Ren'Py Whispers of Desire [v0.30] [Mr_Fable]

[redoubt27]

It doesn't make sense
Mr Fable

Spoiler: About Eva's secret

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The allegation would be enough...
Having gone through similar IRL, a 3rd party allegation is more than enough to cause major problems, even without evidence, and even with the other party also denying there's a relationship.
Let me just say, it's no picnic telling your spouse you've been accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a co-worker, even when you didn't do anything...
My now ex-wife never got over that shit, even with overwhelming evidence to prove I was innocent.
The allegation was enough, it's extremely difficult to prove 100% you didn't do anything, and it was one of the major points she brought up when we divorced.
She said she couldn't be 100% sure and 99% wasn't enough...
Being fully open, honest, can still end up in divorce...
Part of me still wishes I had actually done something so I could say whether it was worth all the bullshit or not...

Eva's situation makes perfect sense, and she's guilty...

Eva is simply taking the easy path for now.
She might come around, as her relationship with Alex and Sarah is increasing, and if Alex and or Sarah are 'dominant' or not.

 

[Monty10]

I can't remember exactly, but how long had he been there for, I thought the dialogue suggested he had seen them either in the act or just getting clothing back in place etc. after the act. Positioning and actions can be quite obvious though if there is no immediate denial, so sometimes with a simple accusation without evidence, someone can betray themselves by immediately acting guilty or outright admitting it.

The allegation would be enough...
Having gone through similar IRL, a 3rd party allegation is more than enough to cause major problems, even without evidence, and even with the other party also denying there's a relationship.
Let me just say, it's no picnic telling your spouse you've been accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a co-worker, even when you didn't do anything...
My now ex-wife never got over that shit, even with overwhelming evidence to prove I was innocent.
The allegation was enough, it's extremely difficult to prove 100% you didn't do anything, and it was one of the major points she brought up when we divorced.
She said she couldn't be 100% sure and 99% wasn't enough...
Being fully open, honest, can still end up in divorce...
Part of me still wishes I had actually done something so I could say whether it was worth all the bullshit or not...

Eva's situation makes perfect sense, and she's guilty...

Eva is simply taking the easy path for now.
She might come around, as her relationship with Alex and Sarah is increasing, and if Alex and or Sarah are 'dominant' or not.

With all due respect, this only works on someone with a weak personality.
I was in a similar situation — I had sex at my workplace, and when my boss saw me with my colleague in compromising positions, though we were fully dressed, he asked, “What were you doing?”
I confidently said, “Nothing.”
He replied, “How is it nothing when you had sex at work?”
I said with full confidence, “Do you have any proof?”
At that point, he couldn’t respond because he had no evidence.
You people fear your boss more than you fear God — and he’s just a human being like you.

To be honest, your wife doesn’t trust you blindly — that’s why she believed those rumors.
I don’t know if it’s due to long-standing issues or if she actually caught you with another woman, but unfortunately, she doesn’t trust you.
And the foundation of any successful relationship between a husband and wife is mutual trust.

 

[redoubt27]

I don’t know

I agree you don't know, and you should stick with that...
Because you're failing to see other rather obvious possibilities...

With all due respect, this only works on someone with a weak personality.

The news is filled with false allegations that severely impact people's lives.
Johnny Depp, Trevor Bauer are just 2 common, popular examples...

But if you want to stick with the allegation isn't enough, that's your prerogative.
The real world has plenty of examples to show you're mistaken, and that's with people who are innocent.
But Eva is guilty...

 

[Monty10]

I agree you don't know, and you should stick with that...


The news is filled with false allegations that severely impact people's lives.
Johnny Depp, Trevor Bauer are just 2 common, popular examples...

But if you want to stick with the allegation isn't enough, that's your prerogative.
The real world has plenty of examples to show you're mistaken, and that's with people who are innocent.
But Eva is guilty...

And who isn't guilty? We're not angels.
Eva didn't steal or kill—she simply did something biological and natural that all living creatures do.
The only difference is the place, nothing more.
Sex in the workplace is very common, and everyone knows that.
Is it the right thing to do? Of course not. But that doesn't justify destroying a marriage just because your boss is blackmailing you.

 

[redoubt27]

And who isn't guilty? We're not angels.
Eva didn't steal or kill—she simply did something biological and natural that all living creatures do.
The only difference is the place, nothing more.
Sex in the workplace is very common, and everyone knows that.
Is it the right thing to do? Of course not. But that doesn't justify destroying a marriage just because your boss is blackmailing you.

Classic projection...
No, sex in the work place is not as common as you try to make it, especially in professional environments.
It happens, yes, but it's not even half, much less a majority...
It's big risk, liability to the company.
In my work place alone, I know of 5 employees who were immediately terminated for inappropriate, consensual relationships because they violated office policy and professional ethics/standards.

And Eva's case is not just sex in the work place...
Eva had sex with a patient. A big no, no in the profession. She would have lost her license, at minimum been suspended pending investigation. Neil would have grounds to terminate since she can't 'practice'. Then there's her own marriage.
She's going along with Neil for now because it's easy. She doesn't see a way out yet.

