VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch.1 Ep.13 F] [Braindrop]

[Brannon]

It doesn't have to be a legal issue to come back and bite him. Depending on what happened to Ryker, just finding out could cause the MC distress. There's a lot of ways for that to come back into the story, and not all of them are things that Rachel, the lawyer, or Willabelle can protect against.

No even remotely sane person gives a rat's ass about how and if a person that attacked multiple people with murderous intent lives.
Even Ghandi would have had troubles forgiving such a crime.

Ryker lost all potential to be mourned or even thought about the moment he attacked multiple people with a weapon with the victim helpless on the ground.
He does not deserve any form or thought.

Maybe if Ryker survives more or less intact, becomes a saint and further down the line is hurt by some different means it may cause some distress.
But let's stay realistic. That won't happen. Like ever.

 

[PrimeGuy]

No even remotely sane person gives a rat's ass about how and if a person that attacked multiple people with murderous intent lives.
Even Ghandi would have had troubles forgiving such a crime.

Ryker lost all potential to be mourned or even thought about the moment he attacked multiple people with a weapon with the victim helpless on the ground.
He does not deserve any form or thought.

Maybe if Ryker survives more or less intact, becomes a saint and further down the line is hurt by some different means it may cause some distress.
But let's stay realistic. That won't happen. Like ever.

The human psyche is a weird thing. Maybe you wouldn't feel bad about it, but a lot of people feel horrible for doing things well deserved to terrible people. Many people's brains are just so wired against doing serious harm to others that it messes them up no matter who it was on the receiving end, and emotional trauma isn't the only way this could come back to bite the MC.

 

[datfcknhunter]

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[Brannon]

The human psyche is a weird thing. Maybe you wouldn't feel bad about it, but a lot of people feel horrible for doing things well deserved to terrible people. Many people's brains are just so wired against doing serious harm to others that it messes them up no matter who it was on the receiving end, and emotional trauma isn't the only way this could come back to bite the MC.

True.
But he "has bigger fish to fry".
The potentially ruined life of the terrible assailant of him and his mom is the least of the possible problems he has.

There is the harem.
There is basketball.
There is college.
There is PR (impossible to shield him).
There is Raechel.
There is his personal life.
There is childhood trauma.
There is the "drug lord saga".
...

Plus there are multiple girls he'd like to help.
One of them is McKenzie. Another is the swimmer girl whose name eludes me right now. A third is the corpulent girl.

Ryder could certainly be on the list MC has but he is pretty far down. If at all.

Kind of "pain relieving 101".
If you have a hurting foot and get hit with a hammer onto your head the pain in the foot is forgotten about.


Not saying there is no possible repercussion but it more than very likely is minimal at best.

 

[datfcknhunter]

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[Breezerr]

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I'm not sure if I would call it anger management, but in real life it would be clearly a problem.
Depending on how big the injuries are, it also can be a big burden. The most human would struggle after they hit someone half to death. It's nothing you can control.
But that's only in real life. We will see how BD will handle it.

 

[Brannon]

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I'm not sure if I would call it anger management, but in real life it would be clearly a problem.
Depending on how big the injuries are, it also can be a big burden. The most human would struggle after they hit someone half to death. It's nothing you can control.
But that's only in real life. We will see how BD will handle it.

As said above the "anger problem" is an "adrenaline problem".
The MC was injured, already in a fight for a certain amount of time and saw a loved one being attacked.
Yes the "red mist descends" but that is 99.9995% because of adrenaline.

Adrenaline is one hell of a drug.
It basically switches off the brain to a degree so the body can continue working and surviving. For instance almost all pain can't be felt when "high on adrenaline". After a big injury people often just calmly collect the fingers just cut off.

But it also means that higher brain functions are not possible to a large degree.
The brain basically is in "survival mode" in which a person can achieve much for survival but almost nothing in terms of thinking.
For instance adrenaline also plays a role in "examination panic" many students have problems with. You simply can't remember stuff when you are in panic, afraid or stressed.

