VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

[Niuul]

Basketball can still be a core part of the game without rendering out a slideshow of a basketball game every x updates. That's what's weird to me I guess. But different strokes for different folks.

True, but I guess it's hard to see the big picture when development is... what it is. Been how many years for WVM and we only just recently got an exhibition game that ended up in a suspension of the MC to delay having to do that again even more. It is what it is I suppose.

 

[Grif1001]

If You Give A Milker A Dollar. by Grif1001

(based on If You Give A Mouse A Cookie, by Laura Numeroff)

If you give a milker a dollar,
He's gonna ask you to join a higher tier.
If you join a higher tier,
he'll promise early release dates to the tier above you.
If you pay more for early releases,
He'll ask you to refer friends.
If you refer enough friends he will develop a strong support base.
if he develops a strong support base,
he will quit his day job to work on the game full time.
If he quits his job to work on the game full time,
he will want to enjoy a little time off since he was working two jobs for so long
if he takes some time off,
he will get behind on the game progress.
If he gets behind on the game progress,
he will blame it on illness, computer problems, or other excuses.
If you believe his excuses,
He will become lazy and the delays will increase.
if the delays increase,
fans will begin to complain
If the fans complain,
he will rush out an update real quick.
If he starts taking long breaks and then rushing episodes,
the quality will decline.
If the quality starts to decline,
he may lose supporters.
If he loses supporters,
he may get frustrated.
If he gets frustrated,
he may just abandon the game and start a new one.
if he starts a new game,
he's gonna want a dollar.

 

[Wen I Say]

It's weird to me, how many people are really hung up on the lack of basketball games played in an AVN... like it's the backdrop it's the excuse for the titties... if you want basketball... just like, watch a basketball game.

the same thing can be said if you want to watch titties...just like, watch a porno... I'm cool with Buddy making this game in an image that right now only he can see but why the deception? If I told you I was making a story about a dude and his dog but he had a cat that barked and didn't even have a dog, you'd be scratching your head and saying why not just say the story was about a dude's cat that acted like or thought it was a dog. Why the convolution if he wanted to just make a slice of life VN with the MC going to a college to be with his friend and he so happened to try out for the bb team that shit makes infinitely more sense than him being some sports phenom in name only which confuses me the reader because everyone treats him so irreverently with seemingly no reason to. What were his career statistics that made him so good? Where's the actual evidence that he's this otherworldy player as depicted? You can't just bake character traits and history into a character and omit reasoning for doing so because if that's the case why do it at all? Honestly you take the fact that he is supposedly a basketball star out of the picture the whole story falls apart......... No pussy except best friend since he'd never would have met his GF since he met her sister playing organized basketball everything just unravels from there.

 

[TigerWolfe]

the same thing can be said if you want to watch titties...just like, watch a porno... I'm cool with Buddy making this game in an image that right now only he can see but why the deception? If I told you I was making a story about a dude and his dog but he had a cat that barked and didn't even have a dog, you'd be scratching your head and saying why not just say the story was about a dude's cat that acted like or thought it was a dog. Why the convolution if he wanted to just make a slice of life VN with the MC going to a college to be with his friend and he so happened to try out for the bb team that shit makes infinitely more sense than him being some sports phenom in name only which confuses me the reader because everyone treats him so irreverently with seemingly no reason to. What were his career statistics that made him so good? Where's the actual evidence that he's this otherworldy player as depicted? You can't just bake character traits and history into a character and omit reasoning for doing so because if that's the case why do it at all? Honestly you take the fact that he is supposedly a basketball star out of the picture the whole story falls apart......... No pussy except best friend since he'd never would have met his GF since he met her sister playing organized basketball everything just unravels from there.

Like I said the basketball is the backdrop it's the framework in which the story is set. It's where all the characters develop and how they all know each other, all very important. I just don't personally have a desire to click through 10s of screens of basketball games, as that'll not be developing any of the interpersonal stuff or the sexy stuff... It'll just be basketball for basketball's sake. I'm a huge hockey fan, and if that was the sport of choice here I wouldn't need more than the occasional lip service to games played.

 

[Wen I Say]

Like I said the basketball is the backdrop it's the framework in which the story is set. It's where all the characters develop and how they all know each other, all very important. I just don't personally have a desire to click through 10s of screens of basketball games, as that'll not be developing any of the interpersonal stuff or the sexy stuff... It'll just be basketball for basketball's sake. I'm a huge hockey fan, and if that was the sport of choice here I wouldn't need more than the occasional lip service to games played.

your opinion is your own I'm not tryna argue it, My point was the instability and convolution of the plot line because it's been half a decade with the plot being stagnant from what was depicted originally if you're only here for the nudes that's your right.

