Among other things. I'm also saying that gameplay is primary and everything else secondary, and that entertainment is primary, and everything else secondary. All depend of the player, and you find them all among the more than 5 Millions members here.
And of course it's part of the point. There's some creators who've quit because they promised a gameplay that they can't achieve to code correctly (I forgot this reason in my previous reply). This while, as I said, there's some who quit because they don't know how to continue their story. How reasons to quit can not be part of the point in a thread explaining why creators quit ?
Yes, it's totally untrue.
Do you really think that someone like Oni, who make arts since more than a decade, and is on Patreon since near to nine years now, do
Rogue Like for the money or the exposure ? He don't need his game, released every now and then, to have both.
And what about all those creators, around half of them, who earn less than $200/month ? They don't have the money, nor really the exposure, and yet they continue working on their game without quitting... It's not like all live in a country where life cost, and/or rate change, favor them, or have a well payed job.
Plus, must be said, it totally contradict what yourself said. How can one expect to earn money, and get more exposure, by doing something that you present as so demonized by the society ? Take one second to think about it.
"Since everyone hate porn and believe that is the most shameful things that exist, isn't it the best way to be known and swim in money ?" Who would think that exactly ? Well, except a psychopath of course.
It's probably because you fail to understand that for the vast majority of them, it's not a career but a hobby. They are doing it because, well, why not doing it ?
If it pay in money, well it's good and they'll not complain, but it's not the reason why they decided to do it. Seeing people liking what you did is already a good feeling, and for many it's also a way to be payed back for their efforts.
No, the truth is that their isn't such thing as "real world"/"virtual world", at least not in that way and for this topic.
An artist isn't not an artist in the "real world" because he only do numeric art. A coder isn't not a coder in the "real world" because he only share his software/games on internet. And it's not because we don't know their real name, that it's not the "real world". Many actors, singers, and other, don't use their real name. Is Nicolas Cage, by example, not an actor (yeah, well... imagine) in the "real world" just because his real family name is Coppola ?
You really don't have the start of a clue regarding the subject, right ?
The porn industry is one of the most competitive sector. For each person you know from this industry, whatever if it's an actor/actress, an OnlyFan model, an artist, a game creator or whatever, there's a thousand that are pure nobody. And among this thousand, you'll never see, nor hear about, around 90% of them.
And of course, in top of that there's the fact that it's a niche sector. Despite what I said regarding how tolerated porn can be, it's not something consumed regularly enough by enough persons. Yes it make money, but not because there's a vast public. It make money because a part of the consumers believe that it's forbidden and therefore that their privacy worth this price, while another part of the consumers are in desperate needs and would pay whatever the price. But nowadays those two aren't the core consumers, just those who permit to the industry to earn money.
The same apply to the adult gaming scene. As I said, around half the creators earn less than $200/month, it's far to be the "I swim in money" dream that you present. And I'm sure that you wouldn't even recognize 99% of them if I would give their pseudonym.
Of course, there's few that have a great life, but over the more than 5,000 creators on Patreon, less than 100 earn $10,000/month or more. And this is before taxes, while in many countries you can't earn this much without a status of freelancer (or even society, it depend on the country) what mean that there's even more cost behind. Plus, of course, most of those who earn the most are in fact a team, what mean that the earning is shared between the members.
In the end there's what ? Around 50 persons who have at least $5,000 that reach their bank account each month ? It's more than the average salary, but far to be a fortune, and even further to be the porn dream you talk about.
Do porn pay ? Yes, if you are the lucky person who win the jackpot. But only in this case, and really few win the jackpot.
A burnout, that is a medical condition, is the strict opposite of your "motivation" reason. You quit because you are so motivated that you burned your life while doing it...
Sorry but, starting the moment when you limited the reasons to starts creating an adult game to the smallest group, it's the the reasons to quit you listed are the niche example.
You said above that you are open minded, yet you clearly wear blinkers and can't imagine that there's other reasons than yours to starts creating a game, and therefore to stop doing it. "Do the game you want, and don't do it for the money", it's the most frequent advice that you'll see members with the green developer badge give.
If they value you poorly, why are you still talking to them ?
My mother cut all bridges with her jerk brother, and my wife cut all bridges with her own mother, to the point that I didn't cared to tell her that her daughter is dead. If someone value you poorly, whoever it is, cut him/her off your life, period.
*sigh* I'll pass on your really poor definition of what a cognitive dissonance is, and address the more interesting point....
You assume that there's necessarily a cognitive dissonance, what once again tell a lot about you and the way you imagine the world around you.
But the truth is that there's absolutely no cognitive dissonance in the fact that the people who know that I'm involved with porn don't changed the way they see me. It's just that they don't care at all about porn. It's something that exist, and if someone want to be involved in it, well, it's his right.
And it's what I was saying. The majority just have no thoughts, neither positive nor negative, regarding porn. By default if asked about it they'll say that it's probably bad, because it's the expected answer. But if they starts to think about it, most of them will come to the conclusion that it's just something that exist, and that there's no more reason to see it as positive or negative, than there's reason to see "walking in the wood" as positive or negative.
