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I disagree, and mostly because your comment doesn't seem to leave much room for a middle ground. I don't think he's already well on the way there (or "shaped to be a weak simp"), and even if he's not the strongest of male characters, it doesn't mean that humiliation and sissification has to be the destination. So no, I don't see what contradiction you're trying to point out.
I suspect "middle ground" means: stopping a process right there where you want it to stop. And I just think this is not probable in real life and especially in porn logic. He has to be able to say "no" once. Otherwise such dynamics go further and further. This is not a negotiation where you can meet in the "middle". So maybe it's clearer now where I see a contradiction here: a story is a process. If you put a lamborghini and a vw golf at the starting point of the race you can't expect them to find middle ground at the end of the race and reach a compromise. It will play out to the max according to the characteristics you give them at the start.
In a way this is again the topic of the relation between story and choice. If you want a choice according to your personal preferences you interrupt the logic of the story.
 

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I disagree, and mostly because your comment doesn't seem to leave much room for a middle ground. I don't think he's already well on the way there (or "shaped to be a weak simp"), and even if he's not the strongest of male characters, it doesn't mean that humiliation and sissification has to be the destination. So no, I don't see what contradiction you're trying to point out.
Until now I don’t find him weak not in my save anyway.
He doesn’t need to be muslcar or big boss or the big black man to be considered strong…
 
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I suspect "middle ground" means: stopping a process right there where you want it to stop. And I just think this is not probable in real life and especially in porn logic. He has to be able to say "no" once. Otherwise such dynamics go further and further. This is not a negotiation where you can meet in the "middle". So maybe it's clearer now where I see a contradiction here: a story is a process. If you put a lamborghini and a vw golf at the starting point of the race you can't expect them to find middle ground at the end of the race and reach a compromise. It will play out to the max according to the characteristics you give them at the start.
At the beginning the I needed them in the middle ground so they can branch in either path easily. But as the story divides into the paths their reactions will adapt to the path they are in. Also in this new release Alex has the option to say no a few times. And Sarah has the option to listen to him(route1& 2) or ignore it (route4) or hide things from him(route3)
 

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I agree, I don't see him as weak either on the sharing route. If I did, I wouldn't be playing it. I avoid those type MCs.
 
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At the beginning the I needed them in the middle ground so they can branch in either path easily. But as the story divides into the paths their reactions will adapt to the path they are in. Also in this new release Alex has the option to say no a few times. And Sarah has the option to listen to him(route1& 2) or ignore it (route4) or hide things from him(route3
I haven't played the update yet, I based my remarks on the first chapters. I'm interested in the "no's"!
 

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At the beginning the I needed them in the middle ground so they can branch in either path easily. But as the story divides into the paths their reactions will adapt to the path they are in. Also in this new release Alex has the option to say no a few times. And Sarah has the option to listen to him(route1& 2) or ignore it (route4) or hide things from him(route3)
Yeah all what u have would really considerate humiliation.What some people request is close to hard femdom,like Tony said it doesn’t fit the plot.
 
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I would not recommend spending your last $10 on an adult game
That's true and good advice. Sometimes I just get serious FOMO even if I'm not that excited to play an update to an avn if that makes sense?

I'll be honest a lot of games on here I play mostly so I know what happens and can talk about it, but I don't really enjoy a lot of them, maybe twenty at most.
 
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I suspect "middle ground" means: stopping a process right there where you want it to stop. And I just think this is not probable in real life and especially in porn logic. He has to be able to say "no" once. Otherwise such dynamics go further and further. This is not a negotiation where you can meet in the "middle". So maybe it's clearer now where I see a contradiction here: a story is a process. If you put a lamborghini and a vw golf at the starting point of the race you can't expect them to find middle ground at the end of the race and reach a compromise. It will play out to the max according to the characteristics you give them at the start.
In a way this is again the topic of the relation between story and choice. If you want a choice according to your personal preferences you interrupt the logic of the story.
I'll be honest with you, I don't have a clue what you're trying to get at here. When I said "no middle ground" in reference to your initial response, I mean that you seemed to be suggesting that the male character is weak and therefore it's only a matter of time before he's in a chastity cage guzzling cum from his wife's furry cup. If you have that as one extreme, and "strong alpha male" (I hate that term) on the other side, then middle ground is quite literally the space between those two extremes.

