VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch.1 Ep.13 F] [Braindrop]

[GingerbreadMan]

But wasn't the S1 rework first announced, because the pacing was bad? Thus 10 or so days became a month... then he did 2-3 "normal" days, at least for the pacing, and now he notices that the pacing is bad....

So, after E14 or 15 (in 1-2 years, perhaps?) it will be S2 rework, and another handful of unknown characters just saying hi?

It's kind of genius, right?

Instead of starting anew, he just goes 'forget S1 you just played, in my head it happened differently', effectively starting a new game midway with S2 (completely ignoring there is nothing there signifying an S1 or S2, other than S2 is not part of the supposed rework, aka Game 2).

He could pull the same again, doing a new game, I mean S3, just telling people S1+2 aren't canon anymore, because they are different in his head. So we get an S3, which is basically a new game starting around 50+X% in, with no one having a clue about anything.

It's genius really, he gets money for developing a game in his head and then showing select scenes based on that without explanation.

 

[GingerbreadMan]

I am suprised the mod haven’t mass deleted the last couple hundred pages of this thread for going off topic

This thread officially has no moderation anymore. The mods are fed up with BD as well.

 

[KaelaTolvaris]

If some of what he's saying is true (and I think at least some of it is, at least in spirit), shit's even more funny than I thought because apparently he thought he was writing great dialog and storylines and drama before? the delulu is real let's be honest my man, maybe we kind of liked the characters and their relationships in the beginning but no one (I would hope) was ever here for the great poetry of this fuck-fest

 

[ViperGts151]

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he's now moved on to negging everyone so that when he does eventually release something they'll heap praise on him

 

[GingerbreadMan]

If some of what he's saying is true (and I think at least some of it is, at least in spirit), shit's even more funny than I thought because apparently he thought he was writing great dialog and storylines and drama before? the delulu is real let's be honest my man, maybe we kind of liked the characters and their relationships in the beginning but no one (I would hope) was ever here for the great poetry of this fuck-fest

Going with the idea that he started out legit (which I think as well), I guess it is more like that he wanted to have more than porn plot and have a real overarching story - which was kind of true until the bowling alley event, even with the whole thing going downhill there already.

But he kept adding side chicks - be it to cover he wasn't able to create that overarching story like he wanted, or because he really wanted to have that many LIs.

So in the end, even if he had an idea of how to continue the story, the sheer size of the pool of LIs prevents him (and would anyone if no LI is to be dropped I guess) going anywhere with it now.

From that angle it makes sense he lost his drive - he can't continue the game he wanted to do, but he also doesn't want to lose his income.
And doing a whole new game now is a risk to the latter.

 

[jamdan]

If some of what he's saying is true (and I think at least some of it is, at least in spirit), shit's even more funny than I thought because apparently he thought he was writing great dialog and storylines and drama before? the delulu is real let's be honest my man, maybe we kind of liked the characters and their relationships in the beginning but no one (I would hope) was ever here for the great poetry of this fuck-fest

Back in the day there were many debates about the story/characters. Not to say it was great, but interesting enough to talk about.

Flash forward to today, and all of that is gone. Mainly due to the game having about 35 characters too many. If he actually is trying to write a semi-serious story, having that many characters is a nightmare. Eventually they all blend together and we (and I'm sure BD as well) can't even tell them apart anymore. Probably why he began naming them after colors and other random things.

On the topic of reworks, he shouldn't rework the start. He should revert back to when the cast was only like 10-15 LI's and start from there again. Pretend everything past that was a fever dream that didn't actually happen.

 

[GingerbreadMan]

Back in the day there were many debates about the story/characters. Not to say it was great, but interesting enough to talk about.

Flash forward to today, and all of that is gone. Mainly due to the game having about 35 characters too many. If he actually is trying to write a semi-serious story, having that many characters is a nightmare. Eventually they all blend together and we (and I'm sure BD as well) can't even tell them apart anymore. Probably why he began naming them after colors and other random things.

On the topic of reworks, he shouldn't rework the start. He should revert back to when the cast was only like 10-15 LI's and start from there again. Pretend everything past that was a fever dream that didn't actually happen.

Can't put my finger on exactly where (too long I played WVM), but before the bowling alley event or a couple of updates before that would be where I would revert to if I wanted to get this on track again.

I was on board with his first assessment though, that the whole start was way too cramped, and stretching out everything to that point might be a good thing - if only so that if continued with that slower pace, there was no break in the overall pace.
So I was in favor of the remake when it was announced and am not sure if there really is a good point to revert to based on that.
At least if we aren't talking to revert to the very beginning which would basically be that remake ...

 

[Shouki]

It's kind of genius, right?

Instead of starting anew, he just goes 'forget S1 you just played, in my head it happened differently', effectively starting a new game midway with S2 (completely ignoring there is nothing there signifying an S1 or S2, other than S2 is not part of the supposed rework, aka Game 2).

He could pull the same again, doing a new game, I mean S3, just telling people S1+2 aren't canon anymore, because they are different in his head. So we get an S3, which is basically a new game starting around 50+X% in, with no one having a clue about anything.

It's genius really, he gets money for developing a game in his head and then showing select scenes based on that without explanation.

And with your other comment included to this, with the too many LIs, he could even go inception with the "resets".
Too many LIs? It was just a dream... Then he goes on with his happy-go-lucky theme, starts to fck everything that moves again, he notices that it is really similar to the dream he had.... and then wakes up again, weirded out that he dreamt that, swears it wont happen, and starts again.
It could even be somewhat interesting, if written right.

