Why your favorite devs/content creators quit and take 'breaks'

[Fuchsschweif]

Very long ass excuse why devs don't finish a game and start another one, before they also leave that unfinished and start their third one

I am just saying I believe social stigma is one of the main reasons. You may disagree and offer your opinion, which you did by saying it's normal in this day and age to talk about porn

If you got 100.000 € out of your game and are famous on Patreon I'm pretty sure your "social appreciation" won't increase just because you abandon your game and disappoint the people who financed you. You're still the guy who made a tenth of a million with a porn game.

The truth is just that most people aren't made to survive in a creative industry. Doing a project up to 50% is easy, even 70% is easy if you're good at what you're doing. Finishing it is hard, and most people simply don't have the discipline to do it - that's all. It's easier to give in if you're lacking motivation and do something else.

That's why the normal game industry is mainly being dominated by professional companies and indie individuals who actually have the discipline. Porngames however are easy to fund since they leech money from people who are driven by their sex lust, and if you're just some pretty anonymous patreon guy it's easy to just leave.

 

[moskyx]

Sorry, I accidently submitted. This is what I meant to say:

You are right. I should not say 100%, that is much to confident, and is not allowed without any references to sources of proof. Thanks for correcting me.



I am just saying I believe social stigma is one of the main reasons. You may disagree and offer your opinion, which you did by saying it's normal in this day and age to talk about porn. Which, is just a difference in perspective. I believe globally, on average, it is not socially acceptable. Verse you believing that it is(if you meant this on a global case as well). There is no right or wrong, just subjective views.

Also for your point that my engagement seems like I place heavy importance, rather it can be seen the other way around. Most of the other points aren't being argued against, therefore I have less to engage in, in those categories. But for social stigma, there has been more controversy, which is why I have been more engaged. Hopefully this is fair to say.

OK, fair enough. I wasn't implying that what I consider normal is, indeed, globally normal. Of course it's not. I was just using my own personal experience to dismantle your taxative statement. I do firmly believe, though, that in this day and age and at least in most western European countries, the social acceptance of sex-related work in your inner circles shouldn't be a real worry for most devs. People will be either indifferent, curious or even supportive, but mostly respectful. Now, if you're not getting any real benefit from it, then of course some questions will be raised because people will think you were just wasting your time on something unproductive, but not so much different to what they'd say if you were too much focused on creating content for twitch or tiktok that no one will ever watch. Like, get a real job or something. But not because it's dirty or shameful

 

[Deleted member 5732714]

I don't know why you are writing longass paragraphs for absolutely nothing. It is quite apparent that the general reasons for developers abandoning their games are due to a lack of financial resources and/or a diminishing motivation.

However, if you wish to determine the specific circumstances behind a particular instance of abandonment, it would be necessary to conduct further research and investigation into the individual developer in question.

 

[anne O'nymous]

The rest of my family, co-workers in my last job years ago or even the buddies I hanged out in university? I never told them about my sex life, or even if I'm gay.

Why should you ?
While it's relatively natural to talk about sexuality, it's also totally natural to not talk about it. It's something personal, and like everything personal, it's you who decide if you want to talk about it or not, and with who.

We all have our secret garden.
When I was younger, I knew a guy who liked to paint. I learned it by chance because, while it's something totally innocent, he considered it as something really personal. Like most twentish guys, he was talking about sex without much problem. But painting was his thing, the one he wanted to keep for himself, and probably his really close circle.
Well, you it's your sexuality that is part of this secret garden, and as long as it's not by shame (because it would be sad) it's as fine and natural to not talk about it, that it is to talk about it.

And continue to answer angrily to those who ask why you don't have a girlfriend. What the fuck, it's your life, the way you live it is not their concern.

 

[srun123]

I don't know why you are writing longass paragraphs for absolutely nothing. It is quite apparent that the general reasons for developers abandoning their games are due to a lack of financial resources and/or a diminishing motivation.

However, if you wish to determine the specific circumstances behind a particular instance of abandonment, it would be necessary to conduct further research and investigation into the individual developer in question.

I think the general consensus is that money and motivation/passion are the main reasons, that's why there isn't discourse about it. Instead, discussing the possible 3rd common reason is what I and others have been trying to discuss.

 

[srun123]

OK, fair enough. I wasn't implying that what I consider normal is, indeed, globally normal. Of course it's not. I was just using my own personal experience to dismantle your taxative statement. I do firmly believe, though, that in this day and age and at least in most western European countries, the social acceptance of sex-related work in your inner circles shouldn't be a real worry for most devs. People will be either indifferent, curious or even supportive, but mostly respectful. Now, if you're not getting any real benefit from it, then of course some questions will be raised because people will think you were just wasting your time on something unproductive, but not so much different to what they'd say if you were too much focused on creating content for twitch or tiktok that no one will ever watch. Like, get a real job or something. But not because it's dirty or shameful

I'm curious to get your opinion on this.

I agree that people aren't going to be a real worry for devs/creator. I don't think that in western society, if you go out and say I do x y z porn/masturbation whatever, that anything negative will happen to you. But I believe it's because of this:

People in general are going to try to maintain relationships with others. So for example, let's say I tell my friend I create porn games/art for a living.

Here are the influencing factors(at least the ones I can think of at the moment):
- How close of a friend/family are they to you
- How much do they disagree on the topic at hand

Let's use a scale of 1 to 10.
1 being someone who dislikes you, 5 stranger/neutral, 10 best friend
1 being someone who heavily disagrees on the topic, 5 neutral, 10 they fully support the opinion.

