VN Ren'Py Wild Cats [April Fool's Special] [LopaPhi]

[Meiri]

I wonder how the harem path will be. Will there be one main girl in the harem, and if the other girls want to join, they can join with her consent? Or will there only be two girls at the same time, and will we call this a harem? LopaPhi

Pretty sure all the girls in the team except Bianca can be part of the Harem or have the option to be.

 

[maxthruster]

I wonder how the harem path will be. Will there be one main girl in the harem, and if the other girls want to join, they can join with her consent? Or will there only be two girls at the same time, and will we call this a harem? LopaPhi

I'm expecting it will be kind of Caribdis-style harem building: guy fools around with a bunch of girls, girls form a tight-knit group, threesomes start happening as bonds increase, eventually they all realize what's going on and just decide they're okay with it.

 

[_Han]

I'm expecting it will be kind of Caribdis-style harem building: guy fools around with a bunch of girls, girls form a tight-knit group, threesomes start happening as bonds increase, eventually they all realize what's going on and just decide they're okay with it.

I really like this style because Caribdis balanced the harem very well in both games and didn't create unnecessary drama.

 

[Krytax123]

I'm expecting it will be kind of Caribdis-style harem building: guy fools around with a bunch of girls, girls form a tight-knit group, threesomes start happening as bonds increase, eventually they all realize what's going on and just decide they're okay with it.

I really like this style because Caribdis balanced the harem very well in both games and didn't create unnecessary drama.

Im the opposite, i love carbdis but his creation of the harem is the worst possible way (and the laziest) you can do it in both avns imo

It boils down to the mc being a cheating scumbag/womanizer and all girls magically dont mind, its 100% stupid and unrealistic, damages the character of the girls too imo as is makes them look kinda desperate and lacking self-respect

MC in eternum is the equivalent of a slut without loyality even when hes a likeable goof

I would like a more up-front harem development, you know, maybe communicate about it ...

 

[_Han]

Im the opposite, i love carbdis but his creation of the harem is the worst possible way (and the laziest) you can do it in both avns imo

It boils down to the mc being a cheating scumbag/womanizer and all girls magically dont mind, its 100% stupid and unrealistic, damages the character of the girls too imo as is makes them look kinda desperate and lacking self-respect

MC in eternum is the equivalent of a slut without loyality even when hes a likeable goof

I would like a more up-front harem development, you know, maybe communicate about it ...

I agree with some of the things you said, but at least there's no unnecessary drama.

In my opinion, the games with the smoothest and best harem systems are Cosy Cafe, My New Family, and Eternum.

 

[Meiri]

Im the opposite, i love carbdis but his creation of the harem is the worst possible way (and the laziest) you can do it in both avns imo

It boils down to the mc being a cheating scumbag/womanizer and all girls magically dont mind, its 100% stupid and unrealistic, damages the character of the girls too imo as is makes them look kinda desperate and lacking self-respect

MC in eternum is the equivalent of a slut without loyality even when hes a likeable goof

I would like a more up-front harem development, you know, maybe communicate about it ...

Well I don't wanna go offtopic about other games and have my message deleted, so back to Wildcats I'll say that it clearly follows anime troupes, so if he decides to make the girls instantly accept the idea of a harem I won't mind it too much.

It's a different story if the game clearly tries to appear realistic in its story, in that case I would expect a good explanation or may be not have a Harem, but that's not the case here.

 

[_Han]

Well I don't wanna go offtopic about other games and have my message deleted, so back to Wildcats I'll say that it clearly follows anime troupes, so if he decides to make the girls instantly accept the idea of a harem I won't mind it too much.

It's a different story if the game clearly tries to appear realistic in its story, in that case I would expect a good explanation or may be not have a Harem, but that's not the case here.

What I'm really afraid of is this: I'm really afraid that LopaPhi will create two separate paths in the game and put the harem separately and relationships with all the other girls individually into different paths.

What scares me even more is that forming a harem group with just 2 or 3 girls and having one-on-one relationships with the other girls would completely ruin the game for me and make me quit, especially since it's one of my favorite games and one I'm most curious about its future.

 

[maxthruster]

Im the opposite, i love carbdis but his creation of the harem is the worst possible way (and the laziest) you can do it in both avns imo

It boils down to the mc being a cheating scumbag/womanizer and all girls magically dont mind, its 100% stupid and unrealistic, damages the character of the girls too imo as is makes them look kinda desperate and lacking self-respect

MC in eternum is the equivalent of a slut without loyality even when hes a likeable goof

I would like a more up-front harem development, you know, maybe communicate about it ...

