MrZed

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Bruh...

I literally live off this. (and half my team as well)
I could be making five times more money working as a programmer, but I chose to make game development my full time job, and built a tiny team from scratch, knowing full well, this is one of the worst paying areas to work with the skillset we have.

If only, we only have passion for this. We didn't milk a game for 7 years, instead I make the games I love and release them, knowing that the meta for patreon is to just make a big ass VN and milk it for years and years... (That's the meta, and it is fucking sad)

You really have no idea what you are talking about...
"Milk the desperate", "the real ones simple let their game speak for itself"

You are something special man...
 

RedAISkye

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I could be making five times more money working as a programmer
Then go do that instead of coming to a pirate site just to keep whining whenever your game gets pirated.

Lots of passionate devs have an actual paying jobs, while subscription services are simply a way of supporting them and towards the development of the game.
 
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Litoningu

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It's understandable that you feeling salty about the piracy is likely to make your fund backing efficiency being jeopardize. If I'm a dev, or even simply an artist, trying to make a living out of fund backing and patronages, I'd be salty too. But I also seen them as in inevitability. Especially when your works becomes highly interest among the communities, or even small niche group of interests.

From the POV of someone who valued my own hard earning income from 9 to 5 job. It feels very hard to compel to spending them on a recurring charges even toward my favorite artist just so I can see their exclusive arts gated behind a paywall. Unless I feeling so damn addicting, or heart-struck, fallen head-over-heel over some work, it's very unlikely for me to becomes someone patronages. Because my income in this 3rd world country is that much tight, I can feel every little $ I spend aboard where I lives.

My point is, it's still a thing that not any average joe will do on a whim. Those with capability to supporting your work are someone that you can tug their heartstring and having no pressure on making a choice to spending their money, so they head straight there to supporting you on patronages platform. It's more of a subjective matter than a materialistic one.

I really like your work, but it's still not special enough for me to help boost into your endeavor, apart from waiting to buy out your final product. Which will also be one long agonizing wait, with the absent of the change I either have to wait month(s) before I can experiences something new, or just forget about it entirely altogether and maybe someday I'll stumbled back to rediscover them later. If only there's something can pull my heartstring in your work, I dare say that I won't even hesitate to boost you monetary support without a second though.

I'm not glorifying piracy to be the best thing ever, but it becomes one of the very few way that I can enjoy something new without suffocating myself with the feeling of staying put until the full releases, or paid $20+ for the luxuries of entertainment that I instead, can saving those for emergency, or even possible medical bill and debts. When it does released, I buy the product I really, REALLY like anyway, as long as it's within the platform that I can legally supported. Like your SCH for example.

As a matter of fact, the game with so much high effort like the works of Eromancer, Pure Onyx, is pale in compared to yours regarding my personal interest. I feels indifferent about that game, I didn't even feels like engage in discussion. I might even never know of its full release or even care to pirates it in unforeseeable future, hack, I didn't pirates its updates for at least 3 to 4 years now cuz I just don't care about that game anymore. No matter how high the quality it has, if it not catching someone interest, worst what can happen with them is just being ignored.

So TL;DR as someone engage in piracy
- Free game update, testing something new, me happy. (Dev might sad bcuz leakage)
- No free game update, playing same old stuff that it already burnout, me sad. (Dev not sad, maybe indifferent, dev carry on)
- Really like the game, me buy full product on release anyway.
- Me don't like spending money on recurring charges stuff unless it really THAT special to me.

Sry for a long yap, hope you have a great day.

Edited: I forgot to mention a little cherry on top that, PayPal becomes absurdly restrictive regarding the options I can use around here. I usually use Digital-credit card, a pseudo one, to do online transection, now they don't accept that anymore, and I don't have enough credential information capable enough to make a physical one, because the banks or agency I consult with lack human logic and only do thing by-the-book or some shit .... Sometime I can't even freely spending my money how I wanted to, it's irony.
 
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5th Dimension

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Bruh...

I literally live off this. (and half my team as well)
I could be making five times more money working as a programmer, but I chose to make game development my full time job, and built a tiny team from scratch, knowing full well, this is one of the worst paying areas to work with the skillset we have.

If only, we only have passion for this. We didn't milk a game for 7 years, instead I make the games I love and release them, knowing that the meta for patreon is to just make a big ass VN and milk it for years and years... (That's the meta, and it is fucking sad)

You really have no idea what you are talking about...
"Milk the desperate", "the real ones simple let their game speak for itself"

You are something special man...
5822$ is how much you make a month according to your patreon, 5822 X 12 is 69864 or just about 70k, I'm not sure where you live but taxes has to take a around 12k-16k leaving you with 58-54k a year, now I'm not sure what patreon takes or how much you pay your team but if what you say here is true a separate job is needed, and making a hobby or passion project into a job will 100% drain all enthusiasm and motivation to work on said project. Also i know this has been said multiple times but don't come on here if you don't wanna see pirating.
 
