Why so many asshole males in these games?

[baka]

abuse of power is not attractive at all. and its nothing funny about it. its revolting and disgusting.
u know, theres some of us that actually think that honesty, emotions, love are important, but that doesn't mean we don't have a horny side that enjoy some fiction. i would never like to force anyone or get the girl because i have the cash, i have never payed any prostitute just because its fake, because its empty. but I would pay a prostitute playing a game.
games are to explore the limits, to get into situation we would never have, that not only are unreachable, we would never try to reach them as they are outside what our ethics tells us. just because theres assholes out there in the world doesn't mean we all could be one.

 

[styggtuff12]

thats one of the reasons i like summertime saga. no brainwashing, no blackmailing just making them like you naturally.

 

[El bacca Del Chew]

games are to explore the limits, to get into situation we would never have, that not only are unreachable, we would never try to reach them as they are outside what our ethics tells us.

I do agree with your post, you mostly right.
Just a thought here:
-90% of the games here, the popular ones are about abuse, mind control, cheats....(you know what), and because this is what people want, and this not a case of pepole play with what they got. Not in the 70's or 80's anymore, the offer do not dictate the choice, there's more than enough offer to choose what we like.
-In every thread and whatever the game is about, you'll find dozens and dozens of messages "do you fuck her/ them already"
-The vast majority of people want to play "trump" and not Ross from Friends

This is not a judgement, i don't judge or criticize, those are just facts.

 

[grev]

I do agree with your post, you mostly right.
Just a thought here:
-90% of the games here, the popular ones are about abuse, mind control, cheats....(you know what), and because this is what people want, and this not a case of pepole play with what they got. Not in the 70's or 80's anymore, the offer do not dictate the choice, there's more than enough offer to choose what we like.
-In every thread and whatever the game is about, you'll find dozens and dozens of messages "do you fuck her/ them already"
-The vast majority of people want to play "trump" and not Ross from Friends

This is not a judgement, i don't judge or criticize, those are just facts.

if you could explore the idea of doing something you know was wrong knowing there are no consequences or damage to anyone anywhere, wouldn't you? its not much different than people saving in skyrim and then slaughtering the entire town of whiterun. for some reason people tend to be more touchy when sex is involved even more so than the ending of human life, look at the game hitman you play a master hit man, regardless of the nature of the targets its a hit game where you play a morally questionable character its just different morals is all.

 

[El bacca Del Chew]

if you could explore the idea of doing something you know was wrong knowing there are no consequences or damage to anyone anywhere, wouldn't you?

Indeed,
and here i'm, on a porn game forum
But i was on the topic, why most of MC are assholes. And it's true they are, and yes you can play skyrim mass killer or hitman or Gta, you also can play plenty of games in which you are a true hero. In porn, nowadays, it is more difficult to find a nice guy, they are mostly horny molester who want to fuck all the bimbo/slut/hot mama/dumb bitches that they can. Which is not my fav thing, then this why i don't play many games here. And as i said to stay on the topic, i think and may be wrong but "why most of MC are assholes", because that is what most people want.
And to be clear, i heard you and understand and mostly agree with you, this is just my 2 cents feeling about the OP question. And despite it was unnecessary i wanted to clarify a bit

 

[grev]

Oh i wasnt trying to argue, i just like having topical discussions about things and you had some interesting ideas so i just offered up some of my own

 

[baka]

yes, the reason is like anything else, we tend to enjoy drama, thriller, end of world scenarios, fighting, war and all that, in porn is the same. we are also different, i dont like war movies, but i enjoy end of world movies. some like rape, while im not into it, i get more excited with the slow corruption and the ntr stuff, but when the girl is turned slutty its not fun anymore.
now, back to the assholes in games, for me it depends. it need to be smart otherwise i lose interest, its a delicate thing for me at least. so, its not that I enjoy assholes, most of the games are quite dumb and I get very little satisfaction, as I like slow progression where the girl turns slowly and its her choice, she need to have one, even if slim. i hate it when theres no escape. some games, when I just want some fun moments and stupid excuse for some sexy time, then one asshole here and there can make it fun.

 

[grev]

yes, the reason is like anything else, we tend to enjoy drama, thriller, end of world scenarios, fighting, war and all that, in porn is the same. we are also different, i dont like war movies, but i enjoy end of world movies. some like rape, while im not into it, i get more excited with the slow corruption and the ntr stuff, but when the girl is turned slutty its not fun anymore.
now, back to the assholes in games, for me it depends. it need to be smart otherwise i lose interest, its a delicate thing for me at least. so, its not that I enjoy assholes, most of the games are quite dumb and I get very little satisfaction, as I like slow progression where the girl turns slowly and its her choice, she need to have one, even if slim. i hate it when theres no escape. some games, when I just want some fun moments and stupid excuse for some sexy time, then one asshole here and there can make it fun.

giving the target a choice. its a fantastic idea but seriously hard to code i would imagine as it all boils down to wether or not the player makes the right choices as the MC. I think this is why i like wifetrainer so much though as all of the clients are there by choice.. at least at first and its up to you wether you play the good guy who just does his job in fixing their quirks ( even if you do this you still get sexy scenes) or play the bad guy who tries to basically steal all the wives and turn them into your play things. it has the options for all of that and everything in between. side characters you can flirt with to make your girlfriend but will leave you the second you get a side ho, shop clerks that willingly become your sub and other characters that will straight up end you if you piss them off.

