Unreal Engine Wild Life [2024.12.13 Full Build 1] [Adeptus Steve]

[HereandNow2022]

What do you mean forgotten? They made multiple Patreon posts explaining the reason they switched full focus to Sandbox for a while. I'm pretty sure Steve has probably explained it here as well.
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Just reading through this conversation it seems like your disagreement stems from you both have a very different definition of "sandbox".

FWIW, I'm confused when "sandbox" went from meaning building and playing an RPG in an open world into "giving the player access to basically mod tools"

 

[Purple_Heart]

FWIW, I'm confused when "sandbox" went from meaning building and playing an RPG in an open world into "giving the player access to basically mod tools"

Me neither, even the name sandbox comes from children playing in sand. Not just building castles etc but playing in there.
Hell, some game level designs are called sandbox because of it, see the first crysis game for example.

 

[AdeptusSteve]

FWIW, I'm confused when "sandbox" went from meaning building and playing an RPG in an open world into "giving the player access to basically mod tools"

I think "sandbox" can mean both of those things. It isnt mutually exclusive.

 

[Blerhblerb]

Hey, are there any news about some upcoming updates with new scenes? It's a bit difficult to get useful info in this thread among all these posts.

 

[Purple_Heart]

I can't help but to imagine you believe all developers should be able to develop and complete their games

Average dev time for pc is 2 to 4 years. Feel free to do your own research if you don't believe me.

regardless of their team size, the genre of game they're making, the issues they might face, or any obstruction/roadblock that pops up for them.

Wild Life devs aren't unique. All game developers face obstacles in one way or another.

In your mind all EA devs get (2-3 years?) and if the game isn't done by then it's immediately a scam, regardless of how much progress they made and regardless of whether they're consistently updating or not.

If you are a developer and you are releasing your game in early access that means your game is already in a playable state. If you still can't complete it in 2 or 3 years chances are you are either:
a) very very bad at your job thus shouldn't be trusted
b) lying on purpose with no intent of actually finishing the game thus shouldn't be trusted
In BG3's case I knew they'd finish it no matter what because I know the developer, I've supported them before because of their previous amazing game. Can you say the same about WL's dev? I'm all ears if you know of their previous work so I can trust them based on that.

It makes no sense to get caught up on a single one.

And this is why I am only responding to constant replies and not posting an entirely new comment.

I do wish the devs the best as I see the potential, but that doesn't mean i'm blind to issues or feel the need to be in denial about anything related to this game.

This game literally fits the definition of a scam and you are denying it, aren't you?

Fyi we wouldn't be having any of this conversation if wasn't sold as an open world rpg or even if it was close to being finished. I wouldn't even bother writing a single response to all those "best gaemevr 10/10!!!" kinds of posts if game was atleast 90% finished, because I could somewhat justify the spent time as simply bad management. But after seeing how this game is nowhere close to being finished, how its maps are constantly being remade, how they "upgraded" the engine for no logical reason other than show off, how the "game" is probably not even halfway there, I simply can't find any way to justify this extremely bad management. Extremely is an understatement by the way.

And it is an understatement because no one can fuckup this bad and if anyone believes otherwise they should start learning how to develop a 3d game in any modern engine, just so they can see how fucking easy to use modern game engines are. Literally anyone, even someone with 0 knowledge can make a perfectly playable game in a year as long as they are willing to sink the time to learn(keyword: playable, does not necessarily mean good or fun). WL levels of constant bad management, road blocks etc are basically impossible unless done on purpose.

 

[SortaLewd]

Just reading through this conversation it seems like your disagreement stems from you both have a very different definition of "sandbox".

FWIW, I'm confused when "sandbox" went from meaning building and playing an RPG in an open world into "giving the player access to basically mod tools"

Just reading through this conversation it seems like your disagreement stems from you both have a very different definition of "sandbox".

FWIW, I'm confused when "sandbox" went from meaning building and playing an RPG in an open world into "giving the player access to basically mod tools"

My introduction to sandbox was Little Big Planet back in 2008. It had a story mode and then a sandbox which was a blank world and players essentially created whatever they wanted with the tools the devs provided. You start in a blank world and create from there, and then when done you play with the content you made. Same as Wild Life. That's the sandbox I was describing. I mentioned this to someone else and also mentioned Virt-A-Mate(VaM) since it works the same way there too. I don't really think it's different than what you're saying either. The only difference is that there is no "open world", since the world in sandbox starts blank and is filled by the player. Think Minecraft for a more modern/popular example I guess. You can start in a procgen world or a flat world and build literally everything yourself.