Yeah, all comes down to how you see it and how it's written. It's obviously less honest, but for me it feels perhaps a touch more realistic. One of the big issues with harem games as a genre is that at some point you need to tackle the logic of fooling around with multiple girls at once: either you tell them up front that you'll only be with them if they're cool with you dating other girls on the side, or you don't tell them until they're already cool with it. You can already kinda guess how the vast majority of people would react to that first one. The second one can be considered less honest, more manipulative, but it can also simply include slow-moving and undefined relationships which take a while to have labels and exclusivity applied to them. Some people play the field even while in more casual relationships just in case they don't pan out, only picking one to commit to once they're sure it's what they want.

To me, at least, one of the biggest sins these games can commit is for the first girl to confess her desire to date the MC and the others immediately go "no way, I want to date him too! We'll all just share!" and that's just that, they all accept it from the jump. For me there has to be some form of impending attachment that keeps them from just going to find someone new, which is what works about the long term reveal: by saving it until the MC has already bonded closely with the girls, they're likely to have two thoughts. First, that they don't want to be without him, and would rather share him with someone than lose him entirely. And second, that he makes them extremely happy and they want their friends to experience that happiness too. It really only works in a great group dynamic where the girls all care about each other, imo, and becomes more awkward to pull off with people who barely know each other.

It's why I believe this game is likely to go in that direction: the girls will doubtlessly form strong bonds as part of the team together, and there will be plenty of opportunities for things like threesomes to get them used to the idea of sharing Johan physically. He's also about as dense as a dying star and does weirdly romantics shit without having any actual intention of doing it, so I think he's very likely to cause some feelings even without trying to, making him a bit less of a man whore. It still probably won't be to everyone's tastes, but neither would him declaring to the first girl who genuinely asks him on a date "I'll do it, but only if I'm still allowed to date other women." You can't make everyone happy, so someone will inevitably be upset with how it's developed.

 

[Krytax123]

Well I don't wanna go offtopic about other games and have my message deleted, so back to Wildcats I'll say that it clearly follows anime troupes, so if he decides to make the girls instantly accept the idea of a harem I won't mind it too much.

It's a different story if the game clearly tries to appear realistic in its story, in that case I would expect a good explanation or may be not have a Harem, but that's not the case here.

Its very different here already simply by the fact that the MC isnt a sex-obsessed pervert and its more like the girls "seducing" him or random occasions so it could play out different.

I dont mind the girls "instantly" accepting the idea of a harem that much, its fine imo but its worse when the MC simply never mentions it and gives all girls the lovey dovey girlfriend experience at the same time without ever mentioning his other girls

Thats why im hoping for communication about the topic (either between mc and the girl(s) or between the girls themself).

 

[Krytax123]

Yeah, all comes down to how you see it and how it's written. It's obviously less honest, but for me it feels perhaps a touch more realistic. One of the big issues with harem games as a genre is that at some point you need to tackle the logic of fooling around with multiple girls at once: either you tell them up front that you'll only be with them if they're cool with you dating other girls on the side, or you don't tell them until they're already cool with it. You can already kinda guess how the vast majority of people would react to that first one. The second one can be considered less honest, more manipulative, but it can also simply include slow-moving and undefined relationships which take a while to have labels and exclusivity applied to them. Some people play the field even while in more casual relationships just in case they don't pan out, only picking one to commit to once they're sure it's what they want.

Haha i mean come on, thats like the worst kind of "slut-excuse" ever, i really cant this "Uhhh we did looots of romantic and intimate stuff with each other but things were "undefined" and we werent exclusive" serious. Its the worst kind of copium excuse to make these avn protagonists likeable and the girls understanding.

