Ren'Py Whispers of Desire [v0.30] [Mr_Fable]

[StrawberryCheese83]

This was because you are being too protective. She was just talking and if you interject everytime she talks to a guy it can look too controlling. Here I was expecting Alex to trust her to handle it. How ever it is very easy to get RLP in love route. It is probably at max . This point would matter more if you are not in the love route.

And for the dress scene I intentionally put that to force the loyal route players to increase exhib. Because if it's near zero, the players will miss many scenes.

Thank you for your explanation. The way how you explain it, makes sense to me. Nevertheless, if you gave me (as a Player) the freedom of choice (which i really appreciate) then i d really like to protect my "woman" On my watch exhib has no place there (in a loyal RL)...even if i understand you intentions. But i found a solution. I took URM and tweaked exhib points to zero. Problem solved. That gives me a more calm night... I am not doing that to mess up your vision of this Game, but i d like to see how good and believable different Devs can create loyal Paths in corruption/cheating Games. My first Playthrough is always the loyal Path....because creating this Path seperates the professionals from the Rookies. A little fucking in a cheating/corruption Game is not difficult to create but a really trustworthy Loyal Path (with a fitting and believable Dialogue) is much harder to achieve. So far..your Game shines on this Path and i appreciate that. Keep up the good work.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Folks need to chill, relax, let the story unfold some more...
The gym scene was fine.
It made perfect sense in context of the story for their to be -RLP if Alex goes and interrupts...
If it's a cheating path, again, perfect sense for Sarah to get 'upset' if Alex is controlling.

The only path -RLP for going right up doesn't make sense is a boring vanilla missionary position in the dark to procreate only path...

boring for u,respect the other people choices.

 

[blkcrow20]

I haven't played that game.

Don't bother.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Thank you for your explanation. The way how you explain it, makes sense to me. Nevertheless, if you gave me (as a Player) the freedom of choice (which i really appreciate) then i d really like to protect my "woman" On my watch exhib has no place there (in a loyal RL)...even if i understand you intentions. But i found a solution. I took URM and tweaked exhib points to zero. Problem solved. That gives me a more calm night... I am not doing that to mess up your vision of this Game, but i d like to see how good and believable different Devs can create loyal Paths in corruption/cheating Games. My first Playthrough is always the loyal Path....because creating this Path seperates the professionals from the Rookies. A little fucking in a cheating/corruption Game is not difficult to create but a really trustworthy Loyal Path (with a fitting and believable Dialogue) is much harder to achieve. So far..your Game shines on this Path and i appreciate that. Keep up the good work.

the problem isn’t exib or voyeur pts.I mostly the lost of Rlp points and corruption who can make trouble.

she should appreciate that she want to protect her,it have nothing to do with trust.

 

[redoubt27]

boring for u,respect the other people choices.

I can only presume that also includes respecting the story being told?

If he don’t get interven he will look like a loser.

What was that you were saying about respecting other people's choices?

 

[shavone1]

This female protagonist is smokin' , great update.

 

[AgnorWolf]

I overall like this one but one gripe i have is that the love path is completely at odds with how the mc behaves and thinks. For anyone not into the nts side of things the mc acts like he is and i have to constantly fight against his natural urges to be a cuck. His behavior is just weird and inconsistent. Anybody who isnt into it would have had the simple reaction to the pool scene with Jessica as oh didn't know john was a cuck and walked away. The wouldn't have felt anything more than either grossed out or whatever they do in the own home is there business. I can absolutely say they wouldn't have gone out of there way to google a bunch of nts terms to learn more about it. The love path is more a path where the mc suppresses his natural instinct until he convinces himself he's not into it. It doesn't feel natural. He should of started out as a neutral character and then based on choices you make start leaning one way or the other. Instead he starts off as someone who is overcurious about it and i spend my time trying to convince him hes not into it.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I overall like this one but one gripe i have is that the love path is completely at odds with how the mc behaves and thinks. For anyone not into the nts side of things the mc acts like he is and i have to constantly fight against his natural urges to be a cuck. His behavior is just weird and inconsistent. Anybody who isnt into it would have had the simple reaction to the pool scene with Jessica as oh didn't know john was a cuck and walked away. The wouldn't have felt anything more than either grossed out or whatever they do in the own home is there business. I can absolutely say they wouldn't have gone out of there way to google a bunch of nts terms to learn more about it. The love path is more a path where the mc suppresses his natural instinct until he convinces himself he's not into it. It doesn't feel natural. He should of started out as a neutral character and then based on choices you make start leaning one way or the other. Instead he starts off as someone who is overcurious about it and i spend my time trying to convince him hes not into it.

not wrong

 

[Nemesiz691]

So um ,the wife gets ntr yet? Lol

 

[Tinman021]

there is a lot of potential with this one.

