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I'm having the same problem with my Mac. I couldn't open either of the two versions (0.1 and 0.1.1). I first opened the zip file and then tried the procedure indicated to open the game, but I get the same error message Kalimbaba mentioned, and it's not the usual problem with apps not downloaded from the App Store (which I can always fix).

Any help please
Thanks for letting me know - if more than one of you is getting the same error, then it’s definitely an issue with the current Mac build.
I’m going to look into it right away and try to get a working version out as soon as possible. I’ll update the thread as soon as there’s a fix.
 

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Thanks for letting me know - if more than one of you is getting the same error, then it’s definitely an issue with the current Mac build.
I’m going to look into it right away and try to get a working version out as soon as possible. I’ll update the thread as soon as there’s a fix.
I’ve just uploaded a fresh Mac build and added clear step-by-step instructions in the Installation section of the thread.
If the game still doesn’t open after following those steps, please let me know and I’ll do my best to help you out.
 

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I’ve just uploaded a fresh Mac build and added clear step-by-step instructions in the Installation section of the thread.
If the game still doesn’t open after following those steps, please let me know and I’ll do my best to help you out.
Works perfectly, thank you so much!
Great game, good luck with the upcoming updates!
 
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Mary Jane. There isn't anyone that he has loved more than her. Now if you would've asked "Who was his first love?" That'd have been a better question because not many people know the name Betty Brant.
You are completelly wrong - just like most of the people who pretend to be huge fans of Spider-Man. Peter's biggest love is called Gwen Stacy and he was literally ready to leave his hero life as Spider-Man and go somewhere else to live normal life with her but that never happened because of her tragic death. Even after her death,Peter never was able to forget her,not even when he was with Mary Jane. Peter keep visiting Gwen's grave every year even when been in relatonship with MJ. He never was able to love MJ or anyone else the same way as Gwen who was his first and biggest love. Yes,eventually he did marry Mary Jane and he has more story with her since she is his second biggest love but still he never was able to love her the same way as Gwen Stacy.
I told you that a lot of the people don't know the real answer to that question and that's why i decide to ask and see if you know it, because you claim to be a massive fan but it's seems like just like everyone else you don't know the real answer. ;)

Mary Jane and Peter did have a lot of breaks, they even get married at some point and later divorced when MJ leave Peter for making career as a actress in Holywood while Peter did stay at his hometown to keep been Spider-Man and later got the papers from MJ for divorce. Later Peter make a deal with Mephisto to save Aunt May's life and erased his marriage with MJ from existence but in the animated Spider-Man: Into the spider-verse MJ and Peter get back together after they divorced.
Before MJ and Peter Parker married, Doc OC also managed to take Peter's body before dying in the prison and then he was the Superior Spider-Man while Peter's soul was trying to find how to get his body back from Doc Oc who was now not only The Superior Spider-Man but also having Mary Jane as his - this happened in the comics.
 
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You are completelly wrong - just like most of the people who pretend to be huge fans of Spider-Man. Peter's biggest love is called Gwen Stacy and he was literally ready to leave his hero life as Spider-Man and go somewhere else to live normal life with her but that never happened because of her tragic death. Even after her death,Peter never was able to forget her,not even when he was with Mary Jane. Peter keep visiting Gwen's grave every year even when been in relatonship with MJ. He never was able to love MJ or anyone else the same way as Gwen who was his first and biggest love. Yes,eventually he did marry Mary Jane and he has more story with her since she is his second biggest love but still he never was able to love her the same way as Gwen Stacy.
I told you that a lot of the people don't know the real answer to that question and that's why i decide to ask and see if you know it, because you claim to be a massive fan but it's seems like just like everyone else you don't know the real answer. ;)

Mary Jane and Peter did have a lot of breaks, they even get married at some point and later divorced when MJ leave Peter for making career as a actress in Holywood while Peter did stay at his hometown to keep been Spider-Man and later got the papers from MJ for divorce. Later Peter make a deal with Mephisto to save Aunt May's life and erased his marriage with MJ from existence but in the animated Spider-Man: Into the spider-verse MJ and Peter get back together after they divorced.
Before MJ and Peter Parker married, Doc OC also managed to take Peter's body before dying in the prison and then he was the Superior Spider-Man while Peter's soul was trying to find how to get his body back from Doc Oc who was now not only The Superior Spider-Man but also having Mary Jane as his - this happened in the comics.