I mean just turn the genders around, how much would you "like" a LI who keeps her options open and has like 2-10 other guys on the side because "the relationship wasnt defined yet yo". Not that much i imagine if youre not a ntr lover

Youre right, its not easy to create a harem in a setting like this (without fantasy or apocalypse or smiliar events making it more logical) in a logical way but just ignoring it until everyone is magically happy and so in love with the MC who fucks every girl with two legs is simply not a good solution no matter how much we change terms and "undefine" things lol

To me, at least, one of the biggest sins these games can commit is for the first girl to confess her desire to date the MC and the others immediately go "no way, I want to date him too! We'll all just share!" and that's just that, they all accept it from the jump. For me there has to be some form of impending attachment that keeps them from just going to find someone new, which is what works about the long term reveal: by saving it until the MC has already bonded closely with the girls, they're likely to have two thoughts. First, that they don't want to be without him, and would rather share him with someone than lose him entirely. And second, that he makes them extremely happy and they want their friends to experience that happiness too. It really only works in a great group dynamic where the girls all care about each other, imo, and becomes more awkward to pull off with people who barely know each other.

The problem is as deeper the bond at the time of the unraveling of the cheating, as more it hurts (or it should if feelings are really involved), its a relationship based on lies and dishonesty which is the worst kind of fundament for any kind of relationship but even more in case of a harem (or poly relationships) where communication is utterly important.

It's why I believe this game is likely to go in that direction: the girls will doubtlessly form strong bonds as part of the team together, and there will be plenty of opportunities for things like threesomes to get them used to the idea of sharing Johan physically. He's also about as dense as a dying star and does weirdly romantics shit without having any actual intention of doing it, so I think he's very likely to cause some feelings even without trying to, making him a bit less of a man whore. It still probably won't be to everyone's tastes, but neither would him declaring to the first girl who genuinely asks him on a date "I'll do it, but only if I'm still allowed to date other women." You can't make everyone happy, so someone will inevitably be upset with how it's developed.

The MC being this dense in a social sense is imo kinda the chance in the avn, Lexi could (for example) be the one pushing the harem idea as hes way too clueless himself anyway and his romantic antics are as you said unintended - which i love by the way - this is BY FAR the best virgin MC ever lol, the dev managed to create a virgin who doesnt look/seem pathetic because of it, its very fun lol.

 

[maxthruster]

Haha i mean come on, thats like the worst kind of "slut-excuse" ever, i really cant this "Uhhh we did looots of romantic and intimate stuff with each other but things were "undefined" and we werent exclusive" serious. Its the worst kind of copium excuse to make these avn protagonists likeable and the girls understanding.

I mean just turn the genders around, how much would you "like" a LI who keeps her options open and has like 2-10 other guys on the side because "the relationship wasnt defined yet yo". Not that much i imagine if youre not a ntr lover

Youre right, its not easy to create a harem in a setting like this (without fantasy or apocalypse or smiliar events making it more logical) in a logical way but just ignoring it until everyone is magically happy and so in love with the MC who fucks every girl with two legs is simply not a good solution no matter how much we change terms and "undefine" things lol




The problem is as deeper the bond at the time of the unraveling of the cheating, as more it hurts (or it should if feelings are really involved), its a relationship based on lies and dishonesty which is the worst kind of fundament for any kind of relationship but even more in case of a harem (or poly relationships) where communication is utterly important.



The MC being this dense in a social sense is imo kinda the chance in the avn, Lexi could (for example) be the one pushing the harem idea as hes way too clueless himself anyway and his romantic antics are as you said unintended - which i love by the way - this is BY FAR the best virgin MC ever lol, the dev managed to create a virgin who doesnt look/seem pathetic because of it, its very fun lol.

I mean yeah obviously no harem based on mutual feelings really makes sense because it's a fantasy lol. It's having your cake and eating it too. That's why I specified the group dynamic as being important to it: it doesn't work if the MC just fucks everything that moves, only if they're all a tight-knit group that cares about each other. It's a very specific dynamic. The whole "doing things with multiple people at once in a casual way and eventually catching feelings" thing is actually how a lot of throuple/poly relationships start irl. They usually don't work like a porn game harem, obviously, but human emotions are complex and weird.

It's an unrealistic trope as a whole, but by and large I do think it's one of the more logical ways to approach it. It really all depends on how the characters and their relationships are written. We've only gotten two updates of this game so far, and Johan has barely done anything with any of the girls yet - hell, he's barely talked to a couple of them yet - so it's not exactly easy to predict how it's gonna form. That's just my personal guess based on the team dynamics that will eventually form once everyone's been properly recruited. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'm wrong, but that's my prediction.

 

[Discrepancy]

Well I don't wanna go offtopic about other games and have my message deleted, so back to Wildcats I'll say that it clearly follows anime troupes, so if he decides to make the girls instantly accept the idea of a harem I won't mind it too much.

