why do people use Illusion games when Sims 4 does everything better?

blackmasha · Dec 11, 2020

Gambitf95 said:
There is several cons :
- EA will fuck your brain out if you start selling a porn game with there assets
- Sims modders will start a witch hunt if you sell a game with their assets if you don't have their aggreement.
- Creating a scene while sims doing what they want will be long and hellish (you can remove autonomy of the household through)
- Camera positionning is a bitch
- There is less creative option to design female character (male character design sucks in illusion game too).

(pardon my french)

EA and the modders stuff is ye, I get it. tho what about honey select? those mods were made by modders as well, might have the same problem.

creating a scene in sims 4 is easy with the cheat engine and removing autonomy. camera positioning is made easier with mods, it also has first person view.
design females... idk, I've seen lots of options from size/height to body parts, also everything in honey select games look jap, in sims 4 you can create them actually looking different. there are also way and I mean way more (thousands) more positions and areas that you can build. it's a much easier sand box to handle, I really don't get all the illusion stuff, the lack of content despite full modded versions like FR3 is astonishing to me.

also sims 4 at least from what I've seen has a lot less problems in terms of body size. there are insane amounts of content for short girls/loli/shota. all ready for use (large males with monster penises don't clip through small partners most of the time, there is quite a lot of content here but ofc it will never pass on this site so you won't find it here) on the other hand I couldn't found anything good enough in any illusion game incase I ever want to create that kind of game. anyone can use renpy and sims 4 to create amazing huge games that are very easy to create. again.. at least from what I've seen, maybe renpy isn't the best choice but the coding seems easy enough.

if you are well versed in illusion creation studio then sure, but it will still take longer. even the games on this site, some of them are amazing, use the same animations/positions because the author rather create different pics then work on new animations, it's too hard apparently.

male character design in sims 4 looks like it has everything you would ever want.

I think it's the fact that sims 4 is more cartoonish than Honey Select and alike that is the problem. but in terms of content and stability? (I have like hundreds of mods at the same time + every DLC the game has, Sims 3 would never run this, just the DLC's would turn any loading into 5 minutes LOL, that game wasn't optimized at all, fuck EA) Sims 4 is the clear winner out of any other game.

Leeduva · Dec 15, 2020

blackmasha said:
EA and the modders stuff is ye, I get it. tho what about honey select? those mods were made by modders as well, might have the same problem.

creating a scene in sims 4 is easy with the cheat engine and removing autonomy. camera positioning is made easier with mods, it also has first person view.
design females... idk, I've seen lots of options from size/height to body parts, also everything in honey select games look jap, in sims 4 you can create them actually looking different. there are also way and I mean way more (thousands) more positions and areas that you can build. it's a much easier sand box to handle, I really don't get all the illusion stuff, the lack of content despite full modded versions like FR3 is astonishing to me.

also sims 4 at least from what I've seen has a lot less problems in terms of body size. there are insane amounts of content for short girls/loli/shota. all ready for use (large males with monster penises don't clip through small partners most of the time, there is quite a lot of content here but ofc it will never pass on this site so you won't find it here) on the other hand I couldn't found anything good enough in any illusion game incase I ever want to create that kind of game. anyone can use renpy and sims 4 to create amazing huge games that are very easy to create. again.. at least from what I've seen, maybe renpy isn't the best choice but the coding seems easy enough.

if you are well versed in illusion creation studio then sure, but it will still take longer. even the games on this site, some of them are amazing, use the same animations/positions because the author rather create different pics then work on new animations, it's too hard apparently.

male character design in sims 4 looks like it has everything you would ever want.

I think it's the fact that sims 4 is more cartoonish than Honey Select and alike that is the problem. but in terms of content and stability? (I have like hundreds of mods at the same time + every DLC the game has, Sims 3 would never run this, just the DLC's would turn any loading into 5 minutes LOL, that game wasn't optimized at all, fuck EA) Sims 4 is the clear winner out of any other game.

