Will censorship come after f95 too??

suprisedcrankyface

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Tools can only apply to unmodified Ren'Py, as well as RPG Maker and Unity games. To some extend they can works with Tyrano Builder and engines like KiriKiri, but there's still a large portion that will have to be played in a way or another.
Of course, even for Godot or Unreal you can use a tool that will hook to the input and output. But you'll have to build it yourself, something that will need more than few days.
Surely they wont 'just' playtest them though, otherwise its open to all kinds of exploitative shenanigans. They must have something even for their existing games - just thinking of the 'hot coffee' GTA blowup with the cut but still in the files content.
 

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Well yesterday in another thread I said the impact on f95zone would probably be minimal I have come to question that statement.

1. The uk is already considering blocking vpns
"birminghammail/news/midlands-news/uk-households-could-face-vpn-32152789" Removed the link but you can google it if ya want

2. the french have put a ruling in place that will cripple vpns making them useless
"techradar/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/a-dangerous-precedent-the-vpn-industry-reacts-to-frances-order-to-block-illegal-streaming-sites"

3. Even cloudfire joins in
"techradar/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/cloudflare-cracks-down-on-uk-piracy-and-vpn-users-are-getting-caught-in-the-crossfire"

So for the uk/eu it is very possible that they will lose access or atleast safe access to f95

as for if f95zone will decide to censor itself I've also kind of changed my opinion from No to Maybe
f95zone already censored l*li and Sh*ta content and removes any mentions or links to sites where you can find it because most countries don't allow it and they don't want to risk becoming targeted because of it.
This means it's not out of the question for them to go after other risky genres if it spreads and goverments start to takeingit seriously.

The only reason it's a maybe and not a sure thing is because piracy is already illegal and f95zone is a hub for it, though they do kind of operate in a grey zone with not hosting it their-selves but through third party links.

So as for will censorship come to f95, the answer is nobody knows but the admin, but people saying it's not a possibly are either very optimist or lying to themselves.
 
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The uk is already considering blocking vpns
well time to download the tor browser

but seriously

the uk blocking vpns is never going to work for one almost all large businesses use vpns to secure there data including the government a full block on vpns would do way to much damage to the economy and be a massive security risk.

even if they just go after the consumer vpns like proton I doubt it would work well as they have no way to enforce such a ban especially for vpns like mullvad where you don't even need an email address and can pay using bitcoin.

even if they did many vpns are open source so people could just set up there own vpns if needed.

as for cloudfire there just going to end up playing a game of wake a mole those sites are like a hydra if you cut one head off 2 more will take its place.

as for what the f95 mods will do as you said its hard to tell what will happen but I find it unlikely that they will censor its self to a large degree we may see some of the more extreme games get taken down but that may happen ether way and as you said f95 is a piracy side so if people want to go after them they will do so ether way it doesn't rely matter what's on the site.

if the UK government or Ofcom want to go after them its going to be because of the fact that they are a porn/piracy site that's not complying with there age verification rules it really dose not matter if they host risky genres at that point.

if the mods do take action they will likely just block access from the uk at witch point people from the uk will likely just use a vpn to access the site.

but then again the mods on this site have always been weird/inconsistent about enforcing site rules especially around rule 7 with some games being allowed on the site and some not so who can say what they will do.

but if I had to guess they are probably ether going to just block access from the uk or take a wait and see approach to see how this will play out as I don't see them adding the age verification needed to satisfy the uk law.

but judging how you can still access the site in the uk its likely going to be the wait and see approach.

even in the worst case and the government manage to block access through vpns people can just use tor to access the site because I seriously doubt that they could get the site taken down considering where its domain is located.
 

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well time to download the tor browser
You're kind of right and wrong imo here's why I say that

The government can make tor illegal to use, and can get access to entry nodes meaning they can tell (and your isp) that you're using tor "There have been reports of some countries, such as China and Russia, actively blocking Tor access through deep packet inspection or other technical methods. In these countries, simply accessing Tor could raise suspicion."

If they make using a vpn illegal and apply similar techniques to china then even getting to mulvad or creating your own vpn will become much harder and ofc dangerous since if you get caught you could be fined or jailed depending on the law. as for mulvad or anyother vpn service we are getting to the point where not only do we need to trust that they won't log your data and protect your privacy but we need to do it in a era where End to End encryption is being attacked and countries are forcing them to either make backdoors or store logs (sometimes both). These are at the end of the day companies and most of them want/need to make money so the more their pressured and lose access to customers the more likely they will be to fold. (plus if all these countries start to apply pressure to whichever countries these vpns are hosted in that could easily be another avenue for them to go after, case in point the USA pressuring countries all over the world not to accept edward snowden)

You're right about cloudfire playing cat and mouse but sadly cloudfire has the advantage between isp's and dns services blocking access and the struggle of new sites to be made and then get a dedicated following and grow and then bam they get blocked and the process starts over again. One really great example of this is L*li Sh*ta sites while they do still exist it's shrinking every year with both sites going down and less games being made. If you look at this site and it's selection of L*li content about half or so is japanese and they've had some movement to get rid of that content aswell after pushes for more regulations, The 1999 bill had a clause about it that got removed, the 2013 had a clause in it that got removed,
bill 156 passed and while not super enforced still exist and can always start to be enforced. Also their banks which have withheld payment to adult creators after saying it's "based on various laws related to financial crime prevention and foreign trade."