 

[TigerWolfe]

your opinion is your own I'm not tryna argue it, My point was the instability and convolution of the plot line because it's been half a decade with the plot being stagnant from what was depicted originally if you're only here for the nudes that's your right.

I'm definitely not an only here for the nudes person, the flippantness of my original post was just that, I'm just along for the ride to see where if ever we end up. It's like a soap opera minus all the parts that frustrate me cause everyone likes MC, there's no will they won't they, the answer is always they will, so I'm content to just ride along and see how they get there.

 

[DarkDaemonX]

Any updates or news on the rewrite, maybe from Discord? Once the rewrite is done I can play again (restart actually), because playing now is useless, I wish I could ask on Discord myself, but as far as I know it's patron only.

 

[Nurikabe]

Any updates or news on the rewrite, maybe from Discord? Once the rewrite is done I can play again (restart actually), because playing now is useless, I wish I could ask on Discord myself, but as far as I know it's patron only.

It isn't really being "re-written;" it's being modified. I guess there was a lot of complaining about how much happened in a 24-hour period. So, he is making things happen over weeks instead of days. He is changing some of the dialogue surrounding what people are considering 'incest-teasing.' Apparently, these small changes will make it so people stop bitching about Azel and Willow/Cedar (possibly Wendy) making incestual overtures toward the MC. Like that will ever happen.

 

[joodan]

Hey, I've never played the game. Should I give it a try now or is there going to be a major update soon?

 

[Trojaner]

Hey, I've never played the game. Should I give it a try now or is there going to be a major update soon?

 

[EJW]

It isn't really being "re-written;" it's being modified. I guess there was a lot of complaining about how much happened in a 24-hour period. So, he is making things happen over weeks instead of days. He is changing some of the dialogue surrounding what people are considering 'incest-teasing.' Apparently, these small changes will make it so people stop bitching about Azel and Willow/Cedar (possibly Wendy) making incestual overtures toward the MC. Like that will ever happen.

He also said that he will be adding a lot of stuff like some new people that are in the second season. Like the lady at the diner and a few others that act like the mc knows who they are but never saw them until second season. Also, to work on non futa background for Shawna.

 

[Nurikabe]

Hey, I've never played the game. Should I give it a try now or is there going to be a major update soon?

Chapter updates are every few weeks. It is kinda difficult to explain what a chapter is. I would say it is more like he releases each major scene as he completes them. You can always wait until the chapter is released or after several chapters are released. But there is quite a bit of content (i.e. chicks to screw) currently available.

 

[DarkDaemonX]

It isn't really being "re-written;" it's being modified. I guess there was a lot of complaining about how much happened in a 24-hour period. So, he is making things happen over weeks instead of days. He is changing some of the dialogue surrounding what people are considering 'incest-teasing.' Apparently, these small changes will make it so people stop bitching about Azel and Willow/Cedar (possibly Wendy) making incestual overtures toward the MC. Like that will ever happen.

Not just that, we'll also be meeting new people, because there are mentions of events that never happened and people we didn't meet in the original, so in addition to modifying it, it will also get plenty of additional content, otherwise the days would be too empty instead, which is even worse.

What made BD think it was a good idea to change continuity, unless he's working on the rewrite in the background while still doing small updates to the story, but if he's not working on it at all then someone or something should force him to, whether he likes to or not.

Yeah the whole incestual (and Azel) teasing, just for BD to say they're never getting content just doesn't make sense, and why would he put his aunt's likeness in a porn game, of course people would want the MC to fuck her, same with Willow/Cedar, just commit to it, change relationships where necessary, so a patch can be made to restore all relationships to the original, because as it stands they're just taking up space, it's like BD wanted to add them to the harem, but just changed his mind, Willow/Cedar was attracted to him, but when she learned they were siblings she wasn't anymore, that's not how that works.

 

[Nurikabe]

Not just that, we'll also be meeting new people, because there are mentions of events that never happened and people we didn't meet in the original, so in addition to modifying it, it will also get plenty of additional content, otherwise the days would be too empty instead, which is even worse.

What made BD think it was a good idea to change continuity, unless he's working on the rewrite in the background while still doing small updates to the story, but if he's not working on it at all then someone or something should force him to, whether he likes to or not.

He is working on the changes in tandem with the new content. He has been very explicit about those plans and shared how that is happening in his dev notes.

Adding new people, while I don't know the extent of that, is a strange thing to do. As if he doesn't have enough women or enough content. So, I can only imagine it is to better tell part of the story. Apparently, he is bringing back the random restraunt bathroom hookup as we saw a couple of chapters ago. That is fine, I just do not understand why that would require changes in the older content where she is introduced. So, while I agree that it would be nice if he left the older content alone and just moved forward, at least he is not stopping new content or stopping entirely and "reworking" the whole game, as so many devs do these days.

