VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch.1 Ep.13 F] [Braindrop]

[Individual]

Last year I made a decision about this thread. Where WVM is concerned, I no longer seek, or believe, any deadlines. When it's here, I play it, I enjoy it, I spend a couple days rolling myself over it. Then I put it in storage and go about my life again.

I don't participate in the endless toxicity of this thread, on the hate for BD, on the criticism of this of that and that also... I don't care. There are people here that haven't played WVM in quite a while, but still come here to beat the dead horse of BD unreliability. The way they behave is like they learned that behavior from someone, and don't even consider any other way to express themselves. I don't even read them anymore.

What do I do? Why am I here? Well, I will NEVER claim to be a voice of reason, lol, but I do have a voice. A voice that says that whatever BD makes to WVM, is unable to stop me from loving it. Him? Couldn't care less. I have zero sympathy for him, except for creating WVM and being the sole producer of it, he has no other place in my life, unlike all this people here that seem to have an extremely morbid fixation with him. They dissect his words. They hung on each and every one of his doings. He transcended from person to pet hate.

I find all that so absolutely unnecessary, that it borders on stupidity. I don't read a word he says, I don't care for any date he promises, I don't believe in any excuse he gives, I simply don't want anything from that person, except updates to WVM, when and if he makes them.

I am only here for the game, when there is a game to play. Period.

Peace

You say, "I don't care" and then go on a four-paragraph rant about how much you don't care. Nobody asked nor wanted your input, yet you provided it anyway. When someone "doesn't care" about something they usually don't engage with it, not go insult the people complaining about it by saying what they do is stupid or meaningless.

Yes, everybody here is beating a dead horse, but what you're doing is equally as stupid and meaningless.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Not arguing here, just pointing out... you are right about the ORIGINAL game had a good start... But considering that entire portion is being rewritten, Chapter 1 is now like schrodinger's cat, both good and ruined at the same time.

Secondly, the whole BD might reveal that your father is God thing... I thought that's what the whole weird rich girl boat scene and the tattoos were about. they were pretty much worshiping the MC...

I predict that instead of WVM being Shauna's pick and MC following his best friend there as the reason a rising star would go to this crappy college, now it'll be like Harry Potter. MC gets a mysterious letter saying he has a full ride to this college he's never heard of, his parents went there and his name was on the books since birth. This ties into the billionaires on the yacht and the tattoo and Delilah and whatever because WVM is necessary for MC's destiny to take over the world or some shit.

 

[preglovr12]

This game cant have a good story because it doesnt have a story ever since the Riker plot wrapped up. There's nothing left to overcome for MC except child support. We're not even a tenth of the way though the 365 day plan and the only thing introduced that could count as a plot has been resolved. We know MC can trash their rival team due to the exhibition game. Willabelle's issue with Delilah will be over in 10 seconds after MC meets with her and offers the "peace pipe."

 

[Uthuriel]

This game cant have a good story because it doesnt have a story ever since the Riker plot wrapped up.

The Riker thing never made sense to me.
Dude was just mad for some reason and beat MC up for no reason.

The Rikers plot if one can call it that was peak retarded in any sense of that word.
It makes no sense and was only there for some artificial drama that wasn't need.
BD could have cut Riker from the story and barely anything would change.

 

[preglovr12]

The Riker thing never made no sense to me.
Dude was just mad for some reason and beat MC up for no reason.

The Rikers plot if one can call it was peak retarded in any sense of that word.
It makes no sense and was only there for some artificial drama that wasn't need.
BD could have cut Riker from the story and barely anything would change.

I never said it was a good story, but it was a story.

 

[Black Orchid]

I never said it was a good story, but it was a story.

people tend to overlook the fact that there are thousands of games on F95 and still a majority of said games struggle to meet this simple criteria.

 

[Uthuriel]

people tend to overlook the fact that there are thousands of games on F95 and still a majority of said games struggle to meet this simple criteria.

That's because most devs have the writing skill of a drunk 5 year old... they also don't plan their "stories" ahead and just go with whatever nonsense just pops into their minds...

 

[preglovr12]

people tend to overlook the fact that there are thousands of games on F95 and still a majority of said games struggle to meet this simple criteria.

Stories in most games arent required, there's nothing wrong with you just having a bunch of girls to fuck, but praising a game like that as having a good story is just wrong.

 

[Uthuriel]

Stories in most games arent required, there's nothing wrong with you just having a bunch of girls to fuck, but praising a game like that as having a good story is just wrong.

Nukige tag needed...
By the way... how is that going for you guys... is Sam still sleeping drunk in the server room?

 

[preglovr12]

Nukige tag needed...
By the way... how is that going for you guys... is Sam still sleeping drunk in the server room?

Sam(e) ol' same ol'

 

[Black Orchid]

Stories in most games arent required, there's nothing wrong with you just having a bunch of girls to fuck, but praising a game like that as having a good story is just wrong.

yeah, but it is still surprising how often visual novels struggle with the novel part the most

 

[Uthuriel]

yeah, but it is still surprising how often visual novels struggle with the novel part the most

I'd be more surprised if I start a new VN and it has a good engaging story with fleshed out characters. :shrug:
Those are rare as fuck...

WVM is so far away from good characters and story it's hilarious.
And some games don't need a deep story, they just exist for the fun.

