VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B6] [Braindrop]

[bluetack_man]

that's the problem, not the fact that he has multiple things happened to him that pushed him into a depression, nope, it's all because patreons are "reinforcing his mental issue."

People act like having mental health issues excuses Braindrops actions, but it really doesn't. You can have mental health issues, depression, ADHD, and still be a liar.

At the end of the day, this is just another broken promise in a long line of broken promises. People like to remind everyone like "oh back in the day he was pumping out content every week", yeah three years ago. The truth is that this game has had constant delays and last minute issues that delay release for over half of its life time.

This is not new behaviour from BD, this is just the way he conducts his business. He is surrounded by an echo-chamber of yes men who tell him to take his time every time he stubs his toe, and its really destroying his reputation.

Yesterday he made a comment on Discord that he was going to just release what he had done (on the 29th as he said he would several weeks ago), but that "he might be busy so hes not sure". Man, you're self-employed, bro. You make your own deadlines. Why would you double book yourself on your big release day, a release day that is supposed to renew your word and make people trust you again? It was either another lie or he has rubbish time-keeping, and neither is really a good excuse.

Yes he clearly has mental health issues, but that doesn't excuse his behaviour. For whatever reason, hes still lying. And yeah the majority of adult-game creators are kids so they have dogshit work ethic and don't care, but that still doesn't really make it ok. Hes earning crazy money on Patreon, more than most of us make, and it is scammy behaviour no matter how you frame it.

The 1st/2nd of July are right around the corner (tomorrow, lol) so we'll just have to wait and see. If he does release something well thats great, and I really hope that he feels like he can. For his sake more than anything.

 

[MadMonk]

Wow, we did not even get a fancy sob story to go with the delay....
Honestly, the game died a year ago, now it is all just on keeping the show up to get a bit more out of it, pausing Patreons every now and then to keep people thinking that something might come, giving dates for 6 months now and some actually still believe them
Nothing new we did not see on this Website done by other Devs countless times before, and it never ended well for the project.

 

[kcaldw]

Why am I not surprised that BD didn't live up to his promise again. At this point they just need to mark this game as abandoned and get it over with because it's obvious that he doesn't want to give any of his fans anything and has lost all the trust that most of us had for him. It's also obvious that he has no respect for us and doesn't want to work on the game anymore.

 

[jbus9]

that's the problem, not the fact that he has multiple things happened to him that pushed him into a depression, nope, it's all because patreons are "reinforcing his mental issue."

You might be retarded and spamming emojis doesn't make your point somehow better.

 

[juan palote]

If anyone really believes that what Braindrop has is a problem of his content being so bad that is not release worthy, then they are delusional

What Braindrop has is fear, he is terrified of releasing the content, so much, that he cant make that decision. That's why he keep making excuses and delays, he is unable to make the decision to release the update, and thats why he has made like 5 polls already about releasing what he has or not.

he needs the decision to be made by someone else because he cant do it himself, but the Patreons he has are unable to realize that and keep pushing him down

 

[kile]

Its 2022 and gumdrop produced more content than braindrop. And im not even surprised.

 

[kcaldw]

We might see a new Elders Scrolls or Star Wars movie before we get an update from this Dev again.

 

[Kassan06969]

We might see a new Elders Scrolls or Star Wars movie before we get an update from this Dev again.

Or a sequel to Ishtar...

 

[Wen I Say]

If anyone really believes that what Braindrop has is a problem of his content being so bad that is not release worthy, then they are delusional

What Braindrop has is fear, he is terrified of releasing the content, so much, that he cant make that decision. That's why he keep making excuses and delays, he is unable to make the decision to release the update, and thats why he has made like 5 polls already about releasing what he has or not.

he needs the decision to be made by someone else because he cant do it himself, but the Patreons he has are unable to realize that and keep pushing him down

Tbh i would have agreed with this post if there was proof that he did anything at all. But as of right now nope I don't think it's fear it's just plain old procrastination. And there is a cult following that exists to enable it so who the fuck knows what's what anymore. Also, everyone is going through something so that whole tired ass "he's down bad" excuse is played out. At some point you need to just say it's you and do better not say "I'll hit it hard tomorrow!" but what can I do right now to change my circumstance? That's the difference between people that have shit to do and get done and people that will meander, gaslight, and blame circumstance. This dude is in the prime of his life making crazy capital has started a family and can provide for said family what is the issue with his life really? If it can't be quantified it's something not worth thinking about everyone in some form or fashion has ADHD and are or was depressed in their life, everyone living today has experienced loss BD isn't special in this regard. That's not to say that he deserves no sympathy but how long is this shit going to go on, how long is the dev going to look for sympathy? Shit, a lot here are less sympathetic with people they actually know so the well has run dry for him as to be expected. Now people just want the results of his 10-month long hiatus which honestly isn't that crazy of a notion since this is how he makes his money so where is the fruit of that almost year-long labor?

 

[Tokenugget]

If anyone really believes that what Braindrop has is a problem of his content being so bad that is not release worthy, then they are delusional

What Braindrop has is fear, he is terrified of releasing the content, so much, that he cant make that decision. That's why he keep making excuses and delays, he is unable to make the decision to release the update, and thats why he has made like 5 polls already about releasing what he has or not.

he needs the decision to be made by someone else because he cant do it himself, but the Patreons he has are unable to realize that and keep pushing him down

Uh, he's making like 20~ grand a month on Patreon.. I'm pretty sure it's far more simplistic than you're claiming.

If anything, He fears ending this game, and losing all those patreons, and having to creating something new that people will enjoy.

