- Mar 10, 2017
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It's an issue that pretty much turns a job into a welfare check. As long as the developer keeps getting paid even when he isn't producing, then what is the incentive to work at all?
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- Jul 6, 2021
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given the money he has made, he should not receive a single penny for making the 'remake'. patrons and subscriber star subbers should abandon him, stop subbing.
- Dec 9, 2017
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it has been almost 2 years since i played this game. how the mighty have fallen 
still remember the weekly and biweekly updates.
well i dont think the "evil modders" will ever appear. but thats just me
still remember the weekly and biweekly updates.well i dont think the "evil modders" will ever appear. but thats just me
So, it's been exactly a year, and we got ~600 renders total, in two updates, and a >200 render censored side-story/mini-game.
Why do all the big VN projects always follow the same pattern- start off with good premise and content, updates get more ambitious, release frequency gets lower, updates get delayed because of problems, excuses are given for said delays, and rinse and repeat? I'm not saying that all these devs are liars, but it feels like there are more cases of "excuses and delays" than there are of regularly updated VNs.
Plus, it's not even like this is a hobby/part-time or a passion project, some of these big VNs earn enough to make a decent living without having the need for any other job. At some point you have to treat it like a job, and provide consistent and regular updates to your supporters; but that's sadly, never the case. On the other hand, devs of smaller and less popular VNs, who don't earn as much, still provide consistent updates and stick to their release schedules.
What happened to having a good work ethic and taking responsibility? I mean, that's the goal right; to get to a point where you can live off of solely producing VNs? Many developers of these big and popular VNs have likely reached that goal. So, why stay consistent and be genuine, when you can make a living with minimal work.
The times when BD paused his payments, I doubt he was working any other full-time or part-time job. He was probably managing fine with the money he saved up, earning profitably from just releasing a handful of updates a year.
Maybe I'm just an asshole who assumes too much, and I could be entirely wrong; BD could be the most genuine and hard-working person with just a lot of bad luck and problems. Who knows, only you can be the judge...
PS- I'm well aware of this being a pirate site and I'm grateful for the free smut, but seeing scores of: abandoned projects, rampant delays and indefinite problems for all the good VNs, just sucks.
Why do all the big VN projects always follow the same pattern- start off with good premise and content, updates get more ambitious, release frequency gets lower, updates get delayed because of problems, excuses are given for said delays, and rinse and repeat? I'm not saying that all these devs are liars, but it feels like there are more cases of "excuses and delays" than there are of regularly updated VNs.
Plus, it's not even like this is a hobby/part-time or a passion project, some of these big VNs earn enough to make a decent living without having the need for any other job. At some point you have to treat it like a job, and provide consistent and regular updates to your supporters; but that's sadly, never the case. On the other hand, devs of smaller and less popular VNs, who don't earn as much, still provide consistent updates and stick to their release schedules.
What happened to having a good work ethic and taking responsibility? I mean, that's the goal right; to get to a point where you can live off of solely producing VNs? Many developers of these big and popular VNs have likely reached that goal. So, why stay consistent and be genuine, when you can make a living with minimal work.
The times when BD paused his payments, I doubt he was working any other full-time or part-time job. He was probably managing fine with the money he saved up, earning profitably from just releasing a handful of updates a year.
Maybe I'm just an asshole who assumes too much, and I could be entirely wrong; BD could be the most genuine and hard-working person with just a lot of bad luck and problems. Who knows, only you can be the judge...
PS- I'm well aware of this being a pirate site and I'm grateful for the free smut, but seeing scores of: abandoned projects, rampant delays and indefinite problems for all the good VNs, just sucks.
- Sep 28, 2021
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Sadly, none. A big issue with donations is it incentivizes milking. Not all devs will, but the option is always there for those with the right fanbase.
- Apr 1, 2019
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If you finish a game people might cancel + you have to actually work. If you dont finish it you can earn money for less work. They're probably doing drugs/drinking etc. Some people have never been financially well off and just spend spend spend.So, it's been exactly a year, and we got ~600 renders total, in two updates, and a >200 render censored side-story/mini-game.
Why do all the big VN projects always follow the same pattern- start off with good premise and content, updates get more ambitious, release frequency gets lower, updates get delayed because of problems, excuses are given for said delays, and rinse and repeat? I'm not saying that all these devs are liars, but it feels like there are more cases of "excuses and delays" than there are of regularly updated VNs.