It's a different story if the game clearly tries to appear realistic in its story, in that case I would expect a good explanation or may be not have a Harem, but that's not the case here.

Funny that we both involved on a discussion on a similar topic but on a different game.
My take in harems isn't popular but I think they suck, they take friction of a story, they take hard decisions out, Why would i reject that Eve date if I prefer Saki when I can get both easy without friction or conflict.
I hope we get to fuck around with them all at the beginning but eventually if we want we can chose to pursuit a more serious relationship with one (maybe near the end to not make a fucked up thing to program and write with lots of routes).
So yeah I hope the story with the girls isn't a frictionless one when all the girls love MC unconditionally with no jealousy at all.

 

[maxthruster]

Funny that we both involved on a discussion on a similar topic but on a different game.
My take in harems isn't popular but I think they suck, they take friction of a story, they take hard decisions out, Why would i reject that Eve date if I prefer Saki when I can get both easy without friction or conflict.
I hope we get to fuck around with them all at the beginning but eventually if we want we can chose to pursuit a more serious relationship with one (maybe near the end to not make a fucked up thing to program and write with lots of routes).
So yeah I hope the story with the girls isn't a frictionless one when all the girls love MC unconditionally with no jealousy at all.

I feel like anyone expecting zero friction from this game is just delusional anyway!

 

[Meiri]

Funny that we both involved on a discussion on a similar topic but on a different game.
My take in harems isn't popular but I think they suck, they take friction of a story, they take hard decisions out, Why would i reject that Eve date if I prefer Saki when I can get both easy without friction or conflict.
I hope we get to fuck around with them all at the beginning but eventually if we want we can chose to pursuit a more serious relationship with one (maybe near the end to not make a fucked up thing to program and write with lots of routes).
So yeah I hope the story with the girls isn't a frictionless one when all the girls love MC unconditionally with no jealousy at all.

In my case, I don't mind a Harem when the story doesn't take itself seriously or is clearly following common anime troupes, but if the game is supposed to be following a "realistic" setting, then I think Harems are just not going to work.
So far WC seems to be very "anime like" and I believe it's confirmed that they wil have an option go with everyone.

It's hard to say because it's very early in the story but I have the feeling they are following the Caribdis approach, but I hope there's a bit of conflict or build up rather than just everyone accepting the harem and no questions asked

 

[CakeSSR]

feels like it's been 10 years

 

[Vitriks]

In my case, I don't mind a Harem when the story doesn't take itself seriously or is clearly following common anime troupes, but if the game is supposed to be following a "realistic" setting, then I think Harems are just not going to work.
So far WC seems to be very "anime like" and I believe it's confirmed that they wil have an option go with everyone.

It's hard to say because it's very early in the story but I have the feeling they are following the Caribdis approach, but I hope there's a bit of conflict or build up rather than just everyone accepting the harem and no questions asked

How about time limited harem? Like till they are in collage they can goof around but in the end he will have to pick one. Also if you think about it, lions do have a harem.

 

[Meiri]

How about time limited harem? Like till they are in collage they can goof around but in the end he will have to pick one. Also if you think about it, lions do have a harem.

If you have to pick one in the end that's not a harem, in that case I think it's better for the dev to just be open about it since the beginning because people don't like to have their expectations broken, same with fetishes most people don't want to bother playing games with fetishes they are not interested.

 

[NoRidemption]

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[Vitriks]

If you have to pick one in the end that's not a harem, in that case I think it's better for the dev to just be open about it since the beginning because people don't like to have their expectations broken, same with fetishes most people don't want to bother playing games with fetishes they are not interested.

Well, judging from upvotes of Krytax123 post, people don't want another "typical" harem. Another option is "open relationship" but I think my solution is better.

1. Everyone accepting the harem is very unrealistic. (unless they are in "open relationship")
2. Hiding relationship is impossible
3. If everyone will be mad at MC and fight, they could reunite for a game but it won't be a harem in the end.

So coming to agreement is a best way solution.

 

[Meiri]

Well, judging from upvotes of Krytax123 post, people don't want another "typical" harem. Another option is "open relationship" but I think my solution is better.

I am just saying what you describe is not a Harem and at least in F95 it says it's planned to be a Harem, not sure if Lopa has said anything officially, I think he did though.

Personally, as long as the story is good enough for me, I don't care if it's Harem or not.