VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch.1 Ep.13 F] [Braindrop]

[GingerbreadMan]

not me, i don't feel that supporting VN devs is worth it at all. sure, there are some good ones out there that update pretty often, but playing those frequent updates usually takes all of 10 mins. waste of time imo. lately, i am finding myself playing VN's less and less. and i could care less about waiting for updates now.

A few years ago I was supporting quite a few devs. But back then, most games were updated monthly or bi-monthly and I could keep track of what was going on without having to dig through discords and the like.

Now I'm only supporting a few, that I really like / trust in.

Back then, if a dev was reliable and consistent, with a few exceptions, a game could be completed in a year or two.

I understand hardware got better and everyone wants their visuals to look the best - but if an update takes 6-12 months, a game with 10 updates, means an investment of 60-120 months until it's done.
Even with the most reliable person in the world - who can say what will happen in the next 5-10 years, good or bad.

If I just wanted some nice images, I wouldn't need a VN, and if I just wanted some erratic episodic stuff, I wouldn't wait half a year or a whole for it.
But if I want a story, and a finished product that is good overall and somewhat consistent in style and visuals - those timeframes are more often than not killing the project - in regards to technical improvements, the dev losing interest, or life turning an unexpected turn - and it would be the same for me.

I still come around, quite (too) often actually - but getting an update is more like a nice surprise these days.

 

[Farspire]

To look at the state of things now....

I remember back when this launched and the hype around it. Krypt Angel with his Baileys in the thread, Lemon with his birthdays for the girls.

Regular updates were a big win for him back then, brought a lot of support. Didn't take too long to start going to shit.

Ego grew, excuses poured in and now it's a complete mess.

I remember the devs 5 year plan for the game. 5 years which is up next month. I thought back then if it gets anywhere close to a complete game in 5 years i'd be shocked. Now i'd be shocked if an update came out on time. I don't think it will ever see completion now. Doesn't matter how much I enjoy the games content, much like a few other devs on here i've got zero faith in them being able to finish what they started.

It's funny, when this all started ole Brain had solid gold on his hands, the potential was through the roof and damn near all the playerbase was happy or a degree of happy.

I've got no idea how solid gold managed to melt into a puddle of piss but that's what were standing in now. Gonna take a lot of work to mop it up and it's getting that work donw I don't have any faith in. Seems content to do the minimum once in a blue moon but that won't cut it any more.

That support will only stick around for so long and once it's gone it's damned hard to get it back.

That's just one gals opinion though, i'm sure he knows what he's doing ..... heh, almost managed to say that without giggling.

Agreed 100% once the support and donations are gone getting them back is next to impossible. A few diehards will cling like with summertime saga.. the tech update was supposed to come out 2 years ago... still not done. As for WVM, the lack of updates is one reason i stopped my patron on it. While i was all for supporting it, I couldnt justify 80$ for a 100 render update 4 months late :/

 

[karumi56]

A few years ago I was supporting quite a few devs. But back then, most games were updated monthly or bi-monthly and I could keep track of what was going on without having to dig through discords and the like.

Now I'm only supporting a few, that I really like / trust in.

Back then, if a dev was reliable and consistent, with a few exceptions, a game could be completed in a year or two.

I understand hardware got better and everyone wants their visuals to look the best - but if an update takes 6-12 months, a game with 10 updates, means an investment of 60-120 months until it's done.
Even with the most reliable person in the world - who can say what will happen in the next 5-10 years, good or bad.

This is why I don't see an end for WMV in the future. After 5 years look at where the game is at. Would anyone say the story seems to be at a halfway point? Not even remotely close. How many years will it take to get to some semblance of completion?

I think as others have repeatedly stated, at this point WMV is a money faucet. There is absolutely no incentive for BD to ever complete the game. If he did, what are the odds of him having a second successful game to support his new lifestyle?

The sad reality is the early "golden age" of western AVNs has passed. All the spare time people had while cooped up at home due to a global pandemic is over, and now people who want to make a game as a "hobby" have to balance life/work/development a lot more. So "hobby" games come out in slow trickles.

The next group of devs are the wannabe "professionals", who make a game, do an update or two, and then drop it and start again (often under a different name) if the first, second, whatever try wasn't an instant money maker. Sadly some of these games are really promising, but never to be updated, let alone completed.

Then there are the milkers. Devs who make a game, get an audience, and then ghost it while still collecting their Patreon deposits, or do an update every blue moon to make the game still feel like it's under development. Part of this group are the perpetual "Re-work/remake" crowd, who re-do the same content multiple times, or stop further development of an almost finished game to go back to the beginning. This group has grown a lot since AVNs took off on Steam, a source of income for recycled AVNs.

If you had to guess which category BD belongs to, what would it be? Funny enough he considers himself alternatively a hobbyist or a professional...

 

[StopMeIfYouCan]

To look at the state of things now....

I remember back when this launched and the hype around it. Krypt Angel with his Baileys in the thread, Lemon with his birthdays for the girls.

Regular updates were a big win for him back then, brought a lot of support. Didn't take too long to start going to shit.

Ego grew, excuses poured in and now it's a complete mess.

I remember the devs 5 year plan for the game. 5 years which is up next month. I thought back then if it gets anywhere close to a complete game in 5 years i'd be shocked. Now i'd be shocked if an update came out on time. I don't think it will ever see completion now. Doesn't matter how much I enjoy the games content, much like a few other devs on here i've got zero faith in them being able to finish what they started.

It's funny, when this all started ole Brain had solid gold on his hands, the potential was through the roof and damn near all the playerbase was happy or a degree of happy.

