VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch.1 Ep.13 F] [Braindrop]

[Spfjolietjake]

While I hate the actions he took against women, I do not wish death upon anyone even Ryker. I would rather see him suffer more slowly like in prison where Bubba takes a liking to him in the shower and shows him why you don't mess with women.

Fine 80% agree then

but if ryker happened to die i wouldn't flinch or shed a single tear, just saying

 

[thorin0815]

No judgments on your personal choice.

Most people don't have other options for medical treatment it is either you have the money/insurance or no treatment. When you don't have the money or insurance you look for any means necessary to get it taken care of for a family member (well for those family members you love).

So does being poor justify any crime/deed? If someone threatens the lives of my loved ones, I would be the first to take countermeasures, but the MC never harmed him, on the contrary, he welcomed him warmly into his circle of friends. Of course, I can theoretically understand his concern for his mother, but that doesn't justify his behavior.

 

[Dazzier31]

Because the MC has shown he cares about everyone especially when it comes to family. He said he would do anything to keep them safe. The MC has helped out so many people that he just met that week. Even people who upset his GF, because he is a nice guy and nice guys always look for the best in people even when they do something wrong.

On the other hand, one of the lessons the MC needs to learn and that the girls keep telling him is that he ain't Atlas to carry the world in his shoulders, so I think that may come into play with that choice of forgiving him or not, specially since at the end of the day, he was among those who put Mama Azel in danger.

I really love the debates here, always nice.

 

[Jace325]

The MC has only known the guy for a week and in that time Damien has spied on him, reported to Ryker about the MC, and aided criminals in carrying out an assault on people including the MC. Why would the MC invest more time in Damien?

Yes, Damien’s family is more important than the MC but at the same time the MC has to think the same thing about his family. Damien may be redeemable but why would the MC be the one to redeem him? A week isn’t enough time to build that deep a connection that would allow the MC to trust him a third time. And the MC has some very vulnerable people in his family.

Damien probably doesn't deserve MC to redeem him, but MC may be the one person with the resources and motivation to do it. MC is also the fictional wish-fulfillment of being the nicest most caring person on the planet.

 

[Uncle Loco]

Fine 80% agree then

but if ryker happened to die i wouldn't flinch or shed a single tear, just saying

I am still worried about what kind of damage the MC did to Ryker. It wouldn't surprise me if he broke his neck with that wicked wrestling move into the face pummel.

 

[Badjourasmix]

While I hate the actions he took against women, I do not wish death upon anyone even Ryker. I would rather see him suffer more slowly like in prison where Bubba takes a liking to him in the shower and shows him why you don't mess with women.

The thing about the prison is that eventually he will come out of there, unless he is caught doing something so bad that he gets a life sentence. The guy is a lunatic, he was trying to swing the bat at harper's face, that can easily kill someone, so yeah I wouldn't take any chances with him.

 

[Deleted member 1565614]

but if ryker happened to die i wouldn't flinch or shed a single tear, just saying

 

[The One and Only Bob]

Clearly opinions differ on the matter, but from my point of view, Damien did not "aid in an assault". He got dragged into and caught up in a shit-fest and did what he could to protect as many people as he could. He hauled the injured guard to safety, warned the MC to get clear, and (again, in my opinion) tried to keep the people inside from going out into danger.

But I freely admit that, given BD's track record so far, it's entirely possible that new evidence will come to light that shows my interpretation of the facts to be less than accurate.

"I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction." -- Clarence Darrow

 

[AceOfNiagara]

While I hate the actions he took against women, I do not wish death upon anyone even Ryker. I would rather see him suffer more slowly like in prison where Bubba takes a liking to him in the shower and shows him why you don't mess with women.

After the pummeling MC gave him I think it's going to be a while before Ryker spends time with Bubba

 

[Uncle Loco]

The thing about the prison is that eventually he will come out of there, unless he is caught doing something so bad that he gets a life sentence. The guy is a lunatic, he was trying to swing the bat at harper's face, that can easily kill someone, so yeah I wouldn't take any chance with him.

He did assault the MC, assault with a weapon (not sure if that counts as a deadly weapon or not) attempted kidnapping damage to private property, rigging sporting events, illegal gambling just to name a few. I think if he gets jail time it will be plenty to keep him there for a long time.

 

[Badjourasmix]

After the pummeling MC gave him I think it's going to be a while before Ryker spends time with Bubba

Well at least we now know that if the basketball thing doesn't work out for the mc, he can always become a mma fighter.

 

[WheresLucifer]

I'm new to the thread and you guys have probably have talked about this a lot, but what do you guys think of Damien? It's kinda shitty that he works for Ryker. But it's not like he is taking any pleasure in what he is doing or at least it seems like he doesn't. I could see the mc in the future forgiving him once Ryker is out of the way.