 

[single_guy_from_au]

Will they stay devoted... or open their hearts and bodies to others..... or give in to the thrill of forbidden betrayal? The choice is yours.

I think we all know the answer to this question.

Especially after looking at this image:

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[Eleanorduval]

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I dunno what u try say,it’s just show she wasn’t professional and she are blackmailed.It have nothing to do with whatever they will stay or not.

 

[Wilwock]

Why describe things in a visual novel that we can literally see being done on screen. It's psychotic.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Is it controlling for a husband to interject when a dude is flirting with his wife in front of him?

Yes. If you have a sexy wife, this is the norm. It's also then the norm that she shuts them down. What's not the norm is a guy having a sexy wife then constantly trying mate guard, that relationship won't last long at all.

IMO the problem is so many games have normalized behaviors that would get you blueballed or dumped in real life. Thus some players understandably feel jarred when avn characters don't behave in the usual avn protag ways. You pretty much summed it up here, saying; "The dude is having novel feelings that are not jealousy (AKA cuckolding tendencies)" - as if the only two outcomes upon seeing such a situation are a jealous mc or a cuckold fetish mc.

However, I don't like inner monologues in general since they often lead to the mc describing feelings different than the player.

I overall like this one but one gripe i have is that the love path is completely at odds with how the mc behaves and thinks. For anyone not into the nts side of things the mc acts like he is and i have to constantly fight against his natural urges to be a cuck. His behavior is just weird and inconsistent. Anybody who isnt into it would have had the simple reaction to the pool scene with Jessica as oh didn't know john was a cuck and walked away. The wouldn't have felt anything more than either grossed out or whatever they do in the own home is there business. I can absolutely say they wouldn't have gone out of there way to google a bunch of nts terms to learn more about it. The love path is more a path where the mc suppresses his natural instinct until he convinces himself he's not into it. It doesn't feel natural. He should of started out as a neutral character and then based on choices you make start leaning one way or the other. Instead he starts off as someone who is overcurious about it and i spend my time trying to convince him hes not into it.

Yeah maybe he should make them conditioned on at least 1 sharing or 1 voyeurism point, a threshold to qualify the player as interested in some kind of spicing the marriage up.

On the other hand I do think it works if we think of the MC in a TOTALLY neutral state. You keep saying "natural", but the truly neutral observer wouldn't have strong feeling one way or another. Imagine some sheltered couple who was fairly vanilla, they'd probably have a reaction like "oh that's weird...why is she with that other guy if she's married? And her husband's joining in too? wtf, I don't understand." The reactions you're proposing for mc AREN'T that of a "neutral" or "natural" person, but moreso an average f95 player.

 

[TonyMurray]

Is it controlling for a husband to interject when a dude is flirting with his wife in front of him? Even if he couldn't hear the exact dialogue we saw, I'm pretty sure you mentioned he could tell from the body language. Not in my book.

That whole scene was weird. It was like the game really wants the player to let them talk. He is shown to be interested and curious to let them continue (in kind of an NTS way), but then we get the option to stop it, which makes him look bi polar. It's like the game gives negative points, because we forced him to go interrupt and he got pissed with us

I see this as a trust thing. He's harmlessly flirting, she can handle herself. If he was actively coming on to her, trying to touch her or something, that's when you might want to go into protection mode (although I'd probably do it in a way that tells her "I'm here if you need me, but I'm trusting you to be the one to make the call if you feel things are going too far"). If they're just chatting and being friendly, and you step in, it might suggest that you don't trust her to handle herself (and/or you're being too controlling, as dev said in his response to the initial query). I thought the +/- RLP here were perfectly well suited to the choices.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I see this as a trust thing. He's harmlessly flirting, she can handle herself. If he was actively coming on to her, trying to touch her or something, that's when you might want to go into protection mode (although I'd probably do it in a way that tells her "I'm here if you need me, but I'm trusting you to be the one to make the call if you feel things are going too far"). If they're just chatting and being friendly, and you step in, it might suggest that you don't trust her to handle herself (and/or you're being too controlling, as dev said in his response to the initial query). I thought the +/- RLP here were perfectly well suited to the choices.

bro u should thing in there context.Don't he was far from them so he can't really tell if there is something wrong.