Yeah the whole incestual (and Azel) teasing, just for BD to say they're never getting content just doesn't make sense, and why would he put his aunt's likeness in a porn game, of course people would want the MC to fuck her, same with Willow/Cedar, just commit to it, change relationships where necessary, so a patch can be made to restore all relationships to the original, because as it stands they're just taking up space, it's like BD wanted to add them to the harem, but just changed his mind, Willow/Cedar was attracted to him, but when she learned they were siblings she wasn't anymore, that's not how that works.

It isn't unrealistic to think that Willow would see the MC and be attracted to him, not knowing who he is. The game handles this well. Every time it is brought up Cedar (formerly known as Willow) shuts it down quickly and is embarrassed. Unfortunately, the incest crowd really wanted to see some action there and wouldn't let it go. So, now BD has to change shit to shut those tools up. Adding/changing content to make people happy is just not a smart way to do business. There will never be content that someone does not bitch about or that somebody is entirely happy with. And what makes one guy bitch makes another rejoice. In general, it is best to just tell the story. A good story will find an audience.

 

[Nommed Plums]

Hey, I've never played the game. Should I give it a try now or is there going to be a major update soon?

There's enough content to start my man, once the faces start getting ducky just know its about to slow down. The game is probably way more enjoyable when you lower or have no expectations.

 

[MarkChadWinters]

With no sign of the update, I will lay this out. I'd love to have the MC have a threesome with Jasmine and Tia. Two pretty black booties? Yes Please

(And any thing to do with Bailey. She's the god damn bee's knees)

 

[Azraelith]

-ranting about incest snip-

First off... Lol. Lmao, even.

Secondly, It's not like him not adding it wouldn't have changed shit. BD knew full well that how he added Cedar/Willow would look but went ahead and did it anyway; Despite the entire premise looking like she was someone who you could date and honestly? When I first saw her I immediately was all for going after her, even not knowing that she was family simply because of the backstory behind her. I did however make a comment way earlier sometime about how forced it felt that she was icked away from it despite crushing on MC. Furthermore, He shouldn't have even fucking added any sort of romantic references towards Azel or have her been so flirty (fwiw from what I can remeber) towards the MC if he didn't want people to dick her down. It's almost like he forgot what kind of game he's making (hint: it isn't wholesome) and then tried to back-pedal after saying 'Hmm... no you don't get anything with any of these characters despite them taking up a SIGNIFICENT chunk of screen time'. Which, okay; sure, but don't in that case you think they should be drastically reduced in screen time instead of being kept front and forward facing?

I haven't touched this game in over a year and honestly, from reading some of the comments have no desire to do so. Duck-Faces aren't for me. All I remember though is how BD kept pushing shit back further and further every time. I'm not even sure why I'm still watching this thread but I can't bring myself to un-watch it.

I swear it's like a train wreck in slow motion, I can't look away.

 

[Nurikabe]

First off... Lol. Lmao, even.

Secondly, It's not like him not adding it wouldn't have changed shit. BD knew full well that how he added Cedar/Willow would look but went ahead and did it anyway; Despite the entire premise looking like she was someone who you could date and honestly? When I first saw her I immediately was all for going after her, even not knowing that she was family simply because of the backstory behind her. I did however make a comment way earlier sometime about how forced it felt that she was icked away from it despite crushing on MC. Furthermore, He shouldn't have even fucking added any sort of romantic references towards Azel or have her been so flirty (fwiw from what I can remeber) towards the MC if he didn't want people to dick her down. It's almost like he forgot what kind of game he's making (hint: it isn't wholesome) and then tried to back-pedal after saying 'Hmm... no you don't get anything with any of these characters despite them taking up a SIGNIFICENT chunk of screen time'. Which, okay; sure, but don't in that case you think they should be drastically reduced in screen time instead of being kept front and forward facing?

I haven't touched this game in over a year and honestly, from reading some of the comments have no desire to do so. Duck-Faces aren't for me. All I remember though is how BD kept pushing shit back further and further every time. I'm not even sure why I'm still watching this thread but I can't bring myself to un-watch it.

I swear it's like a train wreck in slow motion, I can't look away.

Why should any author avoid putting content in their work that might cause the unhinged to shit themselves? Explain it to me. Why does he have to cater to one group but not another? It is his story. If he wants to tease incest, fine! Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head telling them to read the nonsense.

Like you, I can't stand the duck face stuff that is happening. Does he really think it looks good? I don't know. But again, it is his story. It sucks that all the girls suffer from this affliction. But I am not going to stop reading it. I enjoy the damn thing.

Was there a moment where I wanted Willow to be in the harem? Hell yes! The second that I realized she was going to be the long-lost sister, that died. I don't have any interest in Azel. Wendy is gorgeous. Does it bother me he isn't going to nail her? Nope.

