Uncle Loco

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I am talking about what I'm seeing in the story and atm Damien is not to be forgiven...going by that logic...we can assume Gorg had stomach problems...and that's the reason why he wasn't hitting hard...or maybe he had a pulled muscle...muscle cramps...shit there are so many reasons we can invoke that we have no ideea if they are true...on the other hand we do know that gorg was Ryker's sidekick...we do know that Damien played us like a drum...we do know that Belle tried to help us...so ya...I'm gonna stick to what I'm seeing in the story and condemn Damien
Nothing against anyone that defends them
You are forgetting that Gorg actually works for Belle, and Ryker got to him. Belle had Gorg as a double agent, which conveniently stopped giving her information when the MC showed up. You really don't find that odd. You guys make spying on someone and giving partial information about what they were doing out to be some unforgivable thing. Then you are blinded by pussy as well oh poor Jasmine oh poor Belle. What if Jasmine is involved in all this too you don't know, god I hope that if Damien is truly the asshole you guys want him to be that Jasmine is working with him too and she played us all as a fool as well.
 

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Ok just a little background here for those who don't remember all the facts. Belle and her group did a hostile take over of the school. Belle hired Charles (which had to have been more than a year ago since he was involed in the poor basketball last season). You know Charles the guy that got the husband of her partner's daughter thrown in jail. Oh wait did we forget that? Yeah Valarie's daughter Vanessa's has a husband that worked for Charles that was thrown in jail for something hmmmm. That's interesting I wonder if it is possible she knows what Charles is up too? Nah why would she look into that for her partner. Wait Ryker is Charles nephew oh crap I forgot about that too. hmmm there is a lot of connections here I wonder if a smart person would have looked into all that stuff right away and prepared for any further backlash for the school or the secret society that runs the school. Nope I see nothing fishy there that would make me question the trust of another person we just met (Belle). Sure Rachael vouches for her but that was when they were still friends don't forget there was a fall out between those two as well.

Ok tin foil hat off.
While all true, to be fair, when you employ someone in such a position (have you ever employed people to do important lead jobs? I have)...you employ them with knowledge of the past and their present and their ability to do the job.

Once done...you do not keep your eye on them 24/7...you trust them to do the job you have employed them to do unless something majorly bad happens which those kind of people tend to try and cover up. Belle is only just becoming aware of the shit he is up to (none of which directly relates really to his day to day running of the college).

Unfortunate but sometimes, you employ the wrong people. But if you can't trust them to do the job, you may as well do it yourself. if you can't, unable, no time etc...that's why you employ others to do it for you. So what I'm trying to say is, yes Belle employed him...and as she openly states, she made a mistake this time around. Hardly think that's any reason not to trust her based off her employing a 'bad un'....(or even at the time a good un...but someone who chose at a later date to go off the rails).
 

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Ok just a little background here for those who don't remember all the facts. Belle and her group did a hostile take over of the school. Belle hired Charles (which had to have been more than a year ago since he was involed in the poor basketball last season). You know Charles the guy that got the husband of her partner's daughter thrown in jail. Oh wait did we forget that? Yeah Valarie's daughter Vanessa's has a husband that worked for Charles that was thrown in jail for something hmmmm. That's interesting I wonder if it is possible she knows what Charles is up too? Nah why would she look into that for her partner. Wait Ryker is Charles nephew oh crap I forgot about that too. hmmm there is a lot of connections here I wonder if a smart person would have looked into all that stuff right away and prepared for any further backlash for the school or the secret society that runs the school. Nope I see nothing fishy there that would make me question the trust of another person we just met (Belle). Sure Rachael vouches for her but that was when they were still friends don't forget there was a fall out between those two as well.

Ok tin foil hat off.