*sigh* Everyone hate porn here, yeah. It's why they publish Sade and sell it in library, why there's porn on one of the main TV channel and on none purely dedicated TV channels, and so many other things porn related.
Stop believing that you are open minded, it's false ; at least when it come to porn. Despite your presence on this forum and the games you tried to create, you are convinced that it's something evil, and totally unable to question this thought. To the point that, when someone present you another perspective, that apply at the scale of a whole country, you are totally unable to consider that it can be a reality outside of its person imagination.
And now you are insulting both my intelligence, my friends, coworkers and family... This just because you are totally unable to imagine that there's people out there that don't despite porn as much as you do it deep inside you.
You see,
this is a cognitive dissonance, and at its best. You are on a adult/porn game forum, and you tried to create two adult/porn games but, (not so) deep inside, you are convinced that porn is one of the evilish thing that exist. And, obviously, since you are clearly unable to resolve this dissonance, you totally broke and dive deep in the rabbit hole.
It's not while working on your games that you were trying to escape reality. It's in this thread, where you try to rationalize your situation, while doing your best to picture a world where everyone is like you, that you are doing it. Since you can't live in the world as it is, being as uninhibited regarding porn than mostly everyone else on this forum, you invent the world at your image, and picture all creators as tortured artists who sold their soul for glory and money ; and for some bears or futas.
Seriously ? For you the easiest way to know if someone is truthful is to imagine how he would be if he was truthful ?
God, you are way more damaged than I thought...
This said, well, I can answer this, because I also modded for none porn games. And it happen that those who know both have reacted to both news in the exact same way. But I guess that in fact they really dislike video games, so it's not a proof, they are just lying all along and I'm too idiot to see it.
I already answered something like this, on this forum. It was years ago (2018 I think), but I guess that if someone want to dig he would find it. It's simple, I would support her in the exact same way, whatever if she want to be a dancer or if she want to be a stripper.
I'll go further. I was once asked what would be my reaction if my daughter told me that she is a prostitute. And my answer was that I would buy her a small flat in a good neighborhood, taking a loan if needed, for her to works there. If she want to be a prostitute, well, as long as it's effectively what she want, what can I say ? What can I do except respect her choice ? It's her life and her decision, the least I can do is to ensure that she'll do it in acceptable condition and as much in security as it's possible.
You see, it's this "being open minded", not the "I'm sure that you would not agree" that you had in mind.
As long as he like what he is doing, and don't pass in front of the camera in case it's porn (or at least give me the name of the movie, that I avoid it), why should I care ? Why should I judge him ?
I remember that time, years ago, where my wife and I were dinning in one of my uncle's house. Him, or his wife, forgot to hide the case of the porn movie they probably watched the previous night. And well, what happened was "oops". And that's all. No, "oh my god ! My married uncle know what sex is and looked at porn at least once in his life, what horror" or anything like this, just an "oops, sorry for the mess" situation.
And, a bit more disturbing I agree, friends of my mother are libertines and sometimes have sex party at their home. And I know that my mother sometimes goes to those parties... Well, good for her I guess. I would have preferred to ignore it, but I don't care, why should I ?
We are adults, sex is part of life, and porn is just a part of sex. There's nothing but natural behavior here and really no reason to be ashamed ; "don't tell my mother that I'm policeman, she believe that I play piano in a brothel"...
Well, I guess that it's your case, but please stop projecting yourself on the rest of the world.
It's not a question of writing, it's a question of projection.
You are quitting because you lost all motivation when you discovered that you don't earn enough to compensate the social stigma you feel by creating a porn game. It's your reasons to quit, and it's only your reasons.
When DarthSeduction have to quit because of his health issue, there were none of those reasons involved. Same for the creator of Ethan's Legacy series, who've quit due to a burnout. And what about Veqvil, who quit for what decency make us call "strictly personal reasons" ?
How is it due to one of these reasons when (I don't remember who) had to quit because a hurricane destroyed his house and island ? Same for this one who lost everything in a computer crash. There's also that one who, few months ago, didn't quit on himself but was cancelled by his wife when she discovered that he was, again, cheating on her (in real life, not by doing a game). Or this one who had to stop because he now study oversea and would lost his scholarship if he earn money. Isn't it the strict opposite to your "money" reason ? He quit not because he don't earn enough, but because he earn something.
And if
Dr Amanda and
Ecchi Sensei are living dead games since years, it's explicitly because the guys behind fail (more than once for the first) to make the game mechanisms they want, nothing else.
All these cases aren't few exceptions to your rule, they are just some of the ones for which we know for sure that they absolutely don't fall in your three boxes.
Of course, there's some who quit because they lost their motivation or because they didn't earned enough. There's even one that fall more or less in your social stigma box, since he was kicked out by his girlfriend when she discovered what he was doing on her back. But your three reasons are just three among the many others. And it's not because it's your reasons to quit, that they are the most common ones.
Say the guy who explicitly claimed that players are totally unaware regarding what it mean to be creator, and only see them as liar who want to stole their money. The same guy who more than implicitly said that my friends and family aren't truthful in their feelings toward me, and that I'm too idiot to understand it...
If you don't want to risk to feel provoked, don't insult those you speak to. And if you don't want that people address you behavior, don't confuse a forum with your therapist.