Yeah...no. I'm not wrong. I'm actually kinda shocked that someone who is trying to waltz around pretending to be the formative expert on the wall crawler is so off the mark that it's kinda sad and hilarious at the same time.

Gwen was Peter's FIRST love, sure. But not his "TRUE" love. Stan Lee, Gerry Conway (the guy who killed her off and said "Gwen wasn't the right girl for Peter. MJ is. That's why Gwen died--to move Peter towards growing up."), Dan Slott, J. Michael Straczynski have all listed MJ as the penultimate love of Peter's life. And those 4 names combined not only created Spider-Man,Gwen, and MJ, but have written the vast majority of the book ABOUT him. So you're saying that you understand the character more than those that have ACTUALLY written him? :rolleyes:

I think what you're trying to say is "because her death weighed so heavily on him that it changed the trajectory of his entire existence" which you would be 100% correct to say; because it did. However, not how you think it did.

Gwen's death was the FIRST death since he got his powers as Spider-Man AND it was indirectly/directly responsible FOR it. Sure, he visits her grave, because it's his way of letting her know, and keeping himself grounded and honest, to his promise to be better and to have responsibility for his powers and actions. She is his greatest failure as a man and superhero. But visiting the grave doesn't imply that the love for her was greater, because if that is the case, then how do you explain him visiting Uncle Ben's grave? He has a "never ending, irreplaceable romantic love for his Uncle, too? Come on, now...:rolleyes:

So before you go around and show off your homemade web shooters that fire silly string better than any commercially produced web shooters in the past, and pretend that you are the one stop information block of Spider-Man, let's try to keep the "I knew you weren't a massive fan" gatekeeping nonsense to yourself. Because you are not correct nor do you even have any room to puff your chest out and stand in a superhero pose when it comes to this drivel you just spouted out.
 
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Yeah...no. I'm not wrong. I'm actually kinda shocked that someone who is trying to waltz around pretending to be the formative expert on the wall crawler is so off the mark that it's kinda sad and hilarious at the same time.

Gwen was Peter's FIRST love, sure. But not his "TRUE" love. Stan Lee, Gerry Conway (the guy who killed her off and said "Gwen wasn't the right girl for Peter. MJ is. That's why Gwen died--to move Peter towards growing up."), Dan Slott, J. Michael Straczynski have all listed MJ as the penultimate love of Peter's life. And those 4 names combined not only created Spider-Man,Gwen, and MJ, but have written the vast majority of the book ABOUT him. So you're saying that you understand the character more than those that have ACTUALLY written him? :rolleyes:

I think what you're trying to say is "because her death weighed so heavily on him that it changed the trajectory of his entire existence" which you would be 100% correct to say; because it did. However, not how you think it did.

Gwen's death was the FIRST death since he got his powers as Spider-Man AND it was indirectly/directly responsible FOR it. Sure, he visits her grave, because it's his way of letting her know, and keeping himself grounded and honest, to his promise to be better and to have responsibility for his powers and actions. She is his greatest failure as a man and superhero. But visiting the grave doesn't imply that the love for her was greater, because if that is the case, then how do you explain him visiting Uncle Ben's grave? He has a "never ending, irreplaceable romantic love for his Uncle, too? Come on, now...:rolleyes:

So before you go around and show off your homemade web shooters that fire silly string better than any commercially produced web shooters in the past, and pretend that you are the one stop information block of Spider-Man, let's try to keep the "I knew you weren't a massive fan" gatekeeping nonsense to yourself. Because you are not correct nor do you even have any room to puff your chest out and stand in a superhero pose when it comes to this drivel you just spouted out.
You should check again - Gwen is Peter's biggest and greatest love. They had a very deep connection and even plans to get married. While MJ is significant love interest of Peter and their realtionship is long-lasting, Gwen's story and relationship with Peter is seen as the most impactful loss for Peter in the comics. Gwen was the first and biggest love with who Peter made serious plans to marry. Their relationship was extremely passionate which made her death at the hands of Green Goblin one of the most significant and heartbreaking moments in Spider-Man's history. Her death had a lasting impact on Peter and influenced his actions and decisions for years to come because of which he was never able to love MJ the same way. Both MJ and Gwen are considered major love interests for Peter but the nature of their relationships differs. While his relationship with MJ is a long-term, it's Gwen's tragic death that cemented her place in his history as a defining love.
Peter was never able to love MJ the same way as Gwen Stacy because of the tragic circumstances surrounding Gwen's death and the unique character of their relationship, which was defined by shared struggles,sacrifices of being in a superhero world and sense of destiny. Mary Jane represented a different kind of connection - one that evolved from a different dynamics and became the foundation for Peter's future. Gwen's tragic death at the hands of Green Goblin was a formative event for Peter and she became a symbol of his personal tragedy and a reminder of the dangers of his double life. Mary Jane offered Peter a different kind of love,one based on a more grounded and mature connection. Her relationship with Peter was built on a foundation of shared understanding and a sense of partnership, making her a source of hope for the future. Peter did love both but in a different way. Gwen was his biggest love which formed his character after dying of the hands of his biggest rival Green Goblin. Mary Jane and Peter did start comunicate in school and date 2 years after Gwen's death - their realtionship was complex because of a lot of stuff,they did break and get together a lot of times because they had plenty of problems - MJ wants to make a career as a actress,Peter want to keep been superhero and help people and no one made compromises. Knowing how he did lost his first and biggest love Gwen,Peter didn't want to risk losing Mary Jane the same way - he wanted to prevent and not let that happen ever again and here it does show how Gwen's death changed him forever and formed his character in the future. MJ is the one whose made for Peter to have future with after the tragic death of his biggest love Gwen. That's why MJ is in every story of Spider-Man but the one who Peter will always love more then anything is Gwen. If Gwen didn't die and he is asked who he would choose,he will always choose Gwen but unfortunatelly she dies and made Peter the man he is.
 
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But visiting the grave doesn't imply that the love for her was greater, because if that is the case, then how do you explain him visiting Uncle Ben's grave? He has a "never ending, irreplaceable romantic love for his Uncle, too? Come on, now...:rolleyes:
You can't compare Uncle Ben to Gwen - this are two different kind of loves. Ben is parent figure to Peter - the father he never has. This is completelly different kind of love while Gwen is the biggest love of his heart - his soulmate,the one with which he would love to spend his life. Learn how to make difference between that. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I’ve just uploaded a fresh Mac build and added clear step-by-step instructions in the Installation section of the thread.
If the game still doesn’t open after following those steps, please let me know and I’ll do my best to help you out.
It works now, thanks for taking the time to look it up and hope that'll help for the rest!
 
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You should check again -

I did:

You have all this word salad because of what YOU think it all means, but you completely ignore The people that created the character, knew the story they were telling and who was going to be the ultimate love interest, but someone sitting at home has this mindset of "No. It's Gwen. It HAS to be Gwen!" Lemme guess, you wrote a paper on it in high school and your teacher gave you a "bless your heart" and a pat on the head and you took that as gospel and ran with it up to this point and now you're toting it around like "Here is my receipt for my thoughts" and it's stapled to your chest as we speak? Get real dude.