Make me want to buy Sim 4.

blackmasha · Dec 16, 2020

Leeduva said:
Make me want to buy Sim 4.

don't, the entire cost of all the DLC's is insane, not to mention most of them were cut from the old games to be resold and paid dlc, it's disgusting what they've done. you shouldn't pirate games but, EA doesn't deserve your money.

Mimir's Lab · Dec 16, 2020

blackmasha said:
EA and the modders stuff is ye, I get it. tho what about honey select? those mods were made by modders as well, might have the same problem.

creating a scene in sims 4 is easy with the cheat engine and removing autonomy. camera positioning is made easier with mods, it also has first person view.
design females... idk, I've seen lots of options from size/height to body parts, also everything in honey select games look jap, in sims 4 you can create them actually looking different. there are also way and I mean way more (thousands) more positions and areas that you can build. it's a much easier sand box to handle, I really don't get all the illusion stuff, the lack of content despite full modded versions like FR3 is astonishing to me.

also sims 4 at least from what I've seen has a lot less problems in terms of body size. there are insane amounts of content for short girls/loli/shota. all ready for use (large males with monster penises don't clip through small partners most of the time, there is quite a lot of content here but ofc it will never pass on this site so you won't find it here) on the other hand I couldn't found anything good enough in any illusion game incase I ever want to create that kind of game. anyone can use renpy and sims 4 to create amazing huge games that are very easy to create. again.. at least from what I've seen, maybe renpy isn't the best choice but the coding seems easy enough.

I haven't played Sims 4 before, let alone try to use it as a development tool, so take what I say with a grain of salt. There is definitely a lower barrier of entry for Illusion games when you consider that each game has a Studio tool with the ability to craft your own scenes. You say that you can set up a similar rendering environment in Sims 4 with cheat engine and autonomy removal, but it ultimately comes down to control. For example, can you rotate your characters and objects without without snapping to every 45 degrees, move things on the Z-axis, control all the lighting in the scene, or position your character's body parts wherever you want? Maybe you can, again I haven't used it before.

Then it also comes down to the style of the graphics. Sims 4 has a style of graphics that I would call attractive, but not sexually attractive. I have a sneaking suspicion that the developers intentionally created the style to be sexually unattractive so their game doesn't turn into a fuckfest simulator for their casual audiences. It just doesn't have that vulgar "umpf" that the Illusion games have that makes you want to jerk one out when you see a titty. There's a couple Sims 4 games out there that I think have pretty great content but I think are held back by the visuals. It's just not as popular as the Illusion or Daz counterparts.

blackmasha · Dec 16, 2020

Mimir's Lab said:
I haven't played Sims 4 before, let alone try to use it as a development tool, so take what I say with a grain of salt. There is definitely a lower barrier of entry for Illusion games when you consider that each game has a Studio tool with the ability to craft your own scenes. You say that you can set up a similar rendering environment in Sims 4 with cheat engine and autonomy removal, but it ultimately comes down to control. For example, can you rotate your characters and objects without without snapping to every 45 degrees, move things on the Z-axis, control all the lighting in the scene, or position your character's body parts wherever you want? Maybe you can, again I haven't used it before.

Then it also comes down to the style of the graphics. Sims 4 has a style of graphics that I would call attractive, but not sexually attractive. I have a sneaking suspicion that the developers intentionally created the style to be sexually unattractive so their game doesn't turn into a fuckfest simulator for their casual audiences. It just doesn't have that vulgar "umpf" that the Illusion games have that makes you want to jerk one out when you see a titty. There's a couple Sims 4 games out there that I think have pretty great content but I think are held back by the visuals. It's just not as popular as the Illusion or Daz counterparts.

can you share those sims games you've seen?

Mimir's Lab · Dec 16, 2020

blackmasha said:
can you share those sims games you've seen?

Drawing My Life is the only one I can remember off the top of my head.