If the drug wears off temporary loss of memory is nothing unheard of. In fact rather common.

 

[Breezerr]

It has nothing to do with the adrenalin.
Yes there was a big fight, he got injured, and clearly he was full of adrenalin. Then the fight was over, and they had a discussion. After this, his mom crashed the car against 2 of them. Then MC and mom are talking and wanted to hug.

Now Ryker hit his mom and that's the first time when it goes red. If it were the adrenalin, it would get red long before. It's clearly the anger.

 

[Brannon]

Err ...
Don't know if we have played the same sequence then.

There was no break between the full pile-up when the asshat tried to use the head of the "second mother" as a baseball and the "first mother" saving MC with a car crash after he stopped the baseball bat and saved his "second mother" that way.
I mean there obviously were some seconds between these sections but they were NOT long enough to get the drug out of the system.

Adrenaline is relatively quick to flush out of the systems, it happens in some minutes.
But the beating up of the asshat happened SECONDS after MC had a new stream of adrenaline pushed into his system when the car crash saved him.


Did you seriously think in the middle of the fight there was a break long enough to host a tea party?
Without ANY form of law enforcement or reinforcements arriving at the scene?

 

[Master of Puppets]

I don't remember the exact conversation with Ryker about the first encounter, I just remember him trying to scare her away or something. And yes, Ryker getting punched in the nose is, in retrospect, quite justified in terms of his plans, but it doesn't change the fact that someone else who really wanted to help him could have gotten punched in the nose, precisely because our protagonist was sleepwalking and not in control of his senses.

That's assuming that his subconscious wasn't reacting to Ryker hitting him first. Someone else who really wanted to help him probably wouldn't have knocked him out and dumped him in a basement.

 

[Breezerr]

Err ...
Don't know if we have played the same sequence then.

There was no break between the full pile-up when the asshat tried to use the head of the "second mother" as a baseball and the "first mother" saving MC with a car crash after he stopped the baseball bat and saved his "second mother" that way.
I mean there obviously were some seconds between these sections but they were NOT long enough to get the drug out of the system.

Adrenaline is relatively quick to flush out of the systems, it happens in some minutes.
But the beating up of the asshat happened SECONDS after MC had a new stream of adrenaline pushed into his system when the car crash saved him.


Did you seriously think in the middle of the fight there was a break long enough to host a tea party?
Without ANY form of law enforcement or reinforcements arriving at the scene?

I played the scene again for the Screenshots...
Maybe you play it again, because it sounds like you don't remember it correctly.

And again: During the fight was no red visual, and it's clearly, that he had a lot of adrenalin in his body while he was beaten up. If the red stands for adrenalin, it has to get red a lot earlier.

 

[BudgetPro]

the only relevant question in the legal issue is the result of tox screens from Ryker when he ends up in the hospital.

If the guy is determined to have been on major substances, pretty much everything else becomes irrelevant

 

[PopPop63]

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I'm not sure if I would call it anger management, but in real life it would be clearly a problem.
Depending on how big the injuries are, it also can be a big burden. The most human would struggle after they hit someone half to death. It's nothing you can control.
But that's only in real life. We will see how BD will handle it.

in that situation i would have beat him to death and then pissed on his corpse. I take offense ti someone hitting my mom. Thank my dad for that

 

[PopPop63]

I would argue that these outbursts are the product of the former family life. Both times were when (the first time apparently) his birth mother was the target of violence. I would argue that that's where his protective instinct is triggered in those moments, because as a young boy he couldn't protect his mother.

i agree, this is what happened to me

 

[RegAdd]

Err ...
Don't know if we have played the same sequence then.

There was no break between the full pile-up when the asshat tried to use the head of the "second mother" as a baseball and the "first mother" saving MC with a car crash after he stopped the baseball bat and saved his "second mother" that way.
I mean there obviously were some seconds between these sections but they were NOT long enough to get the drug out of the system.