There isn't a SINGLE PERSON that follows Spider-Man that will agree with you. Not a single one. EVERYONE knows it's MJ. You want to sit on this throne of "HA! GOT 'IM!" because you THINK you're right. Let me ask you something: What shape is Earth where you have these thoughts? Because it for damn sure can't be round. You can hem and haw all you want, but you are ultimately wrong. As wrong as your inability to spell "Completely" and "Unfortunately". Everything you're mentioning is UP TO the point of her death and then you just freeze time and forget everything that was written after it.

Even when you Google that shit it mentions "There is no single consensus" and what you're living in is the ALTERNATE REALITY that the House of M stated that Gwen was the "ultimate soulmate selection" and you're taking that as canon. Did you read the part where I said "ALTERNATE REALITY"? Which is where you are currently living right now? Or perhaps you'd like to talk about the CBR community and how 67.3% of people state that it's MJ, 45.5% state that it's FELICIA HARDY and THEN 32.7% state that it's Gwen Stacy?

Or you could scroll down and see the question "Who is Spider-Man's best love interest?" and the first 3 words that pop up are: Mary Jane Watson?

Or perhaps you'd like to waltz on over to Fandom.com and see that Gwen is #2 and MJ is #1? Where they mention "Gwen was Peter's first true love." Not ONLY, but FIRST. and then they mention "Mary Jane Watson is the love of Peter's life." both quote are the first sentence written for each one.

Or let's take a stroll towards aminoapps.com that says "I believe Peter may have married Gwen Stacy if she lived, but Mary Jane is always meant to be with Peter Parker because their love only comes on(ce) in a millennia. Gwen fell in love with Peter Parker, and MJ fell in love with Peter initially but also fell in love with Spider-Man."

Or how about we take a trip and talk about Romita Sr. and Conway talking about the ASM #121-122? "John Romita Sr. wanted a character death to shake things up and ultimately agreed with Conway that Gwen was the most disposable and least essential but also emotionally resonant for the surprise/shock/stunt to work. And it's also clear, if you read the actual 2 issues the the emotional center of that story is the epilogue with Mary Jane." The fact that it has to be stated as "First true love" with the word "first" being put in there means that there was another one.

The way you phrase it is that Peter is just with MJ "because she's the next best thing" and constantly mopes for Gwen, when that isn't the case at all. He always looks downtrodden because he failed her and HE killed her. Think about the gravity of that situation for a minute: You dive off a bridge to save someone, and the whiplash effect snaps her neck and kills her. What if you had just let her fall in the water? She may have gotten HURT, sure, but there was no promise that what he was doing was going to kill her. It was a freak accident. So her DEATH plagues his mind, not his love for her. She. Died. By. His. Hand. Period. THAT is what haunts him. THAT is what keeps him guilty about it every time he thinks about her and how he killed her. That is the type of person that he is and he isn't over on the sidelines pouting "I'll settle for MJ because my first love is dead." That mentality does a disservice to Peter, MJ, AND Gwen. Not to mention EVERYONE remembers the first person they loved and the person they originally gave their heart to. That person FOREVER changes who they are and what they go through on a day-to-day basis from that point forward. Living in this fantasy world where you omit the word "first" doesn't make you right, it makes you delusional and cutting out letters in a newspaper to craft your own story from the pages of something else.

Tragic loss does not equate to romantic love, and that is what you're trying to do. You're trying to inflate his pain and trauma of her death as "she was going to be with him forever" and completely forgetting that there are people that created the damn story that have said otherwise. They found her to be "disposable". How can someone be his "ONLY love" if the writers who created the characters treated her as "disposable"?

