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It's not AI. He's just very picky.
On a different note, I really loved the new animations and the latest update.
Also, I had no idea that it was the guy from The Vamp. That definitely adds a whole new layer to the game.
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On a different note, I really loved the new animations and the latest update.
Also, I had no idea that it was the guy from The Vamp. That definitely adds a whole new layer to the game.
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who cares? lolView attachment 4132916
Man, this looks familiar...
I posted that back in May of 2023. Later in July that same year, the dev posted this (my own emphasis added)...
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What do we have now being posted in July 2024, a full year later? The 'new' image just looks like more generative AI slop, and it includes all of the same problems the old one did. The background is a fuzzy mess, the characters are in the exact same hand-hiding poses, and the blonde one in front who is supposed to be the Elizabeth still lacks her distinctive twin-tails (or Ashley's pigtails). If anything it got worse, cause now this new Frankenbeth has this weird bit of flesh colored something or other popping out from under her hair. Problem is, it doesn't look like part of the side of her head.
So is this just more sloppy AI, just another re-roll of the text-prompt dice, or did someone digitally trace over the original bad AI (or use it as a source image for another AI dice roll) and somehow create an even worse version with the freakish skeletal remains that came before? Out of curiosity I checked, and the version used in the announcement image is used in-game and has replaced the older AI image. So yes, even if this was done by a human artist with creative intention, they fucked up Elizabeth's hair yet again.
Funnily enough this image was also accompanied by a voice-over section that subtly didn't match the on-screen dialogue in various ways. Saying "going" when the text is "gonna", saying "it's" when the text is "it is", and inserting an unwritten "the" into "You have to givetheothers a chance"; making 3/10 lines of dialogue in that section alone inaccurate and in need of revision. These mistakes aren't just limited to this one section either, I caught multiple mistakes whenever I did stop to listen in other parts as well. Basically whenever the spoken dialogue is a bit awkward or stilted, the voice performers deliver a more natural sounding version rather than sticking to the text strictly as written.
I didn't check much further past this image, since this game still refuses to have a 'skip unseen text' option, and I'm just not clicking though any more mountains of text. Suffice to say, none of this is particularly great...
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Just double checking some stuff, and it turns out the above isn't the only slapdash AI image replacement that looks suspiciously like just more AI. The sprite for the teacher has as well, but again, it's just as bad as the prior version; plus it is bad in new and exciting ways as well.
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Whoever did the original character sprites for the girls at least had some understanding of how clothes on people work. They shared a consist style and uniform, making it visually believable that these characters all coexisted within the same fiction. This updated teacher sprite opts for soft airbrush shading, very frequently indicative of generative AI, but regardless is still a complete departure from the other girl's sharp and hard edged animation style shading. The skirt is a weird and mostly nonsensical amalgamation of colors and patterns, with the edges of the pleats clearly disappearing in some spots. The collar and necktie are a mess of competing shapes that don't know how to properly join or overlap naturally. The front seam of the red cardigan has zero interest in following the contours of this character's massive breasts, instead represented as a nearly straight line down the middle despite her being posed in three-quarters view. The entire pose is a complete plastering over of the same one used by the original image, including the hiding of both hands behind the back.
Also keep in mind that this is supposed to be a depiction of the same character as the one in the 'v0.92' update banner, the one talking to twin-tailless Frankenbeth. Again, this is either just another generative AI re-roll using the original image as a source, or a person so slavishly tracing over the AI original that they've recreated most of its problems while introducing some of their own.
This isn't even the end of it either, as two other generative AI images (headshot of Ashley as a store clerk, and a below the waist upward shot of her behind standing at a reception desk in her school uniform) that have also been replaced with poor tracing or source recycled AI.
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No. Generative AI doesn't understand shit. That's the problem. There is no intelligence. No comprehension. No intent. There is only linear math, and pattern recreation. That's why the earlier human created sprites for the girls show the seams of their cardigans flowing with the contours of their chest, and why the AI image of the teacher does not. The generative AI doesn't understand or comprehend shapes, volume, form, let alone human anatomy. All it does is recreate patterns, and often with obvious visual mistakes. It's the same reason why your earlier background images had other strange and unnatural artifacts in them, like multiple suns or grotesque melted swans.