Off-topic from the major discussion in play here, but was something changed since the last time I played this (the beta from late last year)? Unless I'm mistaken, the targets Ethan saved from the baseball bat were Harper and Willabelle. The bat was in mid-swing toward Harper, Ethan grabbed it, and Willabelle decked the assailant. Azel was inside with the others.

 

[JonTommy]

Off-topic from the major discussion in play here, but was something changed since the last time I played this (the beta from late last year)? Unless I'm mistaken, the targets Ethan saved from the baseball bat were Harper and Willabelle. The bat was in mid-swing toward Harper, Ethan grabbed it, and Willabelle decked the assailant. Azel was inside with the others.

It was Harper that almost got hit in the face with a bat, yea.

I'll say good on MC though, watching Ryker get his face caved in was worth the wait dude had it coming big time.

 

[Sharktopus13]

I mean i've been in the MC's situation with a family member being threatend. Now i was young and impulsive so don't take me as a model case but looking back even i'd say what i did in bludgeoning a guy unconscious was a bit too far.

I can't say it's an anger issue for the MC though, seems more like tunnel vision. He was fixated on removing a problem and did it the wrong way for the right reasons.

Exactly tunnel vision, anyone who has ever been in the middle of a life or death situation, your body flooded with adrenalin if you see a threat THAT'S ALL YOU SEE the threat, you lose any and all peripheral vision and in some cases you can see red this is a natural reaction for anyone in that situation, not just people with ptsd. when your fight or flight instinct kicks in with that much adrenalin, you either become an Olympic marathon sprinter, or the Incredible Hulk.

 

[Sharktopus13]

I played the scene again for the Screenshots...
Maybe you play it again, because it sounds like you don't remember it correctly.

And again: During the fight was no red visual, and it's clearly, that he had a lot of adrenalin in his body while he was beaten up. If the red stands for adrenalin, it has to get red a lot earlier.

Not quite, seeing red doesn't happen every time. It depends on the severity of the situation, remember he was hit from behind. A surprise attack gives no opportunity for an adrenal reaction. His brain had no time to process just how screwed he was. Depending on how much time past from the elbow to the back of his head till he grabbed the bat, chances are he was just beginning to feel the adrenalin pumping, then suddenly its not a life or death situation anymore, so he starts calming down then before the first dose of adrenalin is gone mom gets hit. BOOM second dose. When that much adrenalin is in someone anything is possible, Mother lifts car off child, Father carries child out of burning building unaware he is on fire.

 

[Brannon]

Not quite, seeing red doesn't happen every time. It depends on the severity of the situation, remember he was hit from behind. A surprise attack gives no opportunity for an adrenal reaction. His brain had no time to process just how screwed he was. Depending on how much time past from the elbow to the back of his head till he grabbed the bat, chances are he was just beginning to feel the adrenalin pumping, then suddenly its not a life or death situation anymore, so he starts calming down then before the first dose of adrenalin is gone mom gets hit. BOOM second dose. When that much adrenalin is in someone anything is possible, Mother lifts car off child, Father carries child out of burning building unaware he is on fire.

And to say it again.

Adrenaline goes away pretty quickly. It takes only a couple of minutes before it is "out of the system".
BUT there was not NEARLY enough time in between the fight parts that the amount of adrenaline in MC's body went down by a significant margin.
Basically MC was still filled with adrenaline and when his mom got hit he got another big dose of adrenaline on top.
And that is the point he literally saw red.

Off-topic from the major discussion in play here, but was something changed since the last time I played this (the beta from late last year)? Unless I'm mistaken, the targets Ethan saved from the baseball bat were Harper and Willabelle. The bat was in mid-swing toward Harper, Ethan grabbed it, and Willabelle decked the assailant. Azel was inside with the others.

Got the two mixed up for a second.
You are right.
If Azel would have been attacked with a bat "the red mist" would have descended sooner.