One of the most notorious scammers, the creator of dual family, gumdrop (similar name lol) pulled updates as soon he hit the climax which kept his patrons hooked longer in the desperate hope he would finish it.
- Jun 19, 2019
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How many badges do you want Boy Scout? Yikes!it has been almost 2 years since i played this game. how the mighty have fallen
well i dont think the "evil modders" will ever appear. but thats just me
- Apr 18, 2019
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Size/speed of the updates aside, there's just something about playing WVM that always feels so good to me. I can look at a couple other games and think that they may technically be better than WVM, but there's no other game that I enjoy playing more than WVM. It just feels different in a pleasing way. Really enjoyed this update, like always.
- Jan 3, 2021
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Okay, why in the hell does Season 2 start out with the main cast re-hashing their backstories to each other like they're complete strangers?
- May 28, 2017
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There are a few reasons for this. The obvious negative one is greed that patrons continue paying even if the dev doesn't produce result. Then the bad dev took advantage of this by simply being lazy and took the money.
The more legitimate reason is that the game blew up bigger than the dev originally thought, then the dev had no idea how to progress/conclude the game due to the high expectation. It's easy enough to come up with a very basic incest story starring MC, mom, older sister, younger sister, but it's a whole different ballgame to figure out what the plot would be and how they're going to keep the players engaged to reach a satisfying conclusion. That's why what was originally monthly update started with a delay of 1-2 weeks that grew into an extra month delay, and before we know it 4-week update has become every 6-8 weeks, 3-4 months, and eventually 6+ months.
Though legitimate reasoning, part of why this is becoming more and more often is because there are hardcore fans who would die for the devs and not willing to hold them accountable. Excuse like "next update will be ready when it's ready" is being thrown as if it's a positive thing so pirates don't get angry if the dev missed the original release date. But it completely missed the point that deadline should be made after careful consideration based on the amount of work that needs to be done, so constantly missing deadlines (and at times by A LOT) simply means that the dev has problem in the development of the game because they couldn't hit the target that they set themselves. These fans basically enabled the behavior of the dev.
Note that my above comment doesn't apply to devs who legitimately have IRL issues (health/family are always more important than making porn game) and/or those who pause payment more than the delay (at least honest enough to admit breaking deadline is bad and therefore worth less income).
Wait do you have to restart all over again? Like do old save files not work anymore?
old files work just fine (mine worked and I didn't play since october last year (skipped the prior beta)
- Jun 24, 2021
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Dr. Pink Cake finished Acting Lessons. As a result, people got interested in Being a Dik, and now it's one of the most popular games on the site.
Classy Lemon finished After the Inferno, now that he started with Projekt Passion, he gained more following. (Also, it's awesome to see how much he improved, and the story is great).
PhillyGames finished Depraved awakening, now people are interested and invested in City of Broken Dreamers.
Caribdis finished Once in a Lifetime, now that they started with Eternum, this game has become the most popular.
I don't know why it seems like BD seems to be scared to finish this VN. Someone in the thread said they're afraid that once the story finish, the subs will simply leave. However, I mentioned examples of authors that not only finished their games, but they also started a second VN, they all visibly got better (they now have better renders and models), and of course they gained new subs because they showed their fans they're constant and reliable.
That, I'm afraid, reacquires commitment, hard work, focusing and just demonstrating their intentions with actions and not just words. Not every dev knows how to be professional, sadly.
Classy Lemon finished After the Inferno, now that he started with Projekt Passion, he gained more following. (Also, it's awesome to see how much he improved, and the story is great).
PhillyGames finished Depraved awakening, now people are interested and invested in City of Broken Dreamers.
Caribdis finished Once in a Lifetime, now that they started with Eternum, this game has become the most popular.
I don't know why it seems like BD seems to be scared to finish this VN. Someone in the thread said they're afraid that once the story finish, the subs will simply leave. However, I mentioned examples of authors that not only finished their games, but they also started a second VN, they all visibly got better (they now have better renders and models), and of course they gained new subs because they showed their fans they're constant and reliable.
That, I'm afraid, reacquires commitment, hard work, focusing and just demonstrating their intentions with actions and not just words. Not every dev knows how to be professional, sadly.
- Jul 14, 2017
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Jesus what a piece of shit this vn is
Mad props to the dev tho having so many supporters for the low quality dump hes making is extremely impressive
Mad props to the dev tho having so many supporters for the low quality dump hes making is extremely impressive
So the dev releases a short update after a year of nothing and then announces that they are remaking their game in 2023... welp that's it I guess, it was fun while it lasted...