I've got no idea how solid gold managed to melt into a puddle of piss but that's what were standing in now. Gonna take a lot of work to mop it up and it's getting that work donw I don't have any faith in. Seems content to do the minimum once in a blue moon but that won't cut it any more.

That support will only stick around for so long and once it's gone it's damned hard to get it back.

That's just one gals opinion though, i'm sure he knows what he's doing ..... heh, almost managed to say that without giggling.

After seeing this 5 year plan i remembered something that i wrote in 1 August 2022


People forgets this was 5 year project and he extended to 10 years. I said it earlier go to ur own tailors and ask them for bigger pockets. The supporters gonna need it. This thread almost created 3 years ago.

Here is the (un)funny truth. This game about basketball and we haven't seen a single basketball game yet. In a 3 year period we're still at early chapters on story according to dev. Plot is not moving, game not getting updated. But still people praises him. I just can't make any sense any of this.

Lets compare him with another dev;

For example there is a game called Nursing Back to Pleasure by Daniels K. Almost in a year (13 months) he completed his game. He already completed 9 other games. He's got only 1.3k patreon.

Comparing to BD this guys deserves at least 10k+ patreon.


2 years from that Fastforward to today nothing has changed.

 

[shamtiiomi]

After seeing this 5 year plan i remembered something that i wrote in 1 August 2022


People forgets this was 5 year project and he extended to 10 years. I said it earlier go to ur own tailors and ask them for bigger pockets. The supporters gonna need it. This thread almost created 3 years ago.

Here is the (un)funny truth. This game about basketball and we haven't seen a single basketball game yet. In a 3 year period we're still at early chapters on story according to dev. Plot is not moving, game not getting updated. But still people praises him. I just can't make any sense any of this.

Lets compare him with another dev;

For example there is a game called Nursing Back to Pleasure by Daniels K. Almost in a year (13 months) he completed his game. He already completed 9 other games. He's got only 1.3k patreon.

Comparing to BD this guys deserves at least 10k+ patreon.


2 years from that Fastforward to today nothing has changed.

spmething off topic here really fast daniels .k games have a bug problem for ppl like me ....he put lot of Li's for option and odnt give to any of those 9 games a harem ending so ,is easy for me to say no to him even if he is prolific and also trusthworthy,....by definition of many here who says 6 to q3 months updates are dont go anywhere....digi do that ,and i dont see anyone complain about if he will be able to finsih the game,....thats the other thing why i dont pledge to game who receive once a year updates not matther how big is the dev.... and i love many devs works who update once at year or alsmot 6 to 12 months...but never pledge to them ,...

 

[Mcknobz33]

did he also miss the spreadsheet update for today too

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

 

[Reniere]

It's Funny that he has 2updates already done and "tweaking" "ahead of schedule"
Yet nothing has been presented.

 

[LordWanze]

To be fair there are a lot of devoted devs on this side.
Fighting to get by while frequently delivering content.
Getting harassed by unjustified accusations because of scammers like BD.
I support some of those and one major reason for that is their communication.

And I'm still certain that if BD would (re)discover his motivation back and actually start working on the game, it would still be an enjoyable outcome.
But I don't believe they will. Because once you go down the path of laziness and lies, it is quite hard to find back to a somewhat respectable behavior.
In a way I pitty them. I would loathe to look back and see that I scammed the goodwill of people with faerie tales of family problems, health issues and helping others.

 

[hawker008]

anything new?

 

[edgebravesteam]

anything new?

he's currently working on his next excuse

 

[hic86]

he's currently working on his next excuse

Expect it to be delayed too, though.

 

[Blueray]

This Sucks

 

[Easylovin84]

So the update that was almost done and was supposed to be out 2 weekends ago will be out next weekend probably maybe? Got it. Who the fuck is still giving him money?? 'Cause I have a bridge they might be interested in.

After seeing this 5 year plan i remembered something that i wrote in 1 August 2022


People forgets this was 5 year project and he extended to 10 years. I said it earlier go to ur own tailors and ask them for bigger pockets. The supporters gonna need it. This thread almost created 3 years ago.

Here is the (un)funny truth. This game about basketball and we haven't seen a single basketball game yet. In a 3 year period we're still at early chapters on story according to dev. Plot is not moving, game not getting updated. But still people praises him. I just can't make any sense any of this.

Lets compare him with another dev;

For example there is a game called Nursing Back to Pleasure by Daniels K. Almost in a year (13 months) he completed his game. He already completed 9 other games. He's got only 1.3k patreon.

Comparing to BD this guys deserves at least 10k+ patreon.


2 years from that Fastforward to today nothing has changed.

Let's not get crazy daniels.k does finish games but he has the worst endings ever so really, he shouldn't have as many patreons as bd, bd should just have less

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

Let's not get crazy daniels.k does finish games but he has the worst endings ever so really, he shouldn't have as many patreons as bd, bd should just have less

Yea deff have to agree about D.K. having terrible endings, I havent even touched his new game yet as I just dont want to go through the entire story to be disappointed at the end again, they are also just starting to feel way too similar to each other now.

 

[shamtiiomi]

Yea deff have to agree about D.K. having terrible endings, I havent even touched his new game yet as I just dont want to go through the entire story to be disappointed at the end again, they are also just starting to feel way too similar to each other now.

yeah but like not many he does tell ppl before commit to the game that he is not doing harem games.....at least he is honest abou that

 

[K18]

July 24 is here for most, Happy Birthday Millie!

 

[Rockero_69]

he's currently working on his next excuse

I don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore?

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

 

[StopMeIfYouCan]

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Don't throw the poisonous dart of play testing. The update play testing for months.