Sure. She may have been getting to that point, but she died. She was no longer around. So we're left to contemplate. I'm not dismissing that you're saying that he loved and even on the cover of 122 he is shown shouting "YOU KILLED THE WOMAN I LOVE!" because At. That. Time. she was the ONLY love he knew. Don't forget that Gwen was with Harry first. So it took time for them to develop a relationship. It's not like Gwen was all goo-goo for him when they finally started dating. But it was his FIRST true love, not ONLY. Those are 2 different words and 2 different outcomes. If Gwen was truly his "one true love" answer me this: Why has NO other writer come forward in a segment of an alternate reality of Spider-Man where Gwen is written in instead of MJ? Why doesn't the current Ultimate Spider-Man run have him married to her with 2 kids instead of Mary Jane? Why does "Renew your vows" not contain Gwen? Why does every single run of Spider-Man after Amazing Spider-Man issue #122 not contain a single spot where Peter is in a relationship with her? Why doesn't a single Spider-Gwen book contain her in a relationship with Peter? Why is Gwen from an alternate universe with Miles Morales rather than her?

I've proven my points. I've brought receipts. Bring more than your weak standing and your lack of proof of anything other than crossing your arms like a toddler, sticking out your bottom lip, pouting, and just saying the same rehearsed lines over and over again.
 

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I did:

You have all this word salad because of what YOU think it all means, but you completely ignore The people that created the character, knew the story they were telling and who was going to be the ultimate love interest, but someone sitting at home has this mindset of "No. It's Gwen. It HAS to be Gwen!" Lemme guess, you wrote a paper on it in high school and your teacher gave you a "bless your heart" and a pat on the head and you took that as gospel and ran with it up to this point and now you're toting it around like "Here is my receipt for my thoughts" and it's stapled to your chest as we speak? Get real dude.

There isn't a SINGLE PERSON that follows Spider-Man that will agree with you. Not a single one. EVERYONE knows it's MJ. You want to sit on this throne of "HA! GOT 'IM!" because you THINK you're right. Let me ask you something: What shape is Earth where you have these thoughts? Because it for damn sure can't be round. You can hem and haw all you want, but you are ultimately wrong. As wrong as your inability to spell "Completely" and "Unfortunately". Everything you're mentioning is UP TO the point of her death and then you just freeze time and forget everything that was written after it.

Even when you Google that shit it mentions "There is no single consensus" and what you're living in is the ALTERNATE REALITY that the House of M stated that Gwen was the "ultimate soulmate selection" and you're taking that as canon. Did you read the part where I said "ALTERNATE REALITY"? Which is where you are currently living right now? Or perhaps you'd like to talk about the CBR community and how 67.3% of people state that it's MJ, 45.5% state that it's FELICIA HARDY and THEN 32.7% state that it's Gwen Stacy?

Or you could scroll down and see the question "Who is Spider-Man's best love interest?" and the first 3 words that pop up are: Mary Jane Watson?

Or perhaps you'd like to waltz on over to Fandom.com and see that Gwen is #2 and MJ is #1? Where they mention "Gwen was Peter's first true love." Not ONLY, but FIRST. and then they mention "Mary Jane Watson is the love of Peter's life." both quote are the first sentence written for each one.

Or let's take a stroll towards aminoapps.com that says "I believe Peter may have married Gwen Stacy if she lived, but Mary Jane is always meant to be with Peter Parker because their love only comes on(ce) in a millennia. Gwen fell in love with Peter Parker, and MJ fell in love with Peter initially but also fell in love with Spider-Man."

Or how about we take a trip and talk about Romita Sr. and Conway talking about the ASM #121-122? "John Romita Sr. wanted a character death to shake things up and ultimately agreed with Conway that Gwen was the most disposable and least essential but also emotionally resonant for the surprise/shock/stunt to work. And it's also clear, if you read the actual 2 issues the the emotional center of that story is the epilogue with Mary Jane." The fact that it has to be stated as "First true love" with the word "first" being put in there means that there was another one.

