too much unpredictable...
I think it's part of playing the game that you have to think about what will happened with the choice you make.
Making it too obvious from the start is not a good option. If you do it this way why bother with the choices in the first place.
One recent game did it in a good way it's acting lessons. By giving a summary of the situation with each character at the end of a chapter you have a good grasp of what consequences had the choices you made. Then you have the opportunity to replay it if you want.
And as @Ignatz said, the skip function of renpy is a great tool to do it quickly
I think it's part of playing the game that you have to think about what will happened with the choice you make.
Making it too obvious from the start is not a good option. If you do it this way why bother with the choices in the first place.
One recent game did it in a good way it's acting lessons. By giving a summary of the situation with each character at the end of a chapter you have a good grasp of what consequences had the choices you made. Then you have the opportunity to replay it if you want.
And as @Ignatz said, the skip function of renpy is a great tool to do it quickly
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- Mar 28, 2018
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What bothers me with the situation of @VOYEUR is that if you want to see the scene it means you like her. So your previous choices should have given him enough points for any of the stat needed.
It's strange to be interested in this scene and not in the previous ones.
Not judging here, in fact not my problem, just can't understand it.
It's strange to be interested in this scene and not in the previous ones.
Not judging here, in fact not my problem, just can't understand it.
- Oct 23, 2016
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I don't quite get the complaints, but of course I like the whole family, not just one daughter or Monica.
So you can imagine that for me this update was golden as I got closer to each of them, plus got to make out with the cute, little blonde.
I finally decided not to go after the neighbor sexually.
If I'm honest her face looks too much like some of those leather-skinned wannabe cougars I've actually seen, even if her body is hot. So I was pleasantly surprised that there was an option to confide in her about your growing attraction to Monica while not pursuing her in any way.
All in all a great update and this game grows ever higher on my list of those games I look forward to each update.
So you can imagine that for me this update was golden as I got closer to each of them, plus got to make out with the cute, little blonde.
I finally decided not to go after the neighbor sexually.
If I'm honest her face looks too much like some of those leather-skinned wannabe cougars I've actually seen, even if her body is hot. So I was pleasantly surprised that there was an option to confide in her about your growing attraction to Monica while not pursuing her in any way.
All in all a great update and this game grows ever higher on my list of those games I look forward to each update.
I enjoyed this update and this is one of my favorite games. There were a couple of times during the Monica scenes that I was expecting to have to make a choice but nothing happened that was a little disappointing though. I am wondering the implications of holding her friends head and making her gag on my cock vs warning her first though. Can't wait for the next update.
- Jan 29, 2018
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What are you trying to say? Are you questioning the process of accumulating points to unlock that scene?
- Mar 28, 2018
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@CheekyGimp please don't tell us too much about the mechanics...
We need to discover by ourselves the consequences of specific choices ( even if most of us already have the drunk meter in mind after what the neighboor said).
About the lust stat, yes, reseting it to zero each day makes no sense whatsoever, but making it lower over time if you don't engage with the character anymore works. Again, I don't know how difficult it is to implement. But for me, not speaking or fooling with someone over time make desire go down over time.
About the stat display, I think one of the two options is enough. With a display inside the game ( like the phone thingy), you can in real time see the consequence and rollback, so no need to have a summary in the end. The summary is usefull if you don't know the consequences along the chapter.
We need to discover by ourselves the consequences of specific choices ( even if most of us already have the drunk meter in mind after what the neighboor said).
About the lust stat, yes, reseting it to zero each day makes no sense whatsoever, but making it lower over time if you don't engage with the character anymore works. Again, I don't know how difficult it is to implement. But for me, not speaking or fooling with someone over time make desire go down over time.
About the stat display, I think one of the two options is enough. With a display inside the game ( like the phone thingy), you can in real time see the consequence and rollback, so no need to have a summary in the end. The summary is usefull if you don't know the consequences along the chapter.
Hey - Thanks for the feedback. And I understand your point about plot development missing out in favor of character development. When I was planning out the episodes from Day2 onwards, I knew something would have to give. I had so much content with regards to each NPC character (lots of side plots that I had to drop so far) and the main plot. I really couldn't decide which one to drop, so I put it to a vote on Patreon and the results came in very strongly in favor of individual character progression & romance instead of plot development, so that's what I went with. For most items, I have a clear direction, but when I'm on the fence, I will go with public opinion and majority voting (in this case it was a landslide vote in favor of sacrificing plot development).
- Mar 28, 2018
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Nope, what surprises me is that you are yourself surprised to not be able to see a sexy scene with a character with which you didn't engage much before.
For me it makes total sense that you can't go to third base before passing one and second.
Sorry, I thought I put the mechanics comment behind a spoiler. I'll go back and do that!
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Hey Shoxlover - Thanks for the feedback. What parts would you have liked more choice with Monica ?