 

[MrLKX]

Creative work is a more difficult matter than many people know or acknowledge. I can tell you from my own experience, as well as from observing some devs, that you can very quickly write yourself into a wall because you want too much: too many ideas to work with, too many characters to introduce, and so on.

The current situation reminds me of the classic Simpsons episode, in which Mr. Burns lost his nuclear power plant because of bad business decisions and he surrounded himself with too many yes-men. His patreons, although they mean well, realize that BD needs to be pushed kindly but firmly in the direction of just sending his content to his beta testers and then fixing potential bugs according to the reports and then just releasing what he has. There is a relatively appropriate expression: The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[Evan Treborn]

over one year without updates and there is no "abandoned" or "onhold" tag?

 

[Irgendwie Irgendwo]

over one year without updates and there is no "abandoned" or "onhold" tag?

That's not how the tags on this site work.

 

[MadMonk]

That's not how the tags on this site work.

They should, 8 months without any updates, slap that abandoned tag on and lock comments.

 

[Coochiesurgeon]

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that there was supposedly a 1400-2000 render update completed in january (6 months ago) now apparently it's 300-700 renders yet people can't see the woods for the trees? Theres a lot of talk about his mental state, about whether hes lying or not but we don't have access to his mind so we'll never know for cetain, but the numbers don't lie, you're free to interpret them however you like but us mathematicians can see something aint adding up.

 

[StantheMan69]

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that there was supposedly a 1400-2000 render update completed in january (6 months ago) now apparently it's 300-700 renders yet people can't see the woods for the trees? Theres a lot of talk about his mental state, about whether hes lying or not but we don't have access to his mind so we'll never know for cetain, but the numbers don't lie, you're free to interpret them however you like but us mathematicians can see something aint adding up.

I agree, he has been saying for months now that an update has been nearly finished and there is always some reason for delaying it. He might be telling the truth. He might be lying (Only he will know), it doesn't really matter. If he is telling the truth and having all these issues. Maybe it time to either put the game on hold or hire someone to take over. At least until he can get himself back to a place where he can take back over or pick back up and actually deliver some updates. I do not see anything changing in the near future and don't see us getting any update, so long as his patreon supporter keep helping him put it off.

I hope I am wrong, but right now it just seems like all he is going to keep doing is pausing the pledges. Until he needs more money. Than if we are lucky, He will release and update. Un-pause the pledge telling everyone how hard he is working on the game for a few months. Then when another update is getting close to being finished. He'll come up with a reason to delay until people start question stuff. Pause the pledges again and claim he going to keep working as hard and ever on the game, but can't justify taking peoples money when it has been so long without an update. Than months later he'll do it all over again.

Once again I hope I am wrong, but this is how I am starting to feel.

 

[Beerus]

but the numbers don't lie, you're free to interpret them however you like but us mathematicians can see something aint adding up.

See Braindrop, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.

 

[Mirewen]

I've been reading this thread for some time.. A long time too...
And the time has come for me to leave some comments myself.
bd clearly told everybody he has mental issues.
If you encounter IRL anybody with mental problems, know that YOU can't solve anything.
the only thing you can do is listen....
a professional also only listens.... and can show someone the way to solving issues...
Not by giving advice in a manner like I would do this, or you should do that...
but by listening to the problem and how the thinking proces of the subject is at this moment and trying to change THAT PROCES.
he/she is the ONLY one that can solve any issues him/her self.

to braindrop: Don't listen to anyone. here or on patreon.
Get some professional help if possible.
Leave this game for what it is at the moment and think about yourself and your mental health first!
there will come a time that making computer games will be fun again. but clearly not now, and not in the near future.
solve your mental issues first!
to hell with all the people who give you (well meant) advice. Nobody can solve your problems. only you can yourself.

I sincerely hope you get well soon

 

[bluetack_man]

I've been reading this thread for some time.. A long time too...
And the time has come for me to leave some comments myself.
First to all the whiners about updates and the timetables.... you should just STFU.
bd clearly told everybody he has mental issues.
If you encounter IRL anybody with mental problems, know that YOU can't solve anything.
the only thing you can do is listen....
a professional also only listens.... and can show someone the way to solving issues...
Not by giving advice in a manner like I would do this, or you should do that...
but by listening to the problem and how the thinking proces of the subject is at this moment and trying to change THAT PROCES.
he/she is the ONLY one that can solve any issues him/her self.

to braindrop: Don't listen to anyone. here or on patreon.
Get some professional help if possible.
Leave this game for what it is at the moment and think about yourself and your mental health first!
there will come a time that making computer games will be fun again. but clearly not now, and not in the near future.
solve your mental issues first!
to hell with all the people who give you (well meant) advice. Nobody can solve your problems. only you can yourself.

I sincerely hope you get well soon

The only thing to do is listen.... and give him money right? Keep that dollar dollar coming, yo.

I dont think anyone here is saying that BD shouldn't be listened to - in fact most people are saying he needs HELP. Professional help, not just people listening to him in discord.

But what we are saying is that he shouldn't get paid to drag his feet. This project should be paused properly, stop the scammy behaviour.

 

[Mirewen]

The only thing to do is listen.... and give him money right? Keep that dollar dollar coming, yo.

I dont think anyone here is saying that BD shouldn't be listened to - in fact most people are saying he needs HELP. Professional help, not just people listening to him in discord.

But what we are saying is that he shouldn't get paid to drag his feet. This project should be paused properly, stop the scammy behaviour.

people like you keep his problems alive.
he wants to keep on pleasing his patreons and followers. you can stop your payments yourself. so stop whining about money.