The way you phrase it is that Peter is just with MJ "because she's the next best thing" and constantly mopes for Gwen, when that isn't the case at all. He always looks downtrodden because he failed her and HE killed her. Think about the gravity of that situation for a minute: You dive off a bridge to save someone, and the whiplash effect snaps her neck and kills her. What if you had just let her fall in the water? She may have gotten HURT, sure, but there was no promise that what he was doing was going to kill her. It was a freak accident. So her DEATH plagues his mind, not his love for her. She. Died. By. His. Hand. Period. THAT is what haunts him. THAT is what keeps him guilty about it every time he thinks about her and how he killed her. That is the type of person that he is and he isn't over on the sidelines pouting "I'll settle for MJ because my first love is dead." That mentality does a disservice to Peter, MJ, AND Gwen. Not to mention EVERYONE remembers the first person they loved and the person they originally gave their heart to. That person FOREVER changes who they are and what they go through on a day-to-day basis from that point forward. Living in this fantasy world where you omit the word "first" doesn't make you right, it makes you delusional and cutting out letters in a newspaper to craft your own story from the pages of something else.

Tragic loss does not equate to romantic love, and that is what you're trying to do. You're trying to inflate his pain and trauma of her death as "she was going to be with him forever" and completely forgetting that there are people that created the damn story that have said otherwise. They found her to be "disposable". How can someone be his "ONLY love" if the writers who created the characters treated her as "disposable"?

Sure. She may have been getting to that point, but she died. She was no longer around. So we're left to contemplate. I'm not dismissing that you're saying that he loved and even on the cover of 122 he is shown shouting "YOU KILLED THE WOMAN I LOVE!" because At. That. Time. she was the ONLY love he knew. Don't forget that Gwen was with Harry first. So it took time for them to develop a relationship. It's not like Gwen was all goo-goo for him when they finally started dating. But it was his FIRST true love, not ONLY. Those are 2 different words and 2 different outcomes. If Gwen was truly his "one true love" answer me this: Why has NO other writer come forward in a segment of an alternate reality of Spider-Man where Gwen is written in instead of MJ? Why doesn't the current Ultimate Spider-Man run have him married to her with 2 kids instead of Mary Jane? Why does "Renew your vows" not contain Gwen? Why does every single run of Spider-Man after Amazing Spider-Man issue #122 not contain a single spot where Peter is in a relationship with her? Why doesn't a single Spider-Gwen book contain her in a relationship with Peter? Why is Gwen from an alternate universe with Miles Morales rather than her?

I've proven my points. I've brought receipts. Bring more than your weak standing and your lack of proof of anything other than crossing your arms like a toddler, sticking out your bottom lip, pouting, and just saying the same rehearsed lines over and over again.
You obviously didn't even try to check what i told you. And i never say that Gwen is his ONLY love,i said she is Peter's BIGGEST LOVE - there's a huge difference between "biggest" and "only". You may like MJ more but the reality is Gwen was his first and biggest love before she died. Want facts - then check Google again. There's even a information about Gwen been alive in alternative universe where Peter did choose her over Mary Jane. If she didn't die he will always choose her over Mary Jane.
There are a lot of fans like you who consider Mary Jane to be the one who Peter love most and that's why there's always a debate about that question between fans like you who like MJ more and the ones who like Gwen more and who knows that the truth is Peter's first and biggest love will always be Gwen and he will always choose her between MJ if Gwen didn't die. MJ is the one who has the most long-term relationship with Peter after he lost his biggest love and didn't think he would be able to fall in love again knowing the risks and the cost of his second life as Spider-Man.
The fact that he agree with Mephisto to erase his marriage and his relationship with Mary Jane to save his aunt May only shows that he is willing to forget about MJ but he is not willing to forget about Gwen. Why didn't he agree to erase the memory of Gwen instead his relationship with MJ? Because he love her more then anything. Not to mention in one of the comics of the Amazing Spider-Man(the spider verse), Peter from earth 616(the main universe most stories happen) did see Gwen from one of the other earths as Spider-Gwen after she and a lot of other Spider-Mans and other Spider heroes from every earth in the multiverse was fighting against the so-called "Heirs" that was hunting them and trying to kill all Spider heroes and when he happened to see Gwen his feelings start comming back even if she was from another universe in which instead her Peter was the one who died and she was the one bited from a radioactive spider. That only shows that both of them loved each other more then anything and if there was a chance for them to be together,they will always choose to stay with each other which once again proves the point that Peter's biggest love is Gwen Stacy. Peter also did say it to Green Goblin when he killed her - "You murdered the only girl i'll ever love" - that only shows and proves what i already told you, that Peter's biggest love was Gwen and that after this he tought he will never be able to fall in love again - luckily he managed to fall in love again with MJ but even then he never was able to love her the same way as Gwen.