Hadley · Dec 16, 2020

The pro of Sims is that the Characters don't all look like Asians, but the problem is that even with Alpha Mods you can't get super high-poly characters.

blackmasha · Dec 16, 2020

Hadley said:
The pro of Sims is that the Characters don't all look like Asians, but the problem is that even with Alpha Mods you can't get super high-poly characters.

ye but everyone is using honey select, and there are so few animations compered to sims, at some point what you have less becomes much more exciting. you rather have better copy paste characters bodies or x1000 more content?

I've tried kutiko whatever it's called, only to be horrified that it has the same boring ass maybe 30 animations in total for the entire game (fully modded!!!) it's crazy to me. whatever games will be created, 90% of them will have different looking Asians girls doing the same thing. meanwhile in Sims you have x1000 ready assets to be used in x1000 ways while having x1000 animations to use. and building a new area/room is actually fun, you don't need the annoying studio to start learning how to create normal looking pictures or videos because in sims 4 after you build whatever you want you just either take a camera pic or a video and then upload to renpy or whatever.

I mean it's more content with far less work, I don't understand the people who keep using honey select, other than you know.. EA might get angry about you stealing their money.

Draverik · Dec 16, 2020

It could be an aquired taste. Also the fact that there hasn't been that many games made with The Sims 4 and the ones that are being made are just vanilla sims with nudity and wickedwims wich could be a little underwhelming so it's hard to sell the potential but it's definetely there.

AnOldMan · Jan 20, 2021

My 2 cents is: barrier of entry is too damn high. Had the same experience as with skyrim: troubleshooting for 3 days straight is not fun, so I ditched it all.
Illusion games have definitive modpacks that are being updated. So in terms of usability, yeah, I do have a preference.

Drunktard69 · Jan 20, 2021

Why no one uses Sims?
1. No one wants EA breathing down their neck.
2. Looks like shit compared.

3. You can't pose. It's the question you ignored even when someone asked you this.
4. You can't animate (Yes, With HS you can even make your own animations, it's not that hard.)

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5. You can animate vagina physics. There are also tools to make it react to objects.
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X. I could think of more reasons.

OP is just oblivious to HS capabilities.
Most HS games are lazy (can't even bother to make graphics pretty) but there are a few devs who make their games look good and even animate their own stuff with HS tools/plugins.

Haaraka · Jan 20, 2021

Because EA can walk in shoes full of Thumb tacks.

blackmasha · Jan 21, 2021

AnOldMan said:
My 2 cents is: barrier of entry is too damn high. Had the same experience as with skyrim: troubleshooting for 3 days straight is not fun, so I ditched it all.
Illusion games have definitive modpacks that are being updated. So in terms of usability, yeah, I do have a preference.

Skyrim is harder to mod than sims 4, infact sims 4 might be the easiest game to mod ever, you just throw mods in there and check every few mods to see if you get an error. if you don't then it's all good, once you do get an error you know which mod did it not that you need to check every now and then while adding mods because you get a log that you can post so others can tell you what the problem is.

blackmasha · Jan 21, 2021

Draverik said:
It could be an aquired taste. Also the fact that there hasn't been that many games made with The Sims 4 and the ones that are being made are just vanilla sims with nudity and wickedwims wich could be a little underwhelming so it's hard to sell the potential but it's definetely there.

WW is nice but you also has DD that has insane amount of content in terms of body changes, different body parts. children, toddlers (these are more in ww I suppose) and any grown up combination. it doesn't that those limits that honey select has, that's why it's so good.

the games being made with vanilla sims are.. well I won't call them lazy, but it's just a really good market that no one opened up yet. once it's out there people will notice it more.

blackmasha · Jan 21, 2021

Drunktard69 said:
Why no one uses Sims?
1. No one wants EA breathing down their neck.
2. Looks like shit compared.
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3. You can't pose. It's the question you ignored even when someone asked you this.
4. You can't animate (Yes, With HS you can even make your own animations, it's not that hard.)
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5. You can animate vagina physics. There are also tools to make it react to objects.
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X. I could think of more reasons.