But like Fable said, be patient. Reader has the choice whether Alex and Sarah are going to succumb to Eva's input/manipulation.
It's clear she's going along with Neil, but she can't make Alex and Sarah do anything. She fulfills her obligation to Neil, and there is a plot to develop here that allows Eva to help Alex and Sarah blow the whole thing up in Neil's face. Eva's Neil problem is solved with little to no collateral for Eva.

 

[AL.d]

...Is it the right thing to do? Of course not. But that doesn't justify destroying a marriage just because your boss is blackmailing you.

It isn't justifying it for a moral person.

For the kind of person who would gaslight and manipulate her own patient into becoming a cuck, so her sleazy boss can bang his wife with no issue, it's perfectly justified. For an immoral person, calculating cost and benefit is the only thing that matters and she obviously found that route more beneficial to her.

 

[redoubt27]

It isn't justifying it for a moral person.

For the kind of person who would gaslight and manipulate her own patient into becoming a cuck, so her sleazy boss can bang his wife with no issue, it's perfectly justified. For an immoral person, calculating cost and benefit is the only thing that matters and she obviously found that route more beneficial to her.

Eva knows she can't make Alex and Sarah do anything; she's factored that into her equation.
Eva can only suggest it, plant seeds; she even tells Neil this...

 

[Couto25]

How many antagonists are you planning to add in FMC and MMC routes?

I hope you don't add too many new characters. It will be hard to catch up with the story that way.

 

[blkcrow20]

Eva knows she can't make Alex and Sarah do anything; she's factored that into her equation.
Eva can only suggest it, plant seeds; she even tells Neil this...

Yes, which makes it easy for her to potentially manipulate them, especially since they are not telling each other what's going in the sessions. shrugs

 

[Mr Fable]

How many antagonists are you planning to add in FMC and MMC routes?

I hope you don't add too many new characters. It will be hard to catch up with the story that way.

only a few more, not a lot.

 

[zrm2213133]

ulgy old bastard planned?

agree

 

[dark492]

the update was good

 

[packard1928]

I think the Eva sex tape is on the Thumb Drive.... I think the Sleezy boss has cameras in the room so as people come to the shrink for sessions .... he can find evidence to blackmail them.

 

[redoubt27]

Yes, which makes it easy for her to potentially manipulate them, especially since they are not telling each other what's going in the sessions. shrugs

I don't disagree.
But so far, Fable has given the reader ultimate decision control...
The reader decides how much Alex and Sarah are 'manipulated', even without them talking about their Eva sessions, yet.

And it's been hinted at in other comments...
If the reader chooses to give Alex & Sarah "strong" personality points, they're not going to be easily suggestible...

 

[redoubt27]

I think the Eva sex tape is on the Thumb Drive.... I think the Sleezy boss has cameras in the room so as people come to the shrink for sessions .... he can find evidence to blackmail them.

I'm thinking along these lines, too.
If the thumb drive isn't the video of Eva, what the heck could it be?

 

[packard1928]

I'm thinking along these lines, too.
If the thumb drive isn't the video of Eva, what the heck could it be?

others maybe... the intent is the same. Blackmail. The boss is a sleeze !

 

[packard1928]

Heree is a thought.... if Sarah took over the desk of a former employee. Perhaps they left due to pressure by blackmail. The Thumb drive was left in the desk.... by accident when they left... but it is still proof that management is sleezy.

 

[redoubt27]

Heree is a thought.... if Sarah took over the desk of a former employee. Perhaps they left due to pressure by blackmail. The Thumb drive was left in the desk.... by accident when they left... but it is still proof that management is sleezy.

Yep, it could be anything.
I was thinking in limited context of what we know in the story.
The only 'viable' hypothesis I have given information in the story so far is it could be Eva's video.
If it was video of something specifically affecting Neil, the person "fired" would likely have played their hand, unless Neil had the higher card...
I'm trying not to develop too many assumptions or expectations about it and just let the story reveal what the hell it is...

 

[AL.d]

Eva knows she can't make Alex and Sarah do anything; she's factored that into her equation.
Eva can only suggest it, plant seeds; she even tells Neil this...

She already does though regardless of player choice. They are both shown to lean towards the direction she wants them to, constantly thinking about her suggestions and acting accordingly. And they both do that, because they think that's what the other spouse likes, even though it's all planted by her. She is practically manipulating their love for each other to push them where she wants. It just hasn't progressed too much yet.

Which is why the game refuses to let them talk to each other about their sessions. Because if they do, her ruse that is working atm, will crumble, since they will realize she has been gaslighting them about each other's supposed desires.

A skilled manipulator can definitely make people do things. They just need to gaslight them enough, to make them think it's what they want/need.

 

[packard1928]

Yep, it could be anything.
I was thinking in limited context of what we know in the story.
The only 'viable' hypothesis I have given information in the story so far is it could be Eva's video.
If it was video of something specifically affecting Neil, the person "fired" would likely have played their hand, unless Neil had the higher card...
I'm trying not to develop too many assumptions or expectations about it and just let the story reveal what the hell it is...

Yep it is what we call a WAG .. wild ass guess !! LOL