There are plenty of reasons to not want to trust Belle and plenty of reasons to trust her. Don't forget it seemed that Rachael did most of the work for him anyways. She got the Lawyer (Anna), she helped release other footage, we don't really know what Belle did other than help Rachael. Also I am not saying I would forgive Damien either I am saying there is a path to redemption if everything plays out right. Until we have all the facts don't be so quick to judge. Damien could have been playing the role Belle wanted him to play as well we just don't know. All I am trying to do is have you look past what is right in front of you to see what could be hiding behind the mirror.
Belle stated that when she hired Charles he was not like he was now...so that's not really a argument.
Just because Charles did some shady stuff doesn't mean Belle was aware....atm there is no evidence to corroborate your argument.
And no we didn't forget that but atm again I say Belle doesn't seem to have anything to do with that...from what we can see and understand that was a Charles bussines
Again..the Valerie thing is tied to Charles...not Belle
We can assume whatever we wwant fact of the matter is that there is no evidence ...Gorg might have been flipped from the get go...
If we go by this logic that means that from the beginning he has been playing Belle...so again...this proves nothing with Belle..this can actually prove the opposite...but like I told you...and anyone else atm there is no evidence to sustain anything that I claim or you claim or anyone else claims without being presented into the story
All conjecture

Having Rachel vouch for Belle I think it's kinda big ....just because there was a fallout between them doesn't make Belle a bad person...depends on what the fallout is...and even then....there are way more things to take into account than just the reason.
So no...I don't head mind to the fact that they had a fallout...and also she says something like just because they had a falling out doesn't mean she is bad...she just had some problems with Rachael.


You are right we should look behind the mirror but that doesn';t mean we should ignore what's in front of us...sometimes there is no deeper meaning...I'm not saying in this case that there isn't ...I'm saying there is a chance that there isn't a deeper meaning. a hidden reason or something else like that...

For now we just need to wait and see how the story develops.

These are all my personal oppinions ...they are not meant to be taken as a insult or attack on anyone.
If they are taken like that I apologize...although ...have done nothing wrong though...but still I apologize.,
You are forgetting that Gorg actually works for Belle, and Ryker got to him. Belle had Gorg as a double agent, which conveniently stopped giving her information when the MC showed up. You really don't find that odd. You guys make spying on someone and giving partial information about what they were doing out to be some unforgivable thing. Then you are blinded by pussy as well oh poor Jasmine oh poor Belle. What if Jasmine is involved in all this too you don't know, god I hope that if Damien is truly the asshole you guys want him to be that Jasmine is working with him too and she played us all as a fool as well.
Well actually we assume that he worked as double agent...not really confirmed from Gorg that he actually did worked as a double agent...all we know is that he fed Belle with a bunch of lies and helped Ryker...so I'm not sure this qualifies as something to throw shade on Belle ...since from my POV Gorg's action have not been those of a double agent more like a traitor..
Throwing a lot of what if doesn't make it real...there is no concrete evidence to throw Jasmine under the fire...she might be involved...she might not be...as the american justice system says...innocent untill proven guilty.
I'm looking at the moment at what is presented in the story ....
Damien acted like a cockroach ..a stupid one for not having a fallback plan
Ryker is a cunt who has a grudge against the MC ...reasons unkwnon
Gorg atm is presented as a traitor...not a double agent...
 
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BTLD

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While all true, to be fair, when you employ someone in such a position (have you ever employed people to do important lead jobs? I have)...you employ them with knowledge of the past and their present and their ability to do the job.

Once done...you do not keep your eye on them 24/7...you trust them to do the job you have employed them to do unless something majorly bad happens which those kind of people tend to try and cover up. Belle is only just becoming aware of the shit he is up to (none of which directly relates really to his day to day running of the college).

Unfortunate but sometimes, you employ the wrong people. But if you can't trust them to do the job, you may as well do it yourself. if you can't, unable, no time etc...that's why you employ others to do it for you. So what I'm trying to say is, yes Belle employed him...and as she openly states, she made a mistake this time around. Hardly think that's any reason not to trust her based off her employing a 'bad un'....(or even at the time a good un...but someone who chose at a later date to go off the rails).
110% agree
 

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4. @LocoGringo78`s Theories.
May I suggest that all take a small step back?
As I see it he is pointing out stuff, possibilities of conspiracies.
That does not mean he believes any of what he said is actually the case, he is bouncing ideas.
Damien can swing both ways ( oh boy )
Gorg can still have a vital role to play, good or bad
Belle may be the evil mastermind or going into overdrive to make things right from now on.
Aliens my be involved

