VN Ren'Py Whoremonger NTE [Act 4.1] [Turning Tricks]

[colobancuz]

As I recall, at the beginning of the game he makes a big pitch asking for people to support him. I'm just saying, that making one of the forced relationships to be with a stripper was not the best decision to achieve that goal. I'm not asking him to change anything, I just stopped playing the game. I was just making an observation.

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not accusing you of anything. Just claiming that the developer makes little money because AVN has an enforced relationship with a stripper (ex) is a bit barebones. First of all, everyone has different tastes, and I, for example, in general also do not like this, but this game has a lot of other advantages, so I do not mind. And someone may even like it. Secondly, the developer lost patreon and with it a huge chunk of income. It's just the law of the market - less popular and convenient place brings less income even if the ‘goods’ are of the same quality.
So let me give you an analogy: In a bar during a dispute a customer was shot dead. The doctor writes in the death report the cause of death was alcoholism. Why? Because the deceased had been drinking beer before he died. A wound to the heart? Oh, come on, everyone glosses over the harm from alcohol, and even without a wound he would have died sooner or later from heart failure or liver cirrhosis (by the age of 60). And anyway, if he hadn't been in the bar, nobody would have shot him. So it's settled - alcoholism.

And as far as calling for subscribers. Of course everyone wants money, and everyone wants to make more money. But not at any cost. It's just that this developer has AVN itself and its plot in priority and he wants to do as he likes without looking at subscribers. Those who like it will support it. How profitable is this approach? Probably not very (although this question is debatable, since he was thrown out of patreon), but it is the developer's decision. He could have introduced a bunch of wild monetisation to bring back the income level or dropped the project altogether. But he didn't, and not because he's rich, he just has other priorities. His own freedom of expression is worth more to him, that's all.

 

[billydonc]

A very good game, with a lot of road possible. Congratulation !

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Hey, I played every possible choices on love and lust path but I never had the threesome scene. Is there some kind of coding bug in this version ?

If you're referring to the MFF scene with Abby and Maddie, you have to be on the love path with both of them (according to URM. I didn't see it in regular gameplay either.)

 

[ptahn]

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not accusing you of anything. Just claiming that the developer makes little money because AVN has an enforced relationship with a stripper (ex) is a bit barebones. First of all, everyone has different tastes, and I, for example, in general also do not like this, but this game has a lot of other advantages, so I do not mind. And someone may even like it. Secondly, the developer lost patreon and with it a huge chunk of income. It's just the law of the market - less popular and convenient place brings less income even if the ‘goods’ are of the same quality.
So let me give you an analogy: In a bar during a dispute a customer was shot dead. The doctor writes in the death report the cause of death was alcoholism. Why? Because the deceased had been drinking beer before he died. A wound to the heart? Oh, come on, everyone glosses over the harm from alcohol, and even without a wound he would have died sooner or later from heart failure or liver cirrhosis (by the age of 60). And anyway, if he hadn't been in the bar, nobody would have shot him. So it's settled - alcoholism.

And as far as calling for subscribers. Of course everyone wants money, and everyone wants to make more money. But not at any cost. It's just that this developer has AVN itself and its plot in priority and he wants to do as he likes without looking at subscribers. Those who like it will support it. How profitable is this approach? Probably not very (although this question is debatable, since he was thrown out of patreon), but it is the developer's decision. He could have introduced a bunch of wild monetisation to bring back the income level or dropped the project altogether. But he didn't, and not because he's rich, he just has other priorities. His own freedom of expression is worth more to him, that's all.

That's a lot. As I recall, and I don't intend to play it again just to see the "commercial" at the beginning, his pitch is much more than "if you like my game please consider becoming a patron." Even on his SubscribeStar page he says that if he makes his goal (roughly 3 times what he is making now) he will be able to finish this game and his other game. That seems to indicate that without enough funding this game might never be completed. The developer seemed to realize that forced relationships were something to be avoided. I seem to remember a post by the developer that touches on this point. In the post he did say that some relations would be unavoidable because they drive the narrative (again as I recall.) From what I did play, I believe that same narrative could have been achieved with a friendship path rather than a romantic path, or he could have simply not made the character a stripper. Having read additional posts regarding his original plans for this game and his current plan for additional games I see that his current direction for this game is the "toned down" version. The audience that will not support him because of the forced stripper content will not support him in the future anyway.