The game is full of choices, so both the MMC and the FMC are shaped by the options you pick. There are plenty of points where you can say no, or even where you can go partway down a path without it meaning that you want to go all the way as far as the path leads. That gives you plenty of room for middle ground. Even if you go along with the perceived "weaker" choices though (from the MMC viewpoint), he still isn't anywhere near being a "weak simp", IMO.
 

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That's true and good advice. Sometimes I just get serious FOMO even if I'm not that excited to play an update to an avn if that makes sense?

I'll be honest a lot of games on here I play mostly so I know what happens and can talk about it, but I don't really enjoy a lot of them, maybe twenty at most.
I recommend to not spend your 10$ on the game but to give it to me instead lol
 

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If he keeps going the way he is going, I am sure his membership will grow. Definitely a top sharing/swinging game in a field void of many good ones.
It really is. And you know how picky I am with NTS and stuff like that. I was very happy by the time I finished it recently.

One of the best things is that the couple aren't dumb like in so many games.
 

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I'll be honest with you, I don't have a clue what you're trying to get at here. When I said "no middle ground" in reference to your initial response, I mean that you seemed to be suggesting that the male character is weak and therefore it's only a matter of time before he's in a chastity cage guzzling cum from his wife's furry cup. If you have that as one extreme, and "strong alpha male" (I hate that term) on the other side, then middle ground is quite literally the space between those two extremes.
Let's not fight. Alpha male was here never even on the table. We already start from "middle" (I would say weak) and go downhill form there. It's not static, that's my argument. If you start with weak into such a dynamic you won't end in the middle between alpha and weak. Also I don't see the choices during the game really as shaping a character but rather as decisions which have to suit a character which is already there. A good game wouldn't allow me to shift a character within a few days with a few clicks. But that's probably a controversial view formost people here who find choices very important.
But as I said, let's not fight. I'll play the update and then see how it looks to me.
 

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If he keeps going the way he is going, I am sure his membership will grow. Definitely a top sharing/swinging game in a field void of many good ones.
Maybe I m wrong but i feel a game with various paths attracts more followers,than a game with 1 or only 2 routes.
 

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Let's not fight. Alpha male was here never even on the table. We already start from "middle" (I would say weak) and go downhill form there. It's not static, that's my argument. If you start with weak into such a dynamic you won't end in the middle between alpha and weak. Also I don't see the choices during the game really as shaping a character but rather as decisions which have to suit a character which is already there. A good game wouldn't allow me to shift a character within a few days with a few clicks.
But as I said, let's not fight. I'll play the update and then see how it looks to me.
Again, I have to disagree with you on two points: 1) I don't think MMC starts out as weak, and I can't actually think what you are basing that on; and 2) you are again suggesting that there is no stopping point. You're basically saying if you are "weak and going downhill" there's only one place you can end up - at the bottom - but that's not the case at all. Different people have different tastes, different desires, different limits. There isn't a standard "one size fits all" path that people take as they navigate their sexual experimentation. They can stop the journey at any point they wish.

As for the choices - yes, over time they do shape the characters (if it's all done well, and the early signs here are good). It takes time though, so we've only seen the start of that so far. If the choices were only able to suit the character we have from the start, you'd get to a point where you can't go any further without changing that character.
 

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Sorry, I already spent it on some food. I do want to sub to this game one day though because the dev deserves lots of patrons.
Joshy stop eating too much burger lol u are right it’s one of my favorite games.Seems he respects the logic for every paths.Tony know I starting bitching when I see ntr scenes in nts or loyal paths.
 
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