 

[SortaLewd]

Average dev time for pc is 2 to 4 years. Feel free to do your own research if you don't believe me.

Sure, that doesn't mean devs are forced to released within that time frame though. Obviously you're free to only buy games that spent time in development for 2-4 years, but even AAA devs take 6+ years on games at times.

Wild Life devs aren't unique. All game developers face obstacles in one way or another.

This is true, but not all developers have access to the same resources, staff, budget, etc. That all plays a factor.

If you are a developer and you are releasing your game in early access that means your game is already in a playable state. If you still can't complete it in 2 or 3 years chances are you are either:
a) very very bad at your job thus shouldn't be trusted
b) lying on purpose with no intent of actually finishing the game thus shouldn't be trusted
In BG3's case I knew they'd finish it no matter what because I know the developer, I've supported them before because of their previous amazing game. Can you say the same about WL's dev? I'm all ears if you know of their previous work so I can trust them based on that.

You know BG3 early access launched in a fairly bare bones state, right? I bought it when it first launched as early access but don't have any clips. You can find some on Youtube if you're curious though. Divinity Original Sins 2 also launched as early access and got the same typical scam claims by people that became impatient over time.

If you want to know WL devs history you'll have to ask Steve. I'm not trying to convince you to like this game or trust the WL developers. I don't care whether you buy the game, recommend it, give it a negative review or whatever. That wasn't really what I was getting at with my replies.

This game literally fits the definition of a scam and you are denying it, aren't you?

Can you tell me how this game fits the definition of a scam? Also, in your own words can you tell me your meaning of the word scam?

People casually throw the word scam around related to gaming so much its lost its meaning.

Fyi we wouldn't be having any of this conversation if wasn't sold as an open world rpg or even if it was close to being finished. I wouldn't even bother writing a single response to all those "best gaemevr 10/10!!!" kinds of posts if game was atleast 90% finished, because I could somewhat justify the spent time as simply bad management. But after seeing how this game is nowhere close to being finished, how its maps are constantly being remade, how they "upgraded" the engine for no logical reason other than show off, how the "game" is probably not even halfway there, I simply can't find any way to justify this extremely bad management. Extremely is an understatement by the way.

Let me get this straight. Just to recap, you believe this game is a scam but you continue to follow it knowing you won't be satisfied with any progress it makes for the sole purpose of being a killjoy for others that are enjoying the ride and have more patience than you when it comes to dealing with bugs and waiting for release?

You don't see anything wrong with that?

"I'm angry so you should be angry too" That's what you contribute to this thread and is what prompted me to respond to you after seeing these kinds of posts from you every now and then when I randomly pop into this thread. It's always the same thing. And like I said, I was that way with Fallen Doll for a bit too and quite frankly it's just being miserable and annoying to others.

People that blindly praise are also a little annoying but if given the option of having to deal with one or the other, I'd much rather prefer someone being chill than somone always being negative trying rain on others' parades because they aren't happy with the game themselves.

 

[furryfuntime21]

OMG. Can you all form a group chat and b*tch in there plz? Literally pages full of people whining, complaining, and just firing back insults at one another. No other thread is this bad. Keep it related to the game. No one CARES. You have your opinions, sweet. No need to then go back and fourth for weeks looking for a "I Gotcha Moment".

 

[SortaLewd]

OMG. Can you all form a group chat and b*tch in there plz? Literally pages full of people whining, complaining, and just firing back insults at one another. No other thread is this bad. Keep it related to the game. No one CARES. You have your opinions, sweet. No need to then go back and fourth for weeks looking for a "I Gotcha Moment".

There are def worse threads but tbh you're right, no point in arguing back and forth. My bad

 

[hakarlman]

You're still missing the point of Sandbox. Sandbox doesn't exist to provide you mechanics that doesn't normally exist otherwise. You absolutely can make them yourself though, you're just refusing to do so hence me saying you're missing the point of Sandbox. It's there to create and share usermade content. You want x,y,z? The Sandbox tools are there for you make such things. You want to be able to summon furniture props and be able to trigger animations? The sandbox tools literally let's you do this, and you can also make custom animations for furniture props to your liking. You want content that can easily be played with one hand? Make it. Again, that's what Sandbox is. You make the content you want.