Examples:
Your friend is 8/10 close to you. They are a 4/10 on agreeing about your pornography career. They will either like you a bit less, or no change at all.

Your friend is a 8/10 close to you. They are a 1/10 on agreeing about your pornography career. It might be possible to imagine the relationship may cease to exist (Think of a person who is heavily against abortion. This person finds out their best friend heavily supports abortion. There are always to possible things that can happen, the person will give up their beliefs to stay friends, or give up their friend to support their belief. This is exaggerated but hopefully the point stands.)

A stranger 5/10, who is 1/10 on agreeing, will dislike you.
A stranger 5/10, who is 10/10, will like you.

Now I think, what happens is most people may say they support or don't care about what you do in porn/masturbation. But actually they may lower their opinion of you(the intensity varies based on relationship/belief) and keep their thoughts to themselves. My belief is that it's very possible people are just being nice, but their opinion of you in is lowered.

I don't say this is for all situations. Their are obviously great friends and great people who are open-minded and share no judgement. In fact, I guess I would call those people kind. I think kind people are a minority. Not to say that most people can't be kind, just that most people are not overall kind persons which would be open-minded and accepting.

Thought, maybe I'm wrong. Based on my perspective, I think most people are not that nice.

 

[moskyx]

I'm curious to get your opinion on this.

I agree that people aren't going to be a real worry for devs/creator. I don't think that in western society, if you go out and say I do x y z porn/masturbation whatever, that anything negative will happen to you. But I believe it's because of this:

People in general are going to try to maintain relationships with others. So for example, let's say I tell my friend I create porn games/art for a living.

Here are the influencing factors(at least the ones I can think of at the moment):
- How close of a friend/family are they to you
- How much do they disagree on the topic at hand

Let's use a scale of 1 to 10.
1 being someone who dislikes you, 5 stranger/neutral, 10 best friend
1 being someone who heavily disagrees on the topic, 5 neutral, 10 they fully support the opinion.

Examples:
Your friend is 8/10 close to you. They are a 4/10 on agreeing about your pornography career. They will either like you a bit less, or no change at all.

Your friend is a 8/10 close to you. They are a 1/10 on agreeing about your pornography career. It might be possible to imagine the relationship may cease to exist (Think of a person who is heavily against abortion. This person finds out their best friend heavily supports abortion. There are always to possible things that can happen, the person will give up their beliefs to stay friends, or give up their friend to support their belief. This is exaggerated but hopefully the point stands.)

A stranger 5/10, who is 1/10 on agreeing, will dislike you.
A stranger 5/10, who is 10/10, will like you.

Now I think, what happens is most people may say they support or don't care about what you do in porn/masturbation. But actually they may lower their opinion of you(the intensity varies based on relationship/belief) and keep their thoughts to themselves. My belief is that it's very possible people are just being nice, but their opinion of you in is lowered.

I don't say this is for all situations. Their are obviously great friends and great people who are open-minded and share no judgement. In fact, I guess I would call those people kind. I think kind people are a minority. Not to say that most people can't be kind, just that most people are not overall kind persons which would be open-minded and accepting.

Thought, maybe I'm wrong. Based on my perspective, I think most people are not that nice.

Sorry, I don't think I get you. But if someone is going to think worse of me, it's their problem, not mine. Why should I be concerned for someone not liking me as before just because I told them something personal about me? I don't need validation for my tastes and personal choices, that's just who I am. I'm starting to feel very sorry about your personal environment, it feels either it's too conservative and focused on virtue signalling, or you are just too afraid about others' opinion (or too dependant of it). We are not criminals for liking sex and porn.

I agree I'll probably avoid certain topics with people I know and love if I think those topics would lead to arguments or uncomfortable situations. But this won't neccesarily translate into a colder relationship with them: as you said, people tend to be polite and this includes finding common grounds and avoiding stupid confrontations. But if it does, then there are two options: either their position is really intransigent (they are total biggots) or maybe our relationship was not really strong and we didn't have that many common interests. In both cases, it just means that this relationship wasn't worth it and we all are better off keeping it at an acquaintance level. But there's nothing wrong with that. Knowing other people don't accept you may feel like a disappointment but in the end there's not really a big deal, there are enough nice people out there to worry about those who won't like you.

As I said, I still realize this could be a valid reason for some people to quit their hobby. A sad one, indeed. But in more than 8 years I've been around this scene of adult gaming, I only know about 2 cases where this was a decisive reason for quitting- and one of them ended up coming back from retirement. Even if there are more I never heard about, those cases are still overwhelmingly outnumbered by people who just found another hobby, created a family (meaning they were not able to keep investing the time the game needed anymore), realized this is not as a profitable venture as they thought or simply felt unable to carry on a project like these due to their lack of skills. Heck, I've even known more devs dying than quitting due to lack of social acceptance. It's Ok if you want to keep the sociological discussion rolling but I find it's a too unimportant reason to justify all this fuss.

 

[Sharzii シャルジイ]

I remember there was this guy in Chatterbox's team (late dev of 'Lexi'), i don't remember his username. Chatterbox had given all his game files and stuff to this guy to continue the development of Lexi further, since his health had started to deteriorate and he was under a lot of pain. This guy went ahead with the development of Lexi and then all of a sudden after a few months deleted all the files related to Lexi, and gave the reason that he had found Jesus and just ghosted. That was the most absurd reason i'd seen on this site. Poor Chatty had to do game development of Lexi all over again.