Harry (at least Harry from earth 616) was never been with Gwen,he was with MJ and later marrying Liz. Gwen's first and only relationship was with Peter. There are some "fans interpretations" about Harry been with Gwen but this are only fans interpretation - nothing like this happened, at least not in the main earth 616 from where most of the stories are.

Miles Morales is with Gwen in the same earth Spider-Gwen is (earth 65) and pretty much the same way as Peter and MJ in earth 616 - in the earth of Spider Gwen she is the one biten from a radioactive spider and she is the one losing her biggest love Peter after he is trying to made a formula to have superpowers so he can be a hero like her and he turn into a lizzard which leads to her and him fighting and he dies while she is trying to help him turn back. After that, later she happens to be with Miles, the same way Peter from earth 616 happened to be with MJ after loosing Gwen.

I suggest we better stop here,because it's obvious we can debate about that forever. Google said it too - there was always a debate about that question between the spider-man fans and it seems like this debate will never end.
Gwen was his first and biggest love and his soulmate and hers tragic death did change Peter forever.
Mary Jane was his second big love - the one who offered Peter comfort and support after he lost Gwen and who served as a hope for him to once again been able to fall in love and this time to has a long-term relationship but their relationship was complex because of which they did break up more then once before eventually marrying again and having kids.
 

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I suggest we better stop here,because it's obvious we can debate about that forever. Google said it too - there was always a debate about that question between the spider-man fans and it seems like this debate will never end.
Gwen was his first and biggest love and his soulmate and hers tragic death did change Peter forever.
Mary Jane was his second big love - the one who offered Peter comfort and support after he lost Gwen and who served as a hope for him to once again been able to fall in love and this time to has a long-term relationship but their relationship was complex because of which they did break up more then once before eventually marrying again and having kids.
This is the last I will say on the matter, because you're right; you will believe your way and I will believe mine.

But you also cooked every single one of your screenshots to lean towards your own argument "Why was Peter never able to love Mary Jane the same way he loved Gwen Stacy" Phrasing matters. You swayed the question into your favor.

Also you keep alluding to being that Gwen is the definitive rather than "one of them". Even in your screenshot where you have Gwen and MJ in the same screen cap it says "an argument can be made for both"...meaning that your "I'm right; you're wrong" claim is also wrong.

However the key thing that I've mentioned that you cannot refute, no matter what you say, and you cannot make it "because I'm right" is that the WRITERS of the characters never intended for Gwen to be his "biggest love" as you keep wording it. Now, in the context of "Gwen Stacy was Peter's 'biggest love' AT THAT TIME" that would be 100% correct. But you hit pause on it all and are toting it around as gospel. That's not how a rational person should or would argue. You can have your fever dream, because at this stage that is all that it is, but the simple fact remains: the people who wrote all 3 characters into existence never intended Gwen to stick around. She was written in to be the tragic push Peter needed in order to prevent himself from ever having someone hurt like he did again. It was his "last big push to be an adult" and losing the love of his life, the biggest love he had UP TO THAT POINT, is what they felt was the greatest way to write it. And they were correct.

Hit the unpause button and join the rest of us that absolutely do not agree with her being the definitive one and just enjoy the goddamn characters without lording it all over everyone as if you have the correct answer in your own personally drawn web of hope.
 