 

[Thornhill]

giving the target a choice. its a fantastic idea but seriously hard to code i would imagine as it all boils down to wether or not the player makes the right choices as the MC. I think this is why i like wifetrainer so much though as all of the clients are there by choice.. at least at first and its up to you wether you play the good guy who just does his job in fixing their quirks ( even if you do this you still get sexy scenes) or play the bad guy who tries to basically steal all the wives and turn them into your play things. it has the options for all of that and everything in between. side characters you can flirt with to make your girlfriend but will leave you the second you get a side ho, shop clerks that willingly become your sub and other characters that will straight up end you if you piss them off.

You nailed it. The problem is choice. Be it the choices available to the player, to create a more immersive experience , be it the choice of Fetishes the games offer. I have zero interest in the Incest fetish, but if i want to play a seduction game, it's almost unavoidable . Yes, creating a multi path choice based game , with clever writing and interesting characters, it's pie in the sky, but that's my gage for VN's.

 

[Crusoe]

Why are they assholes?
Because in a game you can play the asshole without consequences. To free your surpressed desires/fantasies, your negative energy.

Because people see IRL the world is full of assholes and the guy on top is an asshole and being an asshole is part of the success so why not try being that guy in a game.

Because some people don`t read the words just looks at the pictures, so why bother?

Because some people can be true to themselves while playing those games after being forced to play the "nice guy" all day long.

Because these are porn games so most of the people don`t come here to find "lessons on moral".

And mostly because some people know all above and try to make a profit out of it.

 

[stc]

Being the 'asshole' also makes a lot of sense from a design point of view. At least, that's how I see it.
It takes a lot more skill and a lot of better writing to not turn into a cringy neckbeard trying to win m'lady's heart when you want to be 'good'. Your players will complain either about a lack of realism or feel the main character is too much of a wuss.

Whereas you tackle these things immediately by letting the player be an almost dominating presence to the women.
It still takes skill, but it doesn't take as much to write a story where you can basically alter their mind or force women into submission. You're skipping the hard work required to 'win' somebody.

Some examples that come to mind are Dual Family, where one storyline is now supposedly falling far behind the other. I say supposedly because I'm recalling this from memory and I don't want to discredit any games.

Another is Dating my Daughter, a story that has a slow burn and also results in complaints.

And of course, don't forget 'Eric'-like characters. The moment the actual asshole isn't controlled by the player, they start complaining. Because let's be honest, if the roles were reversed and people could play Eric instead of the son, they'd be giggling about what a passive little fuck the son is.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I have noticed on most VN's that if you go the nice guy route you are destined to fail pretty much every time...

Yeah, the number of games where it's mandatory to peek on girls or aggressively grope them, in their sleep or not, is enormous. But why peek on them, why grope them ? Soon you'll bang them all, can't you just wait for the surprise ?
That's part of why I like

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. In this game, being gentle and well educated is the way to be rewarded. You miss a boobs picture, what a big deal ? She'll start to be topless because you haven't acted like a dick.

This said, on the author point of view, it make some sense. They make adult games and want to make money with them ; some even need to make money since they pay for the artwork. So, in their mind the sooner they'll show tits and asses, the sooner they'll make a lot of money. Even if it's biased, it make sense. Especially when you see the number of, "no tits yet, so I'll pass", which can be read in threads about early games.
A story, whatever it's a good or bad one, need time to be put in place, a gentle path will need (in game) days before you see some piece of flesh. So you've the lazy authors who put a shower scene every now and then, and open all rooms at night. You become a jerk who only think with is dick, and every time you encounter a new girl, you'll bang her in less than three days.
At the end, why bother with the story ? It's the second release, the majority is happy because they can already bang a girl, and you already make $1000/month... Well, fuck the story as well as the girls, it'll be faster to wrote tons of "aaahh, ooooh... Yesss!" than sophisticated dialogs.
The worse part of all this is that it work ! Too many of these lazy authors make a lot of money, while most of those who try to have a real story have difficulty to achieve even a small goal. All in one, more free time and more money for the author, why say no to this ?

In the end, why so many asshole ? Because it's bankable...
It's sad, but if an author have difficulty to pay for the art of his game, the best solution is to create a rushed Daz3D grope'm'all like an asshole. He'll make $1000 in no days and finance his real game.

 

[pcg50]

Seems to me just the porn version of the power tripping players who goes on killing spree in GTA or pulling someone apart in God of war .
It's fantasy people explore and do things they can't do in real life , power centered fantasies are to be expected to be major theme . i know it was for me when i was a younger inexperienced teen , not a major fetish anymore
In real life most of us are powerless . They are plenty of games where not abusing your power is an option or you're not that strong in it .