WVM takes itself too serious though.
There are dark themes of child neglect, daddy killing some girl because reasons, war in foreign countries... and then suddenly princess in the basement... yo MC go fuck all the hos at ur college... yo breed them too... what? ur GF wants u to fuck all the hos too so u don't have to cheat... amazing...

The best word I can come up to describe WVMs writing is schizophrenic...

 

[Noid42]

yeah, but it is still surprising how often visual novels struggle with the novel part the most

I'm not too surprised to be honest.
With a lot of projects starting as a solo dev, you need a single person who can write, code, do the art and do all that while holding an actual job.
It's not very surprising most of them are people who can code, figured DAZ and basic photoshop out and know close to nothing when it comes to writing.
Its not a problem too, unless of course you hit the jackpot and decide to go full time while being unable to do it reasonably well and still refuse to hire people to help out while you lie and lie to keep it going.
Well, I guess the money keeps coming in so maybe that's not a problem either, but I honestly think WVM could have been really good if BD hired outside help on time, now its too far gone.

 

[Wen I Say]

I can only speak for myself.

This story, these characters, is still, and I don't think it will ever change, one of my most favorite ones. In spite of the poor managing skills of the creator, he did make something that still stands out among the bevy of games/stories in this site. Did he always make good choices? No. He didn't. Yes, he's guilty of the cardinal sin of not being perfect. He's inconsistent, inconsiderate, unreliable, yes he's all that. I still don't care, and I still have the same feelings for WVM as I've had since the first time I played it. He can remake, redo, turn everyone into quacking Ducks, I don't care. I still love it, I am still waiting, and will keep doing it.

I am not even going to give the second part of your post the dignity of an answer.

Anyone that disagrees with me, feel free to do so. It's your life, do with it what you want.

Peace

Ok, but you never really said the reason it's your favorite VN and story out of all the bangers on this site so, I just have to ask..... ?

 

[Wen I Say]

I'd be more surprised if I start a new VN and it has a good engaging story with fleshed out characters. :shrug:
Those are rare as fuck...

WVM is so far away from good characters and story it's hilarious.
And some games don't need a deep story, they just exist for the fun.

WVM takes itself too serious though.
There are dark themes of child neglect, daddy killing some girl because reasons, war in foreign countries... and then suddenly princess in the basement... yo MC go fuck all the hos at ur college... yo breed them too... what? ur GF wants u to fuck all the hos too so u don't have to cheat... amazing...

The best word I can come up to describe WVMs writing is schizophrenic...

 

[Wen I Say]

ok, I'm caught up, I'll see all of you in another 90 days.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

ok, I'm caught up, I'll see all of you in another 90 days.

That's pretty optimistic. Braindead's fucking the dog so bad he might not even update his excuses by then.

 

[333Playing]

 

[Wolfeszorn]

he´s locked in for several months now. How is anyone still trusting that dude?

 

[Grif1001]

I'd be more surprised if I start a new VN and it has a good engaging story with fleshed out characters. :shrug:
Those are rare as fuck...

WVM is so far away from good characters and story it's hilarious.
And some games don't need a deep story, they just exist for the fun.

WVM takes itself too serious though.
There are dark themes of child neglect, daddy killing some girl because reasons, war in foreign countries... and then suddenly princess in the basement... yo MC go fuck all the hos at ur college... yo breed them too... what? ur GF wants u to fuck all the hos too so u don't have to cheat... amazing...

The best word I can come up to describe WVMs writing is schizophrenic...

Even when there is a story and the writing is done well, people then fuss about everything else. "Why do I have to read so much?" "Why can't I just bang every girl?" "Why can't I bang the 60 year old secretary?" You just can't please everyone. WVM fills a niche. If you want sex every 8th click...This is your game.

I'm not too surprised to be honest.
With a lot of projects starting as a solo dev, you need a single person who can write, code, do the art and do all that while holding an actual job.
It's not very surprising most of them are people who can code, figured DAZ and basic photoshop out and know close to nothing when it comes to writing.
Its not a problem too, unless of course you hit the jackpot and decide to go full time while being unable to do it reasonably well and still refuse to hire people to help out while you lie and lie to keep it going.
Well, I guess the money keeps coming in so maybe that's not a problem either, but I honestly think WVM could have been really good if BD hired outside help on time, now its too far gone.

This is the true struggle, and trust me, it is way harder to make a go of this when your background is a BA in English Lit, 25 year old Photoshop knowledge fron the Art Institute of Dallas, 20 years in business management, and no prior coding experiance at all. This is why as soon as I can actually afford to hire I plan to do so! My 5 year plan is to have 3 teams of 3 each working on a seperate VN that I have already planned and plotted. (I have 16 stories currently waiting to follow my current one.)
The Purpose of a VN should be to tell the story and to COMPLETE it, not drag it out for years. If you get enough support to afford help, by all means hire and speed up production. Should any VN really take more than 3 years to put out if you have a team working on it and not just a solo person? I don't think so. but maybe I'm weird. Maybe I still see this from a consumer view point... Or from a business management one.

I predict that instead of WVM being Shauna's pick and MC following his best friend there as the reason a rising star would go to this crappy college, now it'll be like Harry Potter. MC gets a mysterious letter saying he has a full ride to this college he's never heard of, his parents went there and his name was on the books since birth. This ties into the billionaires on the yacht and the tattoo and Delilah and whatever because WVM is necessary for MC's destiny to take over the world or some shit.

Love this, but I think you may be giving him too much credit as a writer... I'd probably read this then, atleast things would tie together...