"But officer, my business only works if I steal from the business around me! I have to do it, or else my business can't work! How can that be wrong!? I'm just doing what I need to for my business to succeed!"
If your business model can't work without cheating, then your business model doesn't work. Full stop. Difficulty is not a reasonable excuse. Also, literally nobody is forcing you to waste funds on animation when your static artwork is an inconsistent mess, or for voice work for a script that you cannot even be bothered to edit. Voice work and animation absolutely are not a baseline necessity for a choose-your-own-adventure visual novel built in Ren'Py. They're higher level challenges that you should only attempt if you've got a solid foundation to work from, and you're already experienced or skilled enough to do it yourself (or financially successful enough to afford paying people who are). The site is awash in far more successful games that don't have either. This here very much sounds like a self-induced problem.
Then you fundamentally don't understand remedial English or basic logic. If you weren't using AI, I wouldn't have grounds to complain about it. Pretty simple, a shame you can't grasp that. It's the fact that you had a fake ass mea culpa where you disavowed the further usage of generative AI, followed by the continued usage of generative AI? Yeah, that's bullshit, and that's going to attract my attention. If you don't like getting called out for backsliding, maybe don't backslide? That's a you problem.
If your art style is just all over the place, that's a different (but still valid) criticism. That your spoken audio frequently just does not match the text as written and you haven't bothered to go back and fix it? All of that is entirely outside of the generative AI usage, and are problems that exist on their own. Also not for nothing, but I did actually praise another artist for their shoddy (but very much obviously original) artwork a few days ago. Why? Because they were honest, painfully honest, in displaying that level of amateur work. It wasn't good by any stretch, but I can respect having the wherewithal to honestly put out bad MS Paint doodles and own it (especially in the face of coping out to easy generative AI).
As far as I'm concerned, everyone using generative AI is a fraud and a hack. But if it's clearly labeled as such, I don't go out of my way to shit all over them (not anymore at least, since there is an ever increasing cavalcade of slop now). Your game however pre-dated the current generative AI craze and had started with traditional human created art assets, then went to generative AI, then hurriedly tried to course-correct in response to backlash, and has seemingly fallen back into using generative AI but is now trying to be more subtle about it. It's that last part, the part where you are being dishonest, that really sticks in my craw.
You are a demonstrable liar, so I don't really care if my criticism hurts your feelings. Want encouragement? Do the fucking work instead of passing it off to a soulless linear-math black-box fueled by worldwide art-theft and unsustainable CO2/H20/electricity usage, pushed by silicon valley tech-bros for the benefit of their venture capitalist ghoul paymasters. Want me to ignore your slop? Be honest that you are a slop peddler and get your game properly tagged.
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what? read your essay? all i saw was slop that's worse than any AI has come up with.Judging by your reply, you did.
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Funny, I didn't know they let the Twitter bots here on F95.
Do you have a bussy in bio you want me to see?
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obvious troll is obvious, move on loser
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This isn't even the end of it either, as two other generative AI images (headshot of Ashley as a store clerk, and a below the waist upward shot of her behind standing at a reception desk in her school uniform) that have also been replaced with poor tracing or source recycled AI.
Man... her hair redone feels so wrong. Even funnier when the AI depicts twintails correctly and the remake made her twintails looks like a combination of a ponytail and half-twin tail.[/spoiler]
This isn't even the end of it either, as two other generative AI images (headshot of Ashley as a store clerk, and a below the waist upward shot of her behind standing at a reception desk in her school uniform) that have also been replaced with poor tracing or source recycled AI.
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Man... her hair redone feels so wrong. Even funnier when the AI depicts twintails correctly and the remake made her twintails looks like a combination of a ponytail and half-twin tail.[/spoiler]
Ported the old patch to the latest version, it's still missing the "Take a shower with her" scene because that one didn't exist in the version I got the patch data from, so the script lines and images aren't there for me to get them. Went ahead and just packed up a patched version of the full game, because the dev archived everything in the latest build so I had to extract it all to get to the script, so this was easier.
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