It isn't an incest rant. Or an anti-incest rant. It IS about the incessant bitching and the "you owe me" attitude. You owe me the chance to sleep with everyone in a harem game. You owe me an update. Not everyone feels this way. Not everyone wants to have Willow, Wendy, or Azel. But these people somehow feel that he is screwing over the entire fan base because he doesn't include them. Or because he can't hit a deadline. Or because he doesn't give a release date. Or because...

Complaints are fine. They are going to happen no matter what. And should. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion and unfortunately share it in an anonymous public forum. Saying, for example, that it sucks that all the girls are growing into duckfaced caricatures of previously individualized and attractive character assets, is valid. Willow is hot and I wish the dev would have included her in the harem is also a valid complaint. Compare that to, "it is complete bullshit that BD teases us with the incest shit and then doesn't follow through. You can't put shit like that in a game and then not deliver." And then repeat that complaint over and over ad nauseam. Creating multiple accounts just so you can continue to shitpost about the same thing even after getting blocked or banned.

You do see a difference, right? But this is the internet. A bunch of kids that should have had their faces bashed in growing up but instead got coddled and given an outlet for their dysfunctional and sociopathic outbursts found a haven online. But by all means, continue to tell me how you are owed and what a fuck up the dev is while continuing to follow the thread and read the work he puts out. You can always be placed on ignore. In fact, you should do that with me right now. Or maybe it is just entertainment to troll. Get your LOLs in... LMAOs, even.

 

[Wen I Say]

Why should any author avoid putting content in their work that might cause the unhinged to shit themselves? Explain it to me. Why does he have to cater to one group but not another? It is his story. If he wants to tease incest, fine! Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head telling them to read the nonsense.

Like you, I can't stand the duck face stuff that is happening. Does he really think it looks good? I don't know. But again, it is his story. It sucks that all the girls suffer from this affliction. But I am not going to stop reading it. I enjoy the damn thing.

Was there a moment where I wanted Willow to be in the harem? Hell yes! The second that I realized she was going to be the long-lost sister, that died. I don't have any interest in Azel. Wendy is gorgeous. Does it bother me he isn't going to nail her? Nope.

It isn't an incest rant. Or an anti-incest rant. It IS about the incessant bitching and the "you owe me" attitude. You owe me the chance to sleep with everyone in a harem game. You owe me an update. Not everyone feels this way. Not everyone wants to have Willow, Wendy, or Azel. But these people somehow feel that he is screwing over the entire fan base because he doesn't include them. Or because he can't hit a deadline. Or because he doesn't give a release date. Or because...

Complaints are fine. They are going to happen no matter what. And should. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion and unfortunately share it in an anonymous public forum. Saying, for example, that it sucks that all the girls are growing into duckfaced caricatures of previously individualized and attractive character assets, is valid. Willow is hot and I wish the dev would have included her in the harem is also a valid complaint. Compare that to, "it is complete bullshit that BD teases us with the incest shit and then doesn't follow through. You can't put shit like that in a game and then not deliver." And then repeat that complaint over and over ad nauseam. Creating multiple accounts just so you can continue to shitpost about the same thing even after getting blocked or banned.

You do see a difference, right? But this is the internet. A bunch of kids that should have had their faces bashed in growing up but instead got coddled and given an outlet for their dysfunctional and sociopathic outbursts found a haven online. But by all means, continue to tell me how you are owed and what a fuck up the dev is while continuing to follow the thread and read the work he puts out. You can always be placed on ignore. In fact, you should do that with me right now. Or maybe it is just entertainment to troll. Get your LOLs in... LMAOs, even.

You kinda talked yourself into a corner of I wanna say stupidity but it's more like ignorance or unknowing. I don't honestly think there is a single soul here that actively complained about any of those things, More so I think people poke fun at and openly mock that the author can't or won't take accountability for themselves since they and they alone provide the timelines for releases. There has been a lot of fuckery surrounding the author whether you believe it or are indifferent to it is irrelevant because it doesn't change the fact that it's there and people will draw their own conclusions. I also don't think people feel like they are owed anything more so that the author says and doesn't do but perpetually takes. Is this a pirate site? Yes, do we know that? Yes. No one feels owed anything though some of us here do pay for content that is either perpetually late or straight-up non-existent which understandably causes frustration. Not to mention that buddys work ethic for the past 3years has been as enthusiastic as someone's New Year's resolution.

 

[MarkChadWinters]

Just to kill time as we wait for the update (with no set date) , the follow up on my own post. I said I'd love to have the MC have a threesome with Tia and Jasmine.

But what are some of your guy's dream threesomes? (And nothing to do with Cedar or his Mothers or the Coach and her daughter.....I'm ruling that out right now. Though watch everybody be like "His sister and mom!!!" . If you say that, I'm just ignoring you flat out haha)