It's not that I'm advocating for making things difficult, it's that you're entirely missing the point and as a result suggesting things that conflict with how sandbox functions. You're putting the cart before the horse. You want to place a bed, interact with the bed, and get a selection of sex animations for the bed prop but you dont want to be the one to make any of it. That defeats the purpose of sandbox. You make things yourself or download what someone else made. It's not up to the devs to go changing how they create animations because you don't want to use sandbox like anyone else that put effort into learning the tools to make what they want.

Look at Virt-A-Mate(VaM) for example. There's all kinds of interactive scenes you can download and play with, but guess what? Those very scenes with all those interactions, animations, customization options, and whatnot started off as a blank scene and someone had to make and put together everything before the scene became the final product that was published and downloadable. Same concept with Wild Life sandbox.


Also I dont get your point about not being able to sit in chairs. How is that a priority in a wip porn game? What do I lose or gain by being able to or not being able to sit in a chair in the game's current state? The last thing we need is a situation like Star Citizen where devs put a bunch of time into meaningless things that have no current function in the game at the moment.

Bro, in games, when you press E on a chair, the character sits down. You've jumped through 9084390843 hoops to justify not adding a basic, basic feature that exists in most games, lol.

Imagine this: You fire up Wild Life. You start a new sandbox. In Edit Mode you drag out a chair. Then in play mode you walk Maya to the chair, press E on it, and she sits on the chair. That's basic gameplay. You're arguing that basic gameplay has no place in the sandbox? What? lol ... Are you trying to tell me, that if I want Maya to sit in a chair, I have to code it using the event system? Do you know how stupid that sounds? lol

 

[AdeptusSteve]

There are def worse threads

Pheeew, im glad you say that. Was starting to feel bad

 

[kivaba2844]

I just want thinner eyebrows.

 

[limesseur]

OMG. Can you all form a group chat and b*tch in there plz? Literally pages full of people whining, complaining, and just firing back insults at one another. No other thread is this bad. Keep it related to the game. No one CARES. You have your opinions, sweet. No need to then go back and fourth for weeks looking for a "I Gotcha Moment".

There are def worse threads but tbh you're right, no point in arguing back and forth. My bad

I did say it's not worth arguing with those kinds of people and to just ignore them. They don't want to do anything else except try to make people that enjoy the game and want to see it finished feel bad for doing so

Pheeew, im glad you say that. Was starting to feel bad

Yeah, no worries Steve, I've seen some worse threads. Overall, this thread is much more positive than it would seem, I think

 

[Levy88]

OMG. Can you all form a group chat and b*tch in there plz? Literally pages full of people whining, complaining, and just firing back insults at one another. No other thread is this bad. Keep it related to the game. No one CARES. You have your opinions, sweet. No need to then go back and fourth for weeks looking for a "I Gotcha Moment".

There is only one person in this thread whining, and they have been doing so since the dawn of time. To give them attention is to reinvigorate their obsessive hatred of this game. They will also never have a gotcha moment, as that would require them saying something useful.

Please people, just mute the person so when nobody responds to them. They might ask themselves why they spend so much time in a thread for a game they loathe by developers that they hate, instead of enjoying their life.

 

[JRGrass1414]

You need to use either camera path or several transformer blocks. However I would just wait at this point to make something complex like that. We are getting animation sequence system in future update:

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Basically keyframe animation system as far as I understand.

But in theory you could alter single transformer block by grouping it up (so it's master is not the game world);
- in set option value field you write trigger names and EndLocation/StartLocation coordinates and on reached end triggers 2nd changed coordinates. to change coordinates infinitely as many time as you want im not sure. Maybe with delay blocks...
- after this is set you need to have in reached end triggers in order: StartLocation (with coordinates block is at the first reached end)->Set To Start->EndLocation- (with coordinates where block is supposed to travel next)>Move to end->

Interesting. I've played around with independent transformers for now (each with 1 prop), and just programmed them to move the next prop when the initial prop reaches the end. I also made sure to show/hide props so that it looks like one single cube is moving through space when in reality there are 3 cubes with different routes. The downside of this method, however, is that it requires multiple props and events, which can be troublesome for map management and maintenance.