What I want to say is: Intentions.
As I see it ( correct me if I am wrong here Loco ) his intentions are not to convince anyone about anything but
- get the discussion about a VN he very much likes running
- has fun digging through the available clues/plot holes/stuff not yet released and figure possible developments
- is willing to drop any theory that is debunked by BDs updates

What I am getting at, slowly and rambling, is:
I do enjoy his ideas. Be they quite likely or unlikely as hell, it does help me to see different approaches on the story.
Don`t see it as his attempt to push his views on you.
Well at least someone understands where I am coming from.
 

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Well at least someone understands where I am coming from.
don't confuse understanding with dissagreeing....
Just because I don't agree with everything that's being said here doesn't mean I don't understand other POV's....
In the end we are all entitled to different oppinions...
Would be awesome if you didn't take this the wrong way...you or anyone else for that matter.
 

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You are forgetting that Gorg actually works for Belle, and Ryker got to him. Belle had Gorg as a double agent, which conveniently stopped giving her information when the MC showed up. You really don't find that odd. You guys make spying on someone and giving partial information about what they were doing out to be some unforgivable thing. Then you are blinded by pussy as well oh poor Jasmine oh poor Belle. What if Jasmine is involved in all this too you don't know, god I hope that if Damien is truly the asshole you guys want him to be that Jasmine is working with him too and she played us all as a fool as well.
I KNEW you would be going for Jasmine, too :ROFLMAO:

Kept that out of my rambling for exactly that reason. Thx for not disappointing me ;)
 

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Almost like we're not allowed to challenge/disagree (thus discuss) with any theories put forward at this point...wonder why I even still visit this thread.
Ah, sorry if it looked that way.
Disagreeing with someone or a theory is of course OK and a discussion is exactly what I wanted to encourage.

All I wanted to point out is that it should be a discussion about the topic and not the person putting it out.
 

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Ah, sorry if it looked that way.
Disagreeing with someone or a theory is of course OK and a discussion is exactly what I wanted to encourage.

All I wanted to point out is that it should be a discussion about the topic and not the person putting it out.
tbh the only person atm who is making it about someone ...is you friendo...
nobody mentioned anything against anyone...you're the only that hinted towards that...
 
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Ok on to more important topics for the day.

Happy Birthday BB. Wait is it birthday or creation day? Hmmm Uncle Loco is confused so I will just stick with Happy Birthday.
yer about a day early but Birthday will suffice :p Which reminds me i gotta figure out where I left the cake....
 

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Oh Really ??

I go to bed and you guys start a ruckus?
Damien Discussion?Anal Gold? Belle Conspiracy?

Aargh. I am in dire need of an Fist waving Emoji... oh wait:

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OK.

My more or less coherent thoughts:

1. Damien.
I told it often enough, he done effed up quite good and the reveal will have to be a very convincing one to get me back to his good side.
BUT I am willing to listen to him.
Also there are several levels of forgiveness. Redemption path can include the whole harem, does not have to . It only can be at a level that means MC does not hate him.
Other levels could be ( not exclusively )
- D going back to school
- D allowed to play again
- Fresh beginning and friendship path

Personally I would not suggest that Jasmine will be back with him as he treated her like no one should be treated in an relationship, that does not even include the lingering in the closet thing going on.

Would I like him back to "normal" Not sure, I think too much has happened.

2. Gorg.
Oh boy, I think we do not know enough. That he did not hit MC on certain places does at least give a possible arc here.
Likely ? Don`t know, I can not read BDs mind ;)

3. Belle.
I see where LocoGringo78 is coming from.
There is a possibility for a conspiracy there, I think we all can agree to that.
How likely that is, well, that is written on a completely different piece of paper.
It is interesting that she was a fixer, at least not a bad one as she played in the same league a Rachel. She turned her attention to different goals ( HoH ) but did she get "only" complacent and relaxed too much?
Don`t know.
It IS a bad sign that so much stuff could brew together under her watch.
BUT does this spell she is the evil mastermind?
Personally I do not think so, more likely she only got too sloppy.

