VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch.1 Ep.13 F] [Braindrop]

[thorin0815]

so yeah, incest is still very much on topic for this thread.

If that applies to content like incest that isn't in the game or the tags, then de facto no fetish at all should be off topic here. Please wait, I'll quickly visit some NTR game threads and tell people that their favorite fetish might be featured in WVM soon. I mean, it could well be that NTR is coming soon, at least the chances are no worse than for incest. And while I'm at it, rape and lolis, preferably in combination, could also occur in the future and...

 

[preglovr12]

If that applies to content like incest that isn't in the game or the tags

Please replay the game and every time MC starts making out with Azel, pay close attention to the dialogue. After you do that you can come back here and start bullshiting about NTR and get banned if you think I still dont have at least a tiny bit of a point.

 

[Braindrop]

Gonna throw my 2 cents into this even though no one asked for it


So, in my opinion... I agree incest is on topic since a player can come away from the game thinking it's a possibility, they'll come here after finishing and seeing there isn't a tag for it and innocently ask if there is any planned.
That seems cool. They can be answered civilly, something along the lines of "The dev has stated he does not plan on adding it but there are people who believe he's just saying that to cover himself from patreon's TOS. Only time can tell."
Perfectly valid, simple 2 post Q&A.

Where the problem is in my eyes is everything past that... the 40+ posts arguing over the definition of incest and if it is or isn't allowed. How is that on topic? How does that contribute anything meaningful? Especially when the same exact argument and points have been made 50 times already. It's the largest reason why I very rarely come here anymore.

We got rid of actual fun conversations pertaining the game such as the march madness bracket and theories and even the occasional on-topic meme for the same old pointless argument that will always lead to the same conclusion... nothing.

Only I know what the future holds. I am being 100% honest when I say I have no plans or intentions of working on that sort of content. I have people in my life that know what I do and I'm personally not comfortable having something that taboo attached to it. I was open to the idea early on, never actively planned on it though. As far as Azel tease scenes go I'll put it like this: Remember the first scene with Alexis? Remember the first scene with Zoe, Bailey, and Liz in the basement? Remember the first scene with Katie?
They were all dirty and raunchy hookups and the Liz one in particular I cringe even thinking about now. That sort of energy was only there very early on and I quickly realized I wasn't a fan of it and those characters act drastically different now and those scenes will be drastically different in the redo.
So I said all that to say, I was dumb in the beginning and didn't have characters and their events planned out very well. I was also experimenting finding what I did like... which turned out to be wholesome vanilla simp sim but it is what it is. But I do understand how all of that can simply be handwaved away by people who think I'm trying to ninja behind patreon.


TL;DR: No incest but questions are okay, debates bad.

 

[qwsl]

I know why he writes like that - wife is looking over his shoulder ;-) or she got to his account

 

[preglovr12]

We got rid of actual fun conversations pertaining the game such as the march madness bracket.

While I fully understand it was fun, it barely had anything to do with the game. The "vote for ___" and "I hope ___ wins" posts were some of the worst spam this thread has ever gotten.

Only I know what the future holds. I am being 100% honest when I say I have no plans or intentions of working on that sort of content. I have people in my life that know what I do and I'm personally not comfortable having something that taboo attached to it. I was open to the idea early on, never actively planned on it though. As far as Azel tease scenes go I'll put it like this: Remember the first scene with Alexis? Remember the first scene with Zoe, Bailey, and Liz in the basement? Remember the first scene with Katie?
They were all dirty and raunchy hookups and the Liz one in particular I cringe even thinking about now. That sort of energy was only there very early on and I quickly realized I wasn't a fan of it and those characters act drastically different now and those scenes will be drastically different in the redo.
So I said all that to say, I was dumb in the beginning and didn't have characters and their events planned out very well. I was also experimenting finding what I did like... which turned out to be wholesome vanilla simp sim but it is what it is. But I do understand how all of that can simply be handwaved away by people who think I'm trying to ninja behind patreon.

I'm more than willing to change how incest in this thread is handled after I play through the rework. I also appreciate your honesty about the early hookups, a lot of devs would just change it and never admit to why.

 

[Braindrop]

Gonna throw my 2 cents into this even though no one asked for it


So, in my opinion... I agree incest is on topic since a player can come away from the game thinking it's a possibility, they'll come here after finishing and seeing there isn't a tag for it and innocently ask if there is any planned.
That seems cool. They can be answered civilly, something along the lines of "The dev has stated he does not plan on adding it but there are people who believe he's just saying that to cover himself from patreon's TOS. Only time can tell."
Perfectly valid, simple 2 post Q&A.

Where the problem is in my eyes is everything past that... the 40+ posts arguing over the definition of incest and if it is or isn't allowed. How is that on topic? How does that contribute anything meaningful? Especially when the same exact argument and points have been made 50 times already. It's the largest reason why I very rarely come here anymore.