This response is long enough. If you want to explore the impact of LI's in the sex industry, check out the conversation regarding the playmate option in the JUNO'S TASK discussion thread.

 

[CrazyRosie]

I am really enjoying this game as well as the other one. did anything happen with Olivia? I only have her coming for a sleepover and then - nothing.

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

I am really enjoying this game as well as the other one. did anything happen with Olivia? I only have her coming for a sleepover and then - nothing.

Yes, but only if you're on lust path with Abby, get caught grabbing Josephine's ass in the coffee shop that morning, so that Abby is mad at you and blueballs you that night, then if you're on Olivia's path she gives the MC a bj, if not Maddie does it.

 

[fkfark]

OK, I'll provide the love/lust decision points if anyone needs them (if anyone sees any errors, lemme know and I'll update):

ALWAYS CHECK PEOPLE OUT YOU WANT TO BE ON A PATH WITH! If you don't check them out, you may pull yourself out of any relationship, so always do that if you want to go down one of the paths.

- If you want Shack, don't "Tell Joe about the flashing incident" (rat her out to her mother Josephine) or you get locked out. -


Ordered by when the event happens:

Person	Love	Lust
Juliette	I can't find a love path	Have sex with her one more time before leaving prison
Kelly	Give Kelly another week, then don't put your hand on her ass	Give Kelly another week and DO put your hand on her ass
Mei Ling	Don't sniff her panties	Sniff her panties
Agnes	Approach her and get food and money for her	Approach her and give her $20
April	When discussing your history, tell her about your DESPAIR	When discussing your history, tell her about your RAGE
Maddy	When she's peeing, don't look	When she's peeing, do look
Laura	When you are working on the windows, give her privacy	When you are working on the windows, I want to see her
Lian	Do NOT keep taking photos	Keep taking photos
Shack	Ease her down	Grab her ass
Amara	Help her yourself (foot)	Call her sexy mother (foot)
Josephine	I can't find a love path	Look down her top
Amanda	She's automatically love	I don't know of a lust path
Olivia	No path yet?	No path yet?

Put save points on all of those points and all the "check them out" points and you can use those to try to find all the scenes. There are other points that determine some scenes, but in general, love/lust gives you the big differences. For example, I highly recommend april/maddy both on love and have maddy tell olivia to fuck off. Thank me later.

 

[LostatSea138]

Looks like it got taken down today on Itch.io along with a couple other promising games.

 

[TomB965]

Great NV, nice graphics, love it

 

[Turning Tricks]

Looks like it got taken down today on Itch.io along with a couple other promising games.

Actually, they took down my other VN - A Dark Horse Riding. When i saw that email I was like "WTF?!" Seriously, that is my side project and about as vanilla as can be, with no characters even coming close to being under 18. Sure, you can change their ages, but I can say I'm 16 as well... doesn't make it true, lol. Unfortunately, they locked both projects while I deal with their support so I took down my account all together. I don't need the headache of trying to appease a platform that lets Visa And MC dictate censorship for 100% legal content. We're in the middle of a social morality shitstorm right now, being led by a fucking credit card industry and egged on by a bunch of Karen's. Not a good time to be an NSFW independent dev.