 

[aaachris]

He is a scammer, grifter, conman and everything else you can name trump. Absolutely shameless and unprofessional. I don't believe anything about his wife, kids, grandpa and all the other stories he made up one after another.

 

[Bloker997]

So we're getting update today, right? RIGHT?

 

[AlterdStates7]

So we're getting update today, right? RIGHT?

Genuinely, it'll genuinely be out by midnight. Genuinely he's genuinely sorry for the delay and he genuinely knows he has to genuinely do better... Genuine

 

[tslojr]

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he's now moved on to negging everyone so that when he does eventually release something they'll heap praise on him

Nice to see he's moved on to from the BS about the game not compiling excuse he's used since missing the August 10th deadline.




Oh, wait, never mind. He's gone back to the "not being happy with the writing" excuse he used from February to August.

 

[Akabakka]

If some of what he's saying is true (and I think at least some of it is, at least in spirit), shit's even more funny than I thought because apparently he thought he was writing great dialog and storylines and drama before? the delulu is real let's be honest my man, maybe we kind of liked the characters and their relationships in the beginning but no one (I would hope) was ever here for the great poetry of this fuck-fest

Yeah this is the part that gets me in stitches and calling it CAPS . My man wrote a game with 82 hrs days , people that keeps hugging every 5 minutes , praising MC like a deranged cult , a MC that kept moving houses for the first few days , a basketball team without even enough people to start a match or even train etc ... and wanna act like Stanley Kubrick over updates . All while refusing to fix some glaring visual issues like the black box and weird duck faces . There is no way it's true

 

[isnt NaN]

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In a binary world the dude saying "just leave" would be king however it doesn't take in account sunk cost fallacy; be it time, money, trust (...the list goes on) people have invested.

Some people just haven't reached the point (yet) where their evaluation of the situation outweighs their "investment" and vent their frustrations because of that.

can't speak matter of fact on the following so i'll say from a personal note; for me things such as dishonesty, bending of facts or otherwise not sticking to prior made statements/promises is one of the first things that tips my metaphorical scales to take my losses and gtfo.

Even having said all that; it's what made stop supporting development however if WVM ever does come to an honest 1.0 full release i'll be one of the first in line getting a copy.

Yes i know.. ass backwards, that's the wonderful thing called the human condition.

 

[armion82]

Yeah, it's what I've been saying for years now, but when I brought up how there were too many characters and they needed to get reduced drastically, people jumped on me for even suggesting lowering the amount of girls mc can have. Now as I brought up way back when, the creator has essentially wrote himself into a corner and can't get out of it without either doing what could be considered game suicide or essentially starting from scratch with the remake (and hopefully the remake will get rid of damn near every side chick and focus on 5-10 total). That is of course if he's being honest about the "remake" (which as we've seen over the past few years, probably doesn't even exist and is just another excuse for him to not keep his word).

Just Tier 1 characters are enough for a very good first game.
After all with the Jamie,Shauna,Willow,Wendy and Azel that will make it 15 women.

 

[shamtiiomi]

I thought the name "Skummy" was familiar. And it was.

This is probably the same person who defended BlueCat in the Ecchi Sensei thread for years.

Some people never learn, I guess.

https://f95zone.to/search/400874885/?c[users]=Skummy+Ecchi&o=date

yeah but the diference between that dev and this one is ,...i lost the connection with my thoughts....well that one was crazy enough to do a one day update each time,......crazy fucjer thats was an impossible mission from the start,....this one well is all in his head that we totally know as true facts now but man ,...what a bunch of pussies in the discord,....and he is lucky we dontknow where he lives......and im 2 mins aeay to send the game to some friend to ask for a incest patch .......i really hop for the sake of everyone someone can close his patron.......

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

Just woke up to this shit show lmao the discord is going fucking nuts right now its on slow mode with a 6 fucking hour pause, BD just doesnt even try anymore. I mean dude has used every excuse on the bingo card and is still coming up with new ones. I mean now he doesnt want to release it because it has Too much sex and every other word is a moan......... WTF dude just come out and say you dont have an update because that is the most bitch boy excuse I have ever heard.

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

Lmao yea so now no one can talk on the discord

 

[Wolfeszorn]

yeah but the diference between that dev and this one is ,...i lost the connection with my thoughts....well that one was crazy enough to do a one day update each time,......crazy fucjer thats was an impossible mission from the start,....this one well is all in his head that we totally know as true facts now but man ,...what a bunch of pussies in the discord,....and he is lucky we dontknow where he lives......and im 2 mins aeay to send the game to some friend to ask for a incest patch .......i really hop for the sake of everyone someone can close his patron.......

ya know, I love shittalking BD and i´m usually not a fan of anything else, BUT in BD´s case i´m going to make an exception. I really hope he´s going to get cancelled at some point. If we can´t get a scam tag for this game and that´s the only way to make him stop milking, i´m down for at least that option

 

[Niuul]

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Kinda hilarious when devs write themselves in to a corner by having way too many god damn LI. Then they act shocked and all "how could this happen!?" when their story is full of plot holes and pacing issues. The whole tour bus bullshit with even more 'yes/no' to characters that were in no way needed and then the yacht.

It's just too much. Has been for a long time. Just not enough time to write stuff for all these characters let alone the core cast at this point.