We got rid of actual fun conversations pertaining the game such as the march madness bracket and theories and even the occasional on-topic meme for the same old pointless argument that will always lead to the same conclusion... nothing.

Only I know what the future holds. I am being 100% honest when I say I have no plans or intentions of working on that sort of content. I have people in my life that know what I do and I'm personally not comfortable having something that taboo attached to it. I was open to the idea early on, never actively planned on it though. As far as Azel tease scenes go I'll put it like this: Remember the first scene with Alexis? Remember the first scene with Zoe, Bailey, and Liz in the basement? Remember the first scene with Katie?
They were all dirty and raunchy hookups and the Liz one in particular I cringe even thinking about now. That sort of energy was only there very early on and I quickly realized I wasn't a fan of it and those characters act drastically different now and those scenes will be drastically different in the redo.
So I said all that to say, I was dumb in the beginning and didn't have characters and their events planned out very well. I was also experimenting finding what I did like... which turned out to be wholesome vanilla simp sim but it is what it is. But I do understand how all of that can simply be handwaved away by people who think I'm trying to ninja behind patreon.


TL;DR: No incest but questions are okay, debates bad.

Cont.

It's important to remember how this game started. I played a few other VNs before just deciding to make my own. I knew absolutely nothing about it and was brand new. Only a month into learning I released Day 1.
WVM was always going to be my long term project but anyone who tells you they have everything planned out from the very beginning of something is probably a liar.
I knew the beginning and ending and a large portion of plot beats in the middle. I also had no clue what I would like or dislike. Everything was literally brand new to me.

I also never imagined WVM to be successful. It was just this thing I was going to work on and put out there. I didn't have the pressure on me to release something I knew would always be there, in my mind it was all open to change which is why... it's now being changed.

I also was very emotionally involved back then. Criticisms and such really got to me and I expressed it in some petty ways.
Such as adding the ugly dude talking about Jamie and keeping the tease going.
But that tease actually led into me locking into the awkward adoptive mom-son relationship they currently have. Where they go through some of the "challenges" of growing apart. So it wasn't all bad.
I'm also a bit of a contrarian and found it funny to go against what a lot of people were asking for. I still think it was silly to do so now though. I have since realized highlighting negatives in my game was a bad thing to do because I won't give a fuck about it when I look back in 20 years and play it. I'll just remember how insecure I was being about it.

Which is why a lot of that stuff will be removed.
I'm still super young and I'm gonna make fuck ups. I definitely include adding the early teasing, especially with Rachael in that mix. I'm cool with light teasing because it fits the storyline and their relationship but I never should have taken it as far as I did.

Essentially, this is all just to say it took me some time to find my style. Both render and story wise which is why I fully understand why some people fucked with the game early and hate it now. It's very much a different game because I had to go through the process to find what I liked the most.

This shit do be a journey.

Also, there's a basketball game for the first time in the next update! Only took 2 1/2 years

 

[naniwtf]

stupid question, but is bd allowed to say that the mc is goung to the nba, or does he have to make up a new league. Also, if he does have to make up a new one, can he reference names such as Lebron or kd which will imply that the league he made is the nba?

 

[qwsl]

Also, there's a basketball game for the first time in the next update! Only took 2 1/2 years

Oh, God, NO! - we are doomed! After all that time, when there bunch of parodies to WVM that HAVE basketball mini-games - he add basketball... finally... but want to remove hands holding
#Brubru-InsidiousVillain

 

[Naxos]

<snip>

Only I know what the future holds. I am being 100% honest when I say I have no plans or intentions of working on that sort of content. <snip>

TL;DR: No incest but questions are okay, debates bad.

I have proof that it might, where's your proof it 100% won't?

Welp, that aged well.

 

[preglovr12]

Welp, that aged well.

I 100% stand by what I said, and it even got BD to show up where he proved me correct. Win-win on my end. You're also assuming he's not lying still.

 

[Naxos]

While I fully understand it was fun, it barely had anything to do with the game. The "vote for ___" and "I hope ___ wins" posts were some of the worst spam this thread has ever gotten.

I tend to agree with you the, simple "I hope x wins" are lame and spammy, though variations of that with a bit of smack talk where fun, but I see your point on that, but it doesn't mean the whole idea of the bracket itself was bad. As the adage goes, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Maybe a better way to do that is using the vote feature of the forum. Many games have had votes for which players think is the hottest girl or best girl or favourite etc. That could be used here, though it might make the bracket idea hard.

Either way that stuff is still better than the infinite Azel cycle or when next update posts.

 

[preglovr12]

Either way that stuff is still better than the infinite Azel cycle or when next update posts.