You will need 3 transformers. The first transformer is from A to B (in my case its Transformer_013). The second transformer starts where 1 ended and turn on 90 degrees (in my case its Transformer_014). The third transformer starts where second one ended and goes to C (in my case its Transformer_015).

Here is example
View attachment 3350818

Oh, this is nice. I assume you can just nest transformers almost infinitely, having a single prop go through complex routes as a result. Very cool!

One weird (and pleasant) thing I've noticed, is that transformers can somehow combine route movements and make props travel in unexpected ways. For example, here I have the 3-level transformer setup, and when going from end to start (2nd transformer, after messing with 1st coords), instead of moving directly (with rotation applied), my cube does this wide turn thing. I kinda like it, even though I have no idea how it happened. Shows that there's a lot of hidden potential in these functions, but it's not that easy to uncover.



I think I'll be combining these two methods (independent transformers + nested transformers) to create some interesting prop animations, but I really do hope that the developed animation sequencer will make my life much easier.

 

[Deleted member 4798997]

While the Sandbox is relevant, does anyone have the old Office map that was made to demo the update? the old map list is defunct and it isnt in Liquid's sanctum to my knowledge.

 

[Wlms]

I did say it's not worth arguing with those kinds of people and to just ignore them. They don't want to do anything else except try to make people that enjoy the game and want to see it finished feel bad for doing so


Yeah, no worries Steve, I've seen some worse threads. Overall, this thread is much more positive than it would seem, I think

There is only one person in this thread whining, and they have been doing so since the dawn of time. To give them attention is to reinvigorate their obsessive hatred of this game. They will also never have a gotcha moment, as that would require them saying something useful.

Please people, just mute the person so when nobody responds to them. They might ask themselves why they spend so much time in a thread for a game they loathe by developers that they hate, instead of enjoying their life.

"Honoes ! Someone dare voicing critics toward my dream game ! Quick, silence him !!!
Heretics shall be purged !"

 

[Purple_Heart]

Can you tell me how this game fits the definition of a scam? Also, in your own words can you tell me your meaning of the word scam?

Yeah, how about I don't repeat myself and you go back a few posts and read the literal definition of the word there.

Let me get this straight. Just to recap, you believe this game is a scam but you continue to follow it knowing you won't be satisfied with any progress it makes for the sole purpose of being a killjoy for others that are enjoying the ride and have more patience than you when it comes to dealing with bugs and waiting for release?

You don't see anything wrong with that?

The question is why should I see something wrong with that when others don't see anything wrong with spamming "best game ever" type of comments and proceed to attack others because they dared to criticize the game they liked? Do I need to remind you the "game" isn't even there?

"I'm angry so you should be angry too" That's what you contribute to this thread and is what prompted me to respond to you after seeing these kinds of posts from you every now and then when I randomly pop into this thread. It's always the same thing. And like I said, I was that way with Fallen Doll for a bit too and quite frankly it's just being miserable and annoying to others.

Who said I am "angry"? Holy shit everyone online is pretending to be a psychologist nowadays. I clearly said I am only responding to replies that literally suck dick of developer, don't know which part of it you analyzed with your excellent psychologist skills and came up to conclusion that I must be "angry" when I wrote it.

Well, if you are going to play pretend here is my professional opinion about your posts: you are angry because I criticize a game you like and that's why you are covering behind "b-but muh negativity" excuse. You even deny the game being a scam while it is still not even in a half finished state even after being in development for 7+ years. I'm trying to find the logic in your reasons and failing to find any. Therefore it is clear to me you are not acting based on logic but based on your emotions which is most likely to be anger considering the fact that you keep trying to put my posts in a bad light but create excuses about other posts("muh chill posts") to put them in a good light despite the fact that I clearly stated multiple times I am merely responding to them in the same kind.

It's always the same thing.

Yes, because "best gaem evr!!!", "omg graphix!!!", "10/10 because I fapped to it once" type of comments do not change either. Did I ever tell you that I tend to response in the same kind?