IRL if people see a man with your Gf it is normal to wondering what going on.Second if u don't step up,she gonna think u are into sharing. Harmless flirting,depend of point view of each one.The thing that was jessica idea make it worst,when u know she is into cuck.
About she can handle herself we can t know as Mr Fable haven't give choice for sarah to make clear to keep it friendly when he start flirting.

Protection your partner doesn't mean distrust let don't mix thing.If someone try to protect me,i would be gratefull not pissed off.

 

[catgameryt011]

I just finished your second update, and I was really impressed by the writing in the situations. Now I have confirmed my hatred and aversion towards psychologists and therapists. There are some lines that reflect what those psychologists and therapists say, and they are demanding to reveal themselves to me. I liked one question: how many characters will the game have, or will it end there?

 

[TonyMurray]

bro u should thing in there context.IRL if people see a man with your Gf it is normal to wondering what going on.Second if u don't step up,she gonna think u are into sharing. Harmless flirting,depend of point view of each one.The thing that was jessica idea make it worst,when u know she is into cuck.

Protection your partner doesn't mean distrust let don't mix thing.

Okay, but would you really go and insert yourself into every conversation your partner is having with a member of the opposite sex? I can't remember specifically, but I don't believe MMC could hear the conversation, and I don't think there was any non-verbal stuff going on (touches or anything like that), so for all MMC knows, they could literally just be chatting - which is actually what they were doing. There wasn't even much actual flirting going on, that I recall.

Showing that you trust her by not jumping in on the conversation is not the same as making her think you are into sharing. Again, I can understand this viewpoint if the guy (and/or the wife) was doing something more - touching each other, making her look visibly uncomfortable/embarrassed/aroused etc., flexing in front of her or something like that, but I don't remember any of that, and so nothing that should be a cause for alarm for the husband who sees it happen.

Outside of the context of a sharing or NTR-type game, if you saw your partner talking to a member of the opposite sex, would you automatically think "danger!", and have to go and interrupt? Only someone who is really insecure would feel the need for that, surely.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Showing that you trust her by not jumping in on the conversation is not the same as making her think you are into sharing. Again, I can understand this viewpoint if the guy (and/or the wife) was doing something more - touching each other, making her look visibly uncomfortable/embarrassed/aroused etc., flexing in front of her or something like that, but I don't remember any of that, and so nothing that should be a cause for alarm for the husband who sees it happen.

Outside of the context of a sharing or NTR-type game, if you saw your partner talking to a member of the opposite sex, would you automatically think "danger!", and have to go and interrupt? Only someone who is really insecure would feel the need for that, surely.

Bro like i said before it is question of point view.There is no right or wrong.
Like i said before try to see all the picture,don't focus on physical contact.
I remember in the text it is written,that he start speak sofly or something like that.

And remember the discussion between alex and ashley,after mc and sarah leaved.He said they are interesting couple,so his motivations wasn't pure.

U forget the dicussion of sarah and dr eva,so u can't rule out it is occasion to test her theory.

she was accompanied with jessica who are total slut,so he can't know what she planed.

I choose to step up just to make it clear alex isn't into dr eva

 

[TonyMurray]

Bro like i said before it is question of point view,so not gonna argue just to be sure.
Like i said before try to see all the picture,don't focus on physical contact.
I remember in the text it is written,that he start speak sofly or something like that.

U forget the dicussion of sarah and dr eva,so u can't rule out it is occasion to test her theory.

she was accompanied with jessica who are total slut,so he can't know what she planed.

I choose to step up just to make it clear alex isn't into dr eva

Eva has nothing to do with this, I have no idea what you mean by the last line there. Speaking softly doesn't mean anything in this context, unless it's done as a means to get close to the other person, whispering in their ear, etc., as a means of seduction. Most of what you say is stuff that you as the player is aware of, but the husband is not, because he only plays his own POV. And you can't just automatically think the worst because your friend who is a swinger is there for some of the conversation, otherwise you will never trust your wife with your mutual friend. Again, I really think you're looking at this through the lens of someone playing an NTR/sharing game. You're training yourself to see seduction in everything, even if it's just innocent.

Remember there are two key things being looked at in this conversation - protection and trust. I still can't see that there's anything at all that the husband needs to protect his wife from, whereas if he feels the need to interrupt the conversation, it could tell the wife that he doesn't trust her to a) handle herself, or b) remain faithful.