 

[hewhocumsbynight]

I really thought that Simon from The Last Sovereign would fit as an example of a well-written and non-rapey male protagonist of an h-game. I still think he fits, despite the magic involved.

 

[Dasati]

I think initially at least, especially with new dev's its to drum up interest in their game. If it's purely nice guy then chances are for the first couple updates the sex will be very limited/non existent and thus unlikely to get much in the way of support. Teacher's Pets is a good example, the mind control route is fleshed out more in first few updates but now with a steady income and Irredeemable more established as a reliable developer. The romance route is getting more attention and it really becomes the players choice if they want to go the mind control or nice guy route. Even the mind control route is less assholey than other games as it's (in most cases) still a slow build up rather than going from 0 to 100 with one pill.

As mentioned above for some well written erotic games not involving mind control, manipulation or corruption you should check out Tllaero and Mortze's games and the older but still good Tllaero and Phreaky games. They all free to play, have well developed characters and are very hot.

 

[GodGoku]

Some of the family members too in these games. Especially Big Brother.

well, i can agree with that.
Big Brother Storyline is annyoing.
I hate many points of that game.

well, u should try ICSTOR games.
Well, now I m gonna give a review to bb now.

 

[Viron]

The nature of fantasy is being able to experience the things that you can't normally do in polite society. most people in their right mind wont rape, abuse, blackmail, or to a lesser extent cheat others. but that dosen't mean that people dont have an interest in what it would be like to some level. on the other hand not many people fantasize about being a nice normal human being cause for the most part they believe themselves to already be one. That is probably why these games tend to be more about the darker sides of life or the taboo. just my opinion though

I agree completely.

 

[Dasati]

There's also the popularity of harem games or at the very least the MC having multiple sexual partners, even if they don't know about each other. It's difficult to write a story where the MC is sleeping around without making him an asshole or using some sort of special aid e.g magic or mind control.

 

[The-real-Vastitas]

Asshole or nice guy I think it boils down to the question: Is it believable?
In too many games the MC himself does not know if he is an asshole or not which results in a tepid satisfaction at best. Do games tend to include more assholes than nice guys...certainly....is any of them really a deviant , manipulative or outright evil guy...nope...

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"I think initially at least, especially with new dev's its to drum up interest in their game."
there might be some truth to that as they tent to spin around after a few versions suddenly creating a nice guy while all is forgiven his former victims become willingly lovers...not exactly believable.

 

[grev]

Yeah, the number of games where it's mandatory to peek on girls or aggressively grope them, in their sleep or not, is enormous. But why peek on them, why grope them ? Soon you'll bang them all, can't you just wait for the surprise ?
That's part of why I like

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. In this game, being gentle and well educated is the way to be rewarded. You miss a boobs picture, what a big deal ? She'll start to be topless because you haven't acted like a dick.

This said, on the author point of view, it make some sense. They make adult games and want to make money with them ; some even need to make money since they pay for the artwork. So, in their mind the sooner they'll show tits and asses, the sooner they'll make a lot of money. Even if it's biased, it make sense. Especially when you see the number of, "no tits yet, so I'll pass", which can be read in threads about early games.
A story, whatever it's a good or bad one, need time to be put in place, a gentle path will need (in game) days before you see some piece of flesh. So you've the lazy authors who put a shower scene every now and then, and open all rooms at night. You become a jerk who only think with is dick, and every time you encounter a new girl, you'll bang her in less than three days.
At the end, why bother with the story ? It's the second release, the majority is happy because they can already bang a girl, and you already make $1000/month... Well, fuck the story as well as the girls, it'll be faster to wrote tons of "aaahh, ooooh... Yesss!" than sophisticated dialogs.
The worse part of all this is that it work ! Too many of these lazy authors make a lot of money, while most of those who try to have a real story have difficulty to achieve even a small goal. All in one, more free time and more money for the author, why say no to this ?

In the end, why so many asshole ? Because it's bankable...
It's sad, but if an author have difficulty to pay for the art of his game, the best solution is to create a rushed Daz3D grope'm'all like an asshole. He'll make $1000 in no days and finance his real game.

You make a lot of great points, money can be a very big driving factory behind less than adequate story writing. other topics we have brought up in this thread alot is pandering to the crowd and just exploring personal fantasies. but the one thing that i haven't see as an explanation for these characters without depth or decency is lack of experience. I would imagine a portion of the dev's for these kinds of games may not have the writing/life experience neccesary to write a character like this. Ill use myself as an example despite not being a game dev, I know if i were to develop a game, when it comes to the computer stuff ( graphics coding and what have you) id feel pretty confident in my ability, hell i am confident that i have some good ideas for a story too but i cant write my way out of a wet paper bag. I dont know how to make a character believable and still get the girl. i dont know how to make you hate someone without putting one of "your women" at risk ( read Erics and psuedo NTR ). So i think a lot of these so called flat characters and games could be a lot better with a skilled and experienced writer behind the helm.