People that blindly praise are also a little annoying but if given the option of having to deal with one or the other, I'd much rather prefer someone being chill

"little annoying" post count: easily more than 100x of my own posts.
My post count in this thread: I honestly don't know, 100? 150?
Yet here you are, only replying to me, because apparently I am "angry" and they are somehow "chill"
Let's face it, you are angry(yes, angry, I too am a psychologist now, just like you) because (according to you)I keep copying and pasting same posts again and again.
However, juding by your actions, you absolutely won't mind if I was to do the exact same thing except praise the game instead of criticizing it.
Does the word hypocrite ring a bell? Because that's what you are.

than somone always being negative trying rain on others' parades

False "parades" deserve everything they get. I am not going to repeat myself anymore than this, think about the reason why I am not replying to anyone who's minding their own business, or why I am not "raining on others' parades" in any other thread but this thread and fallen doll's thread. You go ahead and connect the dots between these two games.

because they aren't happy with the game themselves.

And there is a logical reason for that. Let me put this in a way even a 5yo can understand.
This is advertised as an rpg for years.
I do not see an rpg.
I do not see a reason to be happy with the game.
Compare this to The Day Before.
Advertised as an mmo for years.
Turns out it was not an mmo.
It is now known as a scam by almost everyone on the planet.
The end.

Please people, just mute the person so when nobody responds to them. They might ask themselves why they spend so much time in a thread for a game they loathe by developers that they hate, instead of enjoying their life.

You don't need to post if you have nothing useful to say. Throwing random insults and attacks on a personal level are not useful to anyone despite whatever you might think.
And I bet you'd ban me if this was discord and you were moderator there. All because I criticize a game you like.
Tyrannical, hypocritical behaviors are natural states of your kind it seems...

 

[Wlms]

Yeah, how about I don't repeat myself and you go back a few posts and read the literal definition of the word there.


The question is why should I see something wrong with that when others don't see anything wrong with spamming "best game ever" type of comments and proceed to attack others because they dared to criticize the game they liked? Do I need to remind you the "game" isn't even there?


Who said I am "angry"? Holy shit everyone online is pretending to be a psychologist nowadays. I clearly said I am only responding to replies that literally suck dick of developer, don't know which part of it you analyzed with your excellent psychologist skills and came up to conclusion that I must be "angry" when I wrote it.

Well, if you are going to play pretend here is my professional opinion about your posts: you are angry because I criticize a game you liked and that's why you are covering behind "b-but muh negativity" excuse. You even deny the game being a scam while it is still not even in a half finished state even after being in development for 7+ years. I'm trying to find the logic in your reasons and failing to find any. Therefore it is clear to me you are not acting based on logic but based on your emotions which is most likely to be anger considering the fact that you keep trying to put my posts in a bad light but create excuses about other posts("muh chill posts") to put them in a good light despite the fact that I clearly stated multiple times I am merely responding to them in the same kind.


Yes, because "best gaem evr!!!", "omg graphix!!!", "10/10 because I fapped to it once" type of comments do not change either. Did I ever tell you that I tend to response in the same kind?


"little annoying" post count: easily more than 100x of my own posts.
My post count in this thread: I honestly don't know, 100? 150?
Yet here you are, only replying to me, because apparently I am "angry" and they are somehow "chill"
Let's face it, you are angry because (according to you)I keep copying and pasting same posts again and again.
However, juding by your actions, you absolutely won't mind if I was to do the exact same thing except praise the game instead of criticizing it.
Does the word hypocrite ring a bell? Because that's what you are.


False "parades" deserve everything they get. I am not going to repeat myself anymore than this, think about the reason why I am not replying to anyone who's minding their own business, or why I am not "raining on others' parades" in any other thread but this thread and fallen doll's thread. You go ahead and connect the dots between these two games.


And there is a logical reason for that. Let me put this in a way even a 5yo can understand.
This is advertised as an rpg for years.
I do not see an rpg.
I do not see a reason to be happy with the game.
Compare this to The Day Before.
Advertised as an mmo for years.
Turns out it was not an mmo.
It is now known as a scam by almost everyone on the planet.
The end.

I mean, with that kind of post, the shills will just handwave at you and call you a hater. Bit of a waste of neuron activity imo

 

[Purple_Heart]

Bit of a waste of neuron activity imo

Not really, it still contributes to my english which is obviously not my primary language.