OP is just oblivious to HS capabilities.
Most HS games are lazy (can't even bother to make graphics pretty) but there are a few devs who make their games look good and even animate their own stuff with HS tools/plugins.

EA doesn't even touch the people selling (for real cash) the cc they created using sims 4 EA assets LOL

you want to show me these HS new animations? you know this site is filled with HS games right?

also those pics you posted? these are just pics, not animations. I can create the same in sims 4 only it will take less time. this is basically cartoonish visuals vs the more 3d that you prefer. why not enjoy both? if HS had over a 1000 animations and not the same old boring that gets tired after a couple of weeks then you had a great point. and yes you can pose in Sims 4, they actually give you pose mod packs. you know sims 4 has the same studio stuff program right? XD

and what do you mean "you can't animated", where did the thousands of animations came from?

you can animate vagina physics in sims 4, DD has these already. they can animate any body part already, go check love lab and see for yourself.

Drunktard69 · Jan 21, 2021

blackmasha said:
EA doesn't even touch the people selling (for real cash) the cc they created using sims 4 EA assets LOL

you want to show me these HS new animations? you know this site is filled with HS games right?

also those pics you posted? these are just pics, not animations. I can create the same in sims 4 only it will take less time. this is basically cartoonish visuals vs the more 3d that you prefer. why not enjoy both? if HS had over a 1000 animations and not the same old boring that gets tired after a couple of weeks then you had a great point. and yes you can pose in Sims 4, they actually give you pose mod packs. you know sims 4 has the same studio stuff program right? XD

and what do you mean "you can't animated", where did the thousands of animations came from?

you can animate vagina physics in sims 4, DD has these already. they can animate any body part already, go check love lab and see for yourself.

EA is a western company and western companies are quick to lawsuit your ass.
You still evading the question "can you pose in sims 4". Why are you not answering for a second time? Because it's a NO. How are you going to create a story when you can't move the character's model's bones? Too limited!
I posted videos made with HS animated in the studio. Why ignore those TOO?
Anything that goes against your opinion is getting ignored

Also, you mentioned that sims 4 looks better than HS, now you say it's just a matter of style?
And as a matter, that cartoonish style for porn games is not good. Most people won't care for low poly models.
That same goes for HS. Even if it's a better-looking engine, it's already showing its age. Even HS2.

you want to show me these HS new animations? you know this site is filled with HS games right?

How about do a quick search for yourself? There a couple of devs who make their own animations. It's not that hard, too bad that most just skip and don't care learning for sake of their players enjoyment and you see most games using default animations with washed-out renders.

So, can you pose with sims4 in realtime?

Loganfin · Jan 21, 2021

Even setting everything else aside (and people made wonderful points), to me it boils down to the fact that female character models can be really, really hot in HS, and mostly not in Sims. Personally, my favorite HS games have some of the hottest characters in any porn game, and the sex scenes are hot to me. And there can be so many different ones!

AnOldMan · Jan 23, 2021

blackmasha said:
you can animate vagina physics in sims 4, DD has these already. they can animate any body part already, go check love lab and see for yourself.

Elaborate please on everything you mentioned, but especially this. As in, links to specific mods and hopefully guides on how to do it.
Otherwise what is this thread even for?
I mean at least clarify what DD stands for.

blackmasha said:
infact sims 4 might be the easiest game to mod ever, you just throw mods in there and check every few mods to see if you get an error. if you don't then it's all good, once you do get an error you know which mod did it not that you need to check every now and then while adding mods because you get a log that you can post so others can tell you what the problem is.

Look I've spend a couple days just browsing whicked whims site to understand how to download mods - and even then there were some mods I downloaded that were useless or broken or didn't work as intended... I tend to mod in big batches which looks like I shouldn't do that - but it would be bigger time investment to check everything.
So unless there are good up to date mod packs with all the good shit included and clear and helpful instructions on what to do in terms of character setup and all that jazz, I'd say it's still not that easy.