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This is the last I will say on the matter, because you're right; you will believe your way and I will believe mine.

But you also cooked every single one of your screenshots to lean towards your own argument "Why was Peter never able to love Mary Jane the same way he loved Gwen Stacy" Phrasing matters. You swayed the question into your favor.

Also you keep alluding to being that Gwen is the definitive rather than "one of them". Even in your screenshot where you have Gwen and MJ in the same screen cap it says "an argument can be made for both"...meaning that your "I'm right; you're wrong" claim is also wrong.

However the key thing that I've mentioned that you cannot refute, no matter what you say, and you cannot make it "because I'm right" is that the WRITERS of the characters never intended for Gwen to be his "biggest love" as you keep wording it. Now, in the context of "Gwen Stacy was Peter's 'biggest love' AT THAT TIME" that would be 100% correct. But you hit pause on it all and are toting it around as gospel. That's not how a rational person should or would argue. You can have your fever dream, because at this stage that is all that it is, but the simple fact remains: the people who wrote all 3 characters into existence never intended Gwen to stick around. She was written in to be the tragic push Peter needed in order to prevent himself from ever having someone hurt like he did again. It was his "last big push to be an adult" and losing the love of his life, the biggest love he had UP TO THAT POINT, is what they felt was the greatest way to write it. And they were correct.

Hit the unpause button and join the rest of us that absolutely do not agree with her being the definitive one and just enjoy the goddamn characters without lording it all over everyone as if you have the correct answer in your own personally drawn web of hope.
Did you ever see what i tell you? I think you are just trying desperately to deny the fact that Gwen is Peter's biggest love even when i show it to you and did explain you why she is his biggest love. On one of the screenshots there was even written that The House Of M confirmed that in one of the other universes where Gwen is alive Peter did choose her instead of Mary Jane and you was the one that thought such a thing never happened. Try to check it and see by yourself. I've already did told you that there was always a debate between fans about Gwen and MJ and this debate will never be ended and will go forever. If you search in Google you will see what i already told you and that there are even videos explaining why Gwen Stacy is Peter Parker's biggest and best love interest. You can check and see it in google - it's say Gwen was Peter's greatest love just like it's say that there was always a debate about Gwen and MJ and that some of the fans like you consider and believe that MJ is the one who Peter truely loved but that's mostly because of the fact that he has a long-term relationship with her while with Gwen he didn't have the chance to have a long-term relationship because she died tragicaly but that doesn't mean she wasn't his biggest love - on the contrary,she was his first and biggest love and her death did change Peter forever. Mary Jane and Peter did start comunicate and date 2 years after Gwen's death and at the beginning it was mostly MJ who did had a crush on Peter while Peter wasn't in such a love with her. Of course with the time he started having feelings for her too and they become a couple but even then their relationship was complex because MJ wanted to make a career as actress while Peter wanted to keep been Spider-Man and helping people - they even break again after MJ asked him to leave his life as Spider-Man behind and go with her after she received a oportunity to start her career as actress, but Peter refused to do it and she left alone. That only shows how neither of them wanted to make exceptions and how difficult their relationship was. With Gwen he never had this problem - they always understand and respect each other, not to mention the fact that unlike with MJ, Peter was ready to leave his life as Spider-Man with Gwen and marry her starting a normal life somewhere else away from everything but then the tragic happened and she died. I'm telling you facts and you are simply denying them just because you want to believe i'm not right and because you clearly like MJ more - that's ok,if you want to believe that and ignore all the facts that i did tell you,refusing to see that i'm right and that a lot of Spider-Man fans know that Gwen is his biggest love, then so be it.

With that i end up that topic cause we can go forever and you are obviously simply ignoring all the facts i did tell and give you. If you want to believe it's MJ then so be it, but every real fan knows that the truth is Gwen was Peter's biggest and greatest love. End of discussion! :cool:
 
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