This thread'll be filled with new stuff to discuss once the rework and the next update are out, it's just, uh, been a while.

 

[ZTex]

Oh, God, NO! - we are doomed! After all that time, when there bunch of parodies to WVM that HAVE basketball mini-games - he add basketball... finally... but want to remove hands holding
#Brubru-InsidiousVillain

Yeah but you gotta realize

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[preglovr12]

Wait, as far as we know MCs not playing in the exhibition match, so are we going to have to wait another two and a half years for a basketball game MC actually participates in?

 

[Braindrop]

Wait, as far as we know MCs not playing in the exhibition match, so are we going to have to wait another two and a half years for a basketball game MC actually participates in?

yes

 

[Canto Forte]

MC is the business end of things.
There are these people pleasers all around big corporations
drawing in the fans and the dough.
MC is that face and soul of the whole endeavor in that franchise.

Wait, as far as we know MCs not playing in the exhibition match, so are we going to have to wait another two and a half years for a basketball game MC actually participates in?

yes

MC be a playa in the bedroom of so many fantastic babes.
His matches are arduous and throbbing with excitement.

 

[Neko-Chan Pacifica]

MC is the business end of things.
There are these people pleasers all around big corporations
drawing in the fans and the dough.
MC is that face and soul of the whole endeavor in that franchise.



MC be a playa in the bedroom of so many fantastic babes.
His matches are arduous and throbbing with excitement.

you do realize this is a sex game? hopefully he will keep this basketball to a complete minimum, otherwise it takes away from what is going on already. the last thing i want to see is something that takes away from what its really about....a huge fucking harem game.

 

[mightybored]

What we really need to know is, when is MC going gay for Skye?

 

[Canto Forte]

when is Skye going gay for MC ?

 

[shamtiiomi]

Gonna throw my 2 cents into this even though no one asked for it


So, in my opinion... I agree incest is on topic since a player can come away from the game thinking it's a possibility, they'll come here after finishing and seeing there isn't a tag for it and innocently ask if there is any planned.
That seems cool. They can be answered civilly, something along the lines of "The dev has stated he does not plan on adding it but there are people who believe he's just saying that to cover himself from patreon's TOS. Only time can tell."
Perfectly valid, simple 2 post Q&A.

Where the problem is in my eyes is everything past that... the 40+ posts arguing over the definition of incest and if it is or isn't allowed. How is that on topic? How does that contribute anything meaningful? Especially when the same exact argument and points have been made 50 times already. It's the largest reason why I very rarely come here anymore.

We got rid of actual fun conversations pertaining the game such as the march madness bracket and theories and even the occasional on-topic meme for the same old pointless argument that will always lead to the same conclusion... nothing.

Only I know what the future holds. I am being 100% honest when I say I have no plans or intentions of working on that sort of content. I have people in my life that know what I do and I'm personally not comfortable having something that taboo attached to it. I was open to the idea early on, never actively planned on it though. As far as Azel tease scenes go I'll put it like this: Remember the first scene with Alexis? Remember the first scene with Zoe, Bailey, and Liz in the basement? Remember the first scene with Katie?
They were all dirty and raunchy hookups and the Liz one in particular I cringe even thinking about now. That sort of energy was only there very early on and I quickly realized I wasn't a fan of it and those characters act drastically different now and those scenes will be drastically different in the redo.
So I said all that to say, I was dumb in the beginning and didn't have characters and their events planned out very well. I was also experimenting finding what I did like... which turned out to be wholesome vanilla simp sim but it is what it is. But I do understand how all of that can simply be handwaved away by people who think I'm trying to ninja behind patreon.


TL;DR: No incest but questions are okay, debates bad.

seem to be fine to ask you some questions this is mine.....
[NO INCEST ATTACHED OR NTR BULLSHIT I PROMISE]
i was on your patreon rooster for a long time and i decided end my subs bcs the development of your game is not smooth ,ofc i understand that in this harsh times everyone need braks everyone have lifes and everyone have dreams,etc.But when the times come this is your job take it like it is bcs your are fully living on it so my uestion is simple ....maybe its time to search for a good development team ho can help you go smotther between updates? I ask this bcs it seems will take you like 4 to 5 years to fully finish the game and to me seems outrageous that for some ppl this is fine bcs they dont spend a dime but for me when i spend time or money i hope for the best outcome not the worst and after 2 plus years and dont see the light in at the end of the tunnel or even in the middle so .....i pressume you have what it takes ti finsih the trip but maybe is better some companions to help ypu with that? sometimes some tasks are not for one man army [sorry but i dont count family like real help ,at least not in the dev department.]I hope for the best for you and im really sorry for all the bad things that happend in your life till now but still when do a job that you receive pay for it do your best and finish your side of the bargain,and if you see that the job is to big for you alone relly on others to help you with part of the task