It's not rare for countries to follow in the footsteps of other countries after succesful powergrabs especially if like japan they've been on the recieving end of critism for decades.

as for f95zone using the wait and see model I actually 100% agree on that I think they are going to see how strict the Uk's response will be, If it spreads to other parts of the world, If wherever the f95zone servers are becomes forced to shut them down or even worst work with authorites to track down sam.

but I disagree with your saying " f95 is a piracy side so if people want to go after them they will do so ether way it doesn't rely matter what's on the site. " only because of my previous point f95zone clearly believes that it does matter what's on the site as they have banned certain content already. and that f95zone is currently using the fact that it doesn't host the piracy content itself but third parties do as a defense so that copyright holders. "This site provides links to other sites/services, and does not store any files "

The problem with blocking/banning is sadly it does work sort of... "Over the past decade, more than 60 countries have enacted site-blocking laws that require internet providers to disable access to pirate websites. These policies have been effective. In the United Kingdom, Portugal, and Australia, when piracy sites were blocked, traffic to those sites decreased substantially, by 89, 70 and 69 percent respectively, according to a 2024 study released by the Digital Citizens Alliance." and those countries didn't even ban vpns yet XD

the united states is probably the next to join those countries with it's own 2025 anti piracy bill, and with a drop of up to 70% of users it's possible that this site will die. With this being both porn and piracy and the usa+others are already considering more extreme bans on both it's highly likely that the target on f95zones back may get to big to handle.
 

Naoe Yamato

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If you want to know what will happen, keep a close eye in the United States. What other countries do will affect them but if the US breaks, the internet breaks. Companies will always want to apply these censorship everywhere to make their lives easier, but they don't feel safe doing it without the US giving it the go ahead.

The good news: Trump is the president. Even if you hate him, the guy and his VP are diametrically opposed to the authoritarianism of the EU. These actions will inflate the American pride on their constitution and civil liberties. You can expect some legislation addressing some of these topics, but what the UK is doing with the internet is now directly linked to their crack down of dissent.

People are mixing two different issues. No one will ban VPNs for the sake of stopping piracy. If you are getting your VPN banned in your country, piracy is the least of your problems. Someone is trying to control a volcanic eruption by silencing people.

This situation will create the opposite of what these wannabe tyrants want. People will increasingly become aware and resentful of their insane speech restrictions, this will escalate things fast. It's probably an amazing thing for the future of the world, but it will suck short term.(if they let us goon in peace, we would take much longer to become aware of their malice). The UK is INSANE. Their number one priority should be to avoid rocking the boat. Now they poked young, mostly right wing men and those men will start to ask questions about why their government decided to force them to show their faces to verify anything.

This is Gamergate on steroids, but it exposes the complete erosion of civil liberties in the Western world instead of exposing unethical journalism. That's my optimistic view.

As for F95, if the US falls (crackdown on VPNs), F95 falls. At that time, I will be too busy worrying about the future of the world to think about piracy.
 
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Well yesterday in another thread I said the impact on f95zone would probably be minimal I have come to question that statement.

1. The uk is already considering blocking vpns
"birminghammail/news/midlands-news/uk-households-could-face-vpn-32152789" Removed the link but you can google it if ya want

2. the french have put a ruling in place that will cripple vpns making them useless
"techradar/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/a-dangerous-precedent-the-vpn-industry-reacts-to-frances-order-to-block-illegal-streaming-sites"

3. Even cloudfire joins in
"techradar/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/cloudflare-cracks-down-on-uk-piracy-and-vpn-users-are-getting-caught-in-the-crossfire"

So for the uk/eu it is very possible that they will lose access or atleast safe access to f95

as for if f95zone will decide to censor itself I've also kind of changed my opinion from No to Maybe
f95zone already censored l*li and Sh*ta content and removes any mentions or links to sites where you can find it because most countries don't allow it and they don't want to risk becoming targeted because of it.
This means it's not out of the question for them to go after other risky genres if it spreads and goverments start to takeingit seriously.

The only reason it's a maybe and not a sure thing is because piracy is already illegal and f95zone is a hub for it, though they do kind of operate in a grey zone with not hosting it their-selves but through third party links.

So as for will censorship come to f95, the answer is nobody knows but the admin, but people saying it's not a possibly are either very optimist or lying to themselves.
So we'll have to adopt data hoarding principles and torrents.

Also it's a matter of time but windows users will eventually have to switch to linux too (if you wanna keep full autonomy over your PC), due to how much AI it'll be crammed into the future and how they seem to be plotting for cloud storage, and some updates ruining hardrives and what not.

It already happened lol, Mahou Touki Frostia doesnt have it's one thread here for a reason. But general rule of thumb we get access to practically every H stuff here, way way before GoG releases, btw some of the steam removed unrated games will probably be released in GoG far faster now which it's good, DRM free service for the win.