I had some notes about Damien...
I notice that some of his choices were not good decisions. Being a star of college can have some weakness. Damien had some weakness, mostly due to his mother medical condition. Ryker was able to take advantage of that against Damien. Someone in the organization is tied with Ryker to able to help pay Damien's mother medical bills as return favors that Damien may not what to do. During the first week, Damien had spied on MC in different area, He tried very hard to avoid MC's home locations.

I believe MC may forgive Damien, however it may take time time to rebuild their trust to each other. However, I believe MC is trying to figure out what he can do to help Damien out of the situation to get Damien out of Ryker's control. It may be a complex situation that MC may need additional help from Rachael and possible other people to help MC resolve this one.

However, I can be incorrect. I only have done day 01 to 07. I have not check out Day 08 at this moment.

Have a great day and be safe...

 

[thorin0815]

Clearly opinions differ on the matter, but from my point of view, Damien did not "aid in an assault". He got dragged into and caught up in a shit-fest and did what he could to protect as many people as he could. He hauled the injured guard to safety, warned the MC to get clear, and (again, in my opinion) tried to keep the people inside from going out into danger.

Do you seriously believe that if the MC had gone back in, that Ryker and his thugs would not have followed and might have caused a lot more harm? Failure to provide assistance remains failure to provide assistance and in my country that is also a crime. He should have called the police / ambulance at the latest after the guard was beaten up.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

I am still worried about what kind of damage the MC did to Ryker. It wouldn't surprise me if he broke his neck with that wicked wrestling move into the face pummel.

Yeah thank social media that more than just that footage got released!

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Bloody brilliant

Well at least we now know that if the basketball thing doesn't work out for the mc, he can always become a mma fighter.

That could be in "The further adventures..."

 

[AceOfNiagara]

That was a quick three pages of a lively & civilized debate. Fairly hopeful quite a lot of those questions will be addressed in the upcoming update. Most likely followed by more questions related to some of those answers.

 

[MrFriendly]

Damien probably doesn't deserve MC to redeem him, but MC may be the one person with the resources and motivation to do it. MC is also the fictional wish-fulfillment of being the nicest most caring person on the planet.

Yeah, to me there’s a point where the MC needs to be able to walk away from some relationships. But I also realize that the MC’s superpower is his niceness. I really don’t think that it makes sense to trust someone for a third time no matter how much “he’s doing it for his family” justification there is to D’s behavior.

 

[WheresLucifer]

He did assault the MC, assault with a weapon (not sure if that counts as a deadly weapon or not) attempted kidnapping damage to private property, rigging sporting events, illegal gambling just to name a few. I think if he gets jail time it will be plenty to keep him there for a long time.

I know Ryker said he was rigging the college sport game to lose 10+ points per game and he want WVM basketball team to lose all the game this coming season so it would be first college ever to have no wins in two years. He help pick Coach Harper to be the coach.

I would agree with you, LocoGringo78, that Damien deserve a second chance. MC did stated that he would have been in his shoe with what Damien going through with his family issue with medical bills. However needs to take baby steps to rebuild the trust between the two. However, Damien needs to get out of Ryker's control to be able to do that. The most worst case, Damien may have to be major witness again Ryker if their is any criminal charges against Ryker regarding to illegal gambling and rigging sports event.

Have a great day and be safe...

 

[thorin0815]

Yeah, to me there’s a point where the MC needs to be able to walk away from some relationships. But I also realize that the MC’s superpower is his niceness. I really don’t think that it makes sense to trust someone for a third time no matter how much “he’s doing it for his family” justification there is to D’s behavior.

A male version of Mother Teresa as MC doesn't really have to be, otherwise I'll start throwing up rainbows at some point.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

That was a quick three pages of a lively & civilized debate. Fairly hopeful quite a lot of those questions will be addressed in the upcoming update. Most likely followed by more questions related to some of those answers.

Amen. Wish more threads had intelligent thought provoking posters as this and mnf. But I'm content with them. good vn's always feel like great books to me, I always want to discuss them

 

[WheresLucifer]

Again there is so much we don't know, and the things we think we know might not be as good as they seem. There could have been a phone call made it may just have not been to the MC. Also how do we know that Belle is not the mastermind behind the whole thing? How do we know that Damien was not working undercover for the unknown detective working the case against Charles. The problem is we just don't know the facts but we are all so quick to judge. I see a redemption path, but I also see ways that there is no path to redemption. We need more facts we have what people saw just not what motivations are behind those actions.

You have a good point that possible Damien may be working undercover.

Have a great day and be safe...