 

[Mr-Mirari]

Actually, they took down my other VN - A Dark Horse Riding. When i saw that email I was like "WTF?!" Seriously, that is my side project and about as vanilla as can be, with no characters even coming close to being under 18. Sure, you can change their ages, but I can say I'm 16 as well... doesn't make it true, lol. Unfortunately, they locked both projects while I deal with their support so I took down my account all together. I don't need the headache of trying to appease a platform that lets Visa And MC dictate censorship for 100% legal content. We're in the middle of a social morality shitstorm right now, being led by a fucking credit card industry and egged on by a bunch of Karen's. Not a good time to be an NSFW independent dev.

don't let them win man, damn nazi

 

[Turning Tricks]

don't let them win man, damn nazi

I'm not. I'm regrouping, keeping my head down and when this swings back the other way (eventually, I hope) I'll be ready with a new brand and some new projects. In the interim, I am about to do some training in real animation. After all, these projects are mainly for building skills with 3D rendering, coding and writing. It's nice that I can self-finance this effort though. I'm more worried about what is happening in our world these last several years.

 

[Anteron]

Fairly new at this and think it's funny how he made F95 a fairly major thing within the game

 

[balboa2151]

I'm not. I'm regrouping, keeping my head down and when this swings back the other way (eventually, I hope) I'll be ready with a new brand and some new projects. In the interim, I am about to do some training in real animation. After all, these projects are mainly for building skills with 3D rendering, coding and writing. It's nice that I can self-finance this effort though. I'm more worried about what is happening in our world these last several years.

hearing this fucking pisses me off, I received an email last night from Tremmi games( I subscribe for free) saying tha itch took their games down as well, who the fuck is behind all this? Whoever is behind this must have a lot of influence to be able to contol a large website like itch? I hope that itch crashes and burns from this decision, oh and by the way, I'm enjoying your game so much and when I received the email about itch I decided to sopport you on subscribestar, thank you for all your hard work for this amazing game, I wanted to ask one question, I'm using 0x52 mod and I wanted to know can I have lust and love together or it needs to be one or the other? thanks

 

[Turning Tricks]

hearing this fucking pisses me off, I received an email last night from Tremmi games( I subscribe for free) saying tha itch took their games down as well, who the fuck is behind all this? Whoever is behind this must have a lot of influence to be able to contol a large website like itch? I hope that itch crashes and burns from this decision, oh and by the way, I'm enjoying your game so much and when I received the email about itch I decided to sopport you on subscribestar, thank you for all your hard work for this amazing game, I wanted to ask one question, I'm using 0x52 mod and I wanted to know can I have lust and love together or it needs to be one or the other? thanks

First ... not sure about the mod. I designed the paths to be one or the other, but - if I am being honest - That design back when I did Act 1 was stupid. I made a lot of mistakes and in each update now, I am slowly trying to pull the story back into two main paths for each group of characters. But, like i said, i can't really give you an answer about that mod. I've seen some mods that do events and then circle back to let you try on the different path. As the dev, my 'official' stance is, you fuck with it, you bought it (haha ) but seriously, it's probably easier to just un-ren my VN's and then use the dev console to change variables if you want to do all the events without having to roll back and play different paths.

As for Itch, it's not a secret. It's Visa and Mastercard exerting their world-wide duopoly to be the moral white knights of the world. They have been doing this shit for years and recently they have caved to pressure from an extremist religious feminist group called Collective Shout, who made the dev of No Mercy a millionaire in under a week, and thought that was a win, so now they are targeting Steam and Itch. Itch delisted their entire stable of NSFW games and are trying to tell people they will get them back listed as soon as they review all the games for compliance with MC/Visa's policies. Personally, I think Itch just shot itself in the dick, first by delisting their entire inventory and second, by their behavior on Discord when the douchebag owner of itch basically emojied a salute to everyone just prior to the purge.

I don't care about Itch. It's always been a small, poorly run outfit that only generated about 5-10% of my revenue. I requested they delete my account for now. Ironically, I bet my page is still up in months, because they have very few employees and now they have to try and recover from this shit-fest they created.