Meanwhile illusion games:
1)don't really need any mods if you know the language
2)have a repack with most mods necessary for everything if you don't
3)have sexually appealing voiceovers (even though they're in Japanese)

The biggest issue with Illusion games is default lack of translations. My experience with AI Girl tells me there are enough positions for intercourse (the options open up with time which is actually good). When it comes to niche stuff like bestiality/furry/toddlers... Well, first: yeah, still not modded into illusion games I'm familiar with, second: you sick bastard, and third - what about guro? vore? how good is support for futas? is dismemberment possible?

blackmasha · Jan 24, 2021

AnOldMan said:
Elaborate please on everything you mentioned, but especially this. As in, links to specific mods and hopefully guides on how to do it.
Otherwise what is this thread even for?
I mean at least clarify what DD stands for.

Look I've spend a couple days just browsing whicked whims site to understand how to download mods - and even then there were some mods I downloaded that were useless or broken or didn't work as intended... I tend to mod in big batches which looks like I shouldn't do that - but it would be bigger time investment to check everything.
So unless there are good up to date mod packs with all the good shit included and clear and helpful instructions on what to do in terms of character setup and all that jazz, I'd say it's still not that easy.

Meanwhile illusion games:
1)don't really need any mods if you know the language
2)have a repack with most mods necessary for everything if you don't
3)have sexually appealing voiceovers (even though they're in Japanese)

The biggest issue with Illusion games is default lack of translations. My experience with AI Girl tells me there are enough positions for intercourse (the options open up with time which is actually good). When it comes to niche stuff like bestiality/furry/toddlers... Well, first: yeah, still not modded into illusion games I'm familiar with, second: you sick bastard, and third - what about guro? vore? how good is support for futas? is dismemberment possible?

you can check the first question in the sims DD section in this website (DD=devious desires) everything else you can also figure out in lovelab. sounds to me like you just don't want to do the work, and want everything given to you with just the click of a button. they made "wabbajack" for Skyrim just for people like you XD

I do not use the toddler stuff, just pointed it that it exists and no, I can't link you any info about it unless you already know where to look. if you want it enough I'm sure you can find it yourself, just google the correct phrases and you will get there eventually. vore isn't something that is appealing to anyone (seriously, getting eaten is not sexual in any way, it's a really bizarre fetish) gore you mean? I don't know what guro is, shouldn't be hard to implement into the game, people just don't do it as far as I know. this fetish is meaningless to most people. futa has as much content as everything else because all animations are build for both sexes. you can either give a female a male penis or a strapon (both come in so many varieties you won't know where to start, from color to sizes and shapes)

Toweke · Jan 24, 2021

I think OP has a pretty good point, I'm not super familiar with the process needed to make an environment in Daz/HS, but I know doing it in Sims 4 is very easy and even enjoyable. That's one of the major draws of Sims games to begin with, the ability to create houses/buildings the characters can live in. And the first person camera is actually super simple to use to take pictures of those environments, it even has a built in FOV slider on the mousewheel. I used to use it all the time when setting up erotic scenarios in the game.

For the people saying Sims can't be sexy, I'd say you have half a point when regarding vanilla Sims, they are a bit too playdough looking to be erotic. But, there is some excellent body mods for sims that enhance their skin textures and polygon counts, same for clothing. I have seen plenty of them in the past. And while they may never reach the level of detail you could get from high poly, well developed Daz/HS games, let's face it, the vast majority of games built in Daz don't look any where near the quality in Drunktard69's examples above. I'd actually say it's a bit of a false equivalence to give examples of peak quality in Daz to refute the worthiness of Sims as a H game, since the average we see from Daz games is nowhere near that quality. You don't have to be the best - just good enough.

I spent a couple minutes doing searches and found a few examples of not bad looking sims (IMO), bodies/faces;