4. @LocoGringo78`s Theories.
May I suggest that all take a small step back?
As I see it he is pointing out stuff, possibilities of conspiracies.
That does not mean he believes any of what he said is actually the case, he is bouncing ideas.
Damien can swing both ways ( oh boy )
Gorg can still have a vital role to play, good or bad
Belle may be the evil mastermind or going into overdrive to make things right from now on.
Aliens my be involved

What I want to say is: Intentions.
As I see it ( correct me if I am wrong here Loco ) his intentions are not to convince anyone about anything but
- get the discussion about a VN he very much likes running
- has fun digging through the available clues/plot holes/stuff not yet released and figure possible developments
- is willing to drop any theory that is debunked by BDs updates

What I am getting at, slowly and rambling, is:
I do enjoy his ideas. Be they quite likely or unlikely as hell, it does help me to see different approaches on the story.
Don`t see it as his attempt to push his views on you.

5. BD´s plan.

No one here does know his plans for WVM. All we can do is guess.
He did plant some hints along the way, some of them only visible in hindsight.
As I am working on my own writing I can tell you from what little experience I have is:
- Until you are finished the story will have its corner stones set. Basic story arc, persons, key situations ... After that you fill the details and those can be fluent and sometimes have to be as you figure that some stuff you think was good actually does not work. My guess is the Tali introduction change was one of those points for BD.
- It is very hard for you as author to see if an idea is good or not until you get feedback. If there is no one to bounce your ideas it is quite easy to get into a "bubble of self deception" ( harshly put ) that can burst at the most inconvenient time.
I do hope ( for him ) that BD does have people to bounce.
- The theory crafting of his fans can actually help BD to refine his ideas. IF he is influenced and to what extent I cannot say of course, I cannot read minds ( luckily ). As an example I got the feedback that one of my chars was imagined to be speaking with a Russian accent. She never was planed to do so, still does not, but it gave me an idea to add something that did give her a twist and as I hope more depth as protagonist.

OK, why, apart from shamelessly planting my work here, am I rambling about that?
My guess is that BD does have his outlines finished and set. Most likely he also does have to fill and flesh out the story arcs and has set general rules. Like the "There shalt be no Incest" one or others we have no clue about.
The 2 thoughts I want to push are
- BD will write what he wants, how he wants and, yes, when he wants. So whatever trolls have to say about "that is stupid" or "It can be done so easily" or whatever does shatter at this one thought:
BD`s ship and he sails it the way he intends to.
We cannot really influence that apart from asking nicely and respectfully and not to be but hurt if his plans will carry the story into another direction as it is his to write.
- What we can do to support him is give feedback, keep the trolls away, craft as many theories as possible and if we can manage fork over some Patreon / Subscribestar ( well, IF he would stop pausing that for a moment, damn him... ).
If he can use the occasional idea, well, would it not be nice?
We can keep the thread up and running, clean and trending.

So people, be nice and have fun with this story. It is a good one, keeps us on our toes and craving for more.
What else can we hope for ?

Oh, speaking of but hurt, Avaron1974 I really get the impression I would enjoy to get to know you a little better over a nice dinner :sneaky:

Is there a maximum length for these posts ?? :unsure:
I ran out of likes or I'd give you a big red heart, as I was going to say the same things, though much shorter, more spelling errors and not as elegantly.

I will only add that while we all have our beliefs of who is good or bad in this game as long as we can at least begrudgingly accept Braindrop 's story direction and keep any complaints and discussion civil, we will be all right!

Also if you want a factually accurate game, MAYBE don't look for it in a Porn game!
 

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Don`t worry we seem to be on the same page.

My feeling was that some parts of the discussion were taken a bit too personal?
Maybe expressed with an edge not necessary?

Again, my feeling and I may read too much into it. But maybe others will, too?

Hmm could be that I sometime do not see differentiation between discussing a point/topic and discussing the other persons opinion about that topic in what is written?
I thought some might have been taking his Belle thoughts seriously, though LocoGringo78 if you were being serious, then I apologize, but it just seemed like one of you throw it out there to start discussion ideas!
 
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