 

[balboa2151]

First ... not sure about the mod. I designed the paths to be one or the other, but - if I am being honest - That design back when I did Act 1 was stupid. I made a lot of mistakes and in each update now, I am slowly trying to pull the story back into two main paths for each group of characters. But, like i said, i can't really give you an answer about that mod. I've seen some mods that do events and then circle back to let you try on the different path. As the dev, my 'official' stance is, you fuck with it, you bought it (haha ) but seriously, it's probably easier to just un-ren my VN's and then use the dev console to change variables if you want to do all the events without having to roll back and play different paths.

As for Itch, it's not a secret. It's Visa and Mastercard exerting their world-wide duopoly to be the moral white knights of the world. They have been doing this shit for years and recently they have caved to pressure from an extremist religious feminist group called Collective Shout, who made the dev of No Mercy a millionaire in under a week, and thought that was a win, so now they are targeting Steam and Itch. Itch delisted their entire stable of NSFW games and are trying to tell people they will get them back listed as soon as they review all the games for compliance with MC/Visa's policies. Personally, I think Itch just shot itself in the dick, first by delisting their entire inventory and second, by their behavior on Discord when the douchebag owner of itch basically emojied a salute to everyone just prior to the purge.

I don't care about Itch. It's always been a small, poorly run outfit that only generated about 5-10% of my revenue. I requested they delete my account for now. Ironically, I bet my page is still up in months, because they have very few employees and now they have to try and recover from this shit-fest they created.

thanks for the reply back, I'm a big 2nd amendment supporter and I own many firearms and the credit card companies tried to insert their influence a couple of years ago just like they're doing with the games, well they found out real fast FAFO, people started to cancel their cards and the second amendment groups took them to court and the credit card companies got their asses handed to them, I know that there are no groups like GOA for the gaming industry but maybe we can all take a stand together? anyway good luck to ya with this BS

 

[ELTACO]

I think this game has a lot of potential , the characters, though not physically attractive, have really well written stories, I especially liked the best friend not being a cartoony sidekick but having a forced girlfriend and an ugly homeless girl thrust on my guy is not my thing. GL

 

[LostatSea138]

First ... not sure about the mod. I designed the paths to be one or the other, but - if I am being honest - That design back when I did Act 1 was stupid. I made a lot of mistakes and in each update now, I am slowly trying to pull the story back into two main paths for each group of characters. But, like i said, i can't really give you an answer about that mod. I've seen some mods that do events and then circle back to let you try on the different path. As the dev, my 'official' stance is, you fuck with it, you bought it (haha ) but seriously, it's probably easier to just un-ren my VN's and then use the dev console to change variables if you want to do all the events without having to roll back and play different paths.

As for Itch, it's not a secret. It's Visa and Mastercard exerting their world-wide duopoly to be the moral white knights of the world. They have been doing this shit for years and recently they have caved to pressure from an extremist religious feminist group called Collective Shout, who made the dev of No Mercy a millionaire in under a week, and thought that was a win, so now they are targeting Steam and Itch. Itch delisted their entire stable of NSFW games and are trying to tell people they will get them back listed as soon as they review all the games for compliance with MC/Visa's policies. Personally, I think Itch just shot itself in the dick, first by delisting their entire inventory and second, by their behavior on Discord when the douchebag owner of itch basically emojied a salute to everyone just prior to the purge.

I don't care about Itch. It's always been a small, poorly run outfit that only generated about 5-10% of my revenue. I requested they delete my account for now. Ironically, I bet my page is still up in months, because they have very few employees and now they have to try and recover from this shit-fest they created.

I didn't get a chance to grab the new walkthrough file off Itch.io before it went down. Is there somewhere I can get it? I have a few scenes I really want to open and haven't found the right combination of choices to do so yet.

 

[AntonioGustavo]

I think this game has a lot of potential , the characters, though not physically attractive, have really well written stories, I especially liked the best friend not being a cartoony sidekick but having a forced girlfriend and an ugly homeless girl thrust on my guy is not my thing. GL

MC's daughter is definitely hot though.

 

[cmoore]

Tried to download this game but there is nothing to play on it so I will wait for the next version of the game and see if it will work then.