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LowLevelLesser

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MrZed

You should stop responding to them. They're mostly just trolling you, not trying to have a genuine debate. Arguing with folks on here will only drain your desire to keep going with development. My honest advice would be to use the "ignore thread" button if you're getting frustrated.

Stop banging your head against a wall; it'll feel much better when you stop.
 

sandsea_urchin

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You should stop responding to them. They're mostly just trolling you, not trying to have a genuine debate. Arguing with folks on here will only drain your desire to keep going with development. My honest advice would be to use the "ignore thread" button if you're getting frustrated.
I would direct this advice to the toxic posters instead. Not pointing at you, obviously.
Pirates, mafias and all illegal groups always have had rules. "Respect" is the first of them.
It's also F95's very 1st rule: "Be respectful. Opinions are fine, attacks are not" cf there

making a hobby or passion project into a job will 100% drain all enthusiasm and motivation to work
Man, this is sad. "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground", is it? People are getting so religious nowadays :LOL:
Work isn't necessarily a curse. When I see anyone enjoying their job - any job - I usually smile and congratulate them if I have the time ...and they're not a lawyer or loan shark Beats jealousy and angstiness in my book.
That's the healthier approach IMHO. So let's encourage devs, no? We DO want them to work for our lazy, pervy asses, don't we?
Not a jab at you, just some general advice to make everyone's day better. Peace out ;)

can some1 help, my singleur brain cell can;t find how to get the new sexual positions. ;p
Coincidentally, it's a no-brainer: Drifter sells 3 unknown positions every time you return to base. Out of your room, left, down and right. The beardy bum with a hood.
That includes the "Random" positions as well. For all others you could also farm any mob, anywhere; while doing quests for the same Drifter dude for convenience.
 
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RedAISkye

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Pirates, mafias and all illegal groups always have had rules. "Respect" is the first of them.
Respect is earned, no one is entitled to it.

Especially not those who try to gain something from the pirate community, yet at the same time condemns them for pirating. :HideThePain:

If you can't handle piracy, you should just stop engaging with pirate sites.
 

Dracis3D

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Respect is earned, no one is entitled to it.

If you can't handle piracy, you should just stop engaging with pirate sites.
I respect you and MrZed, both of you are contributors to the adult game scene. I get MrZed asking for the latest dev release not to be shared, and see the benefit of the dev interacting with the site. Certainly better than all news behind a paywall. I get that you were not aware of the 'rule' and got smacked for it, when all you were doing was helping out.

I don't get why this is being carried on, sometimes the best thing in life is to let it go and move on.
 
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RedAISkye

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I respect you and MrZed, both of you are contributors to the adult game scene. I get MrZed asking for the latest dev release not to be shared, and see the benefit of the dev interacting with the site. Certainly better than all news behind a paywall. I get that you were not aware of the 'rule' and got smacked for it, when all you were doing was helping out.

I don't get why this is being carried on, sometimes the best thing in life is to let it go and move on.
My main point was that if you're looking for a certain outcome, condemning people for it especially when they weren't even aware of it certainly won't get you what you wanted.

I did respect the dev and supported them in the past for KYFC, and was planning to get the next installment and this game at full release as I thought they were one of the rare indie devs that are open to both positive/negative feedback and cool with pirates, obviously that will not be happening now as the dev burned my respect for them by making money the sole focus of it.

What devs with such mindset need to understand is that even if the game wasn't pirated, most pirates wouldn't pay for the game anyway, let alone a monthly subscription.
So, trying to prevent piracy is completely pointless and a waste of time, and will only hurt your own business. The focus should be on the development towards the game and giving an actual incentive for pirates to become their customer if they want to engage with such communities.
 

kosomelcc

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guys I am stuck at this point, I don't know where to go, can't find any door to the fort, nor any of those targets. what should I do?
 

Dracis3D

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What devs with such mindset need to understand is that even if the game wasn't pirated, most pirates wouldn't pay for the game anyway, let alone a monthly subscription.
I agree with your mindset, but I would say there are four buckets of people
1. Those who won't ever pay for anything (80% of this site, probably a lot more...)
2. Those who will pay from time to time (Both me and you fall into that bucket)
3. Those who get obsessed and want the latest release (and end up paying on Patron)
4. The good and the lazy who pay on Patreon, or buy the game on Steam/Itch

Not putting the latest version on the site may get some more revenue from point 3. As for the money focus, it is his job and I would never leave my day job to be an H developer. So I get it.
 

RedAISkye

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I agree with your mindset, but I would say there are four buckets of people
1. Those who won't ever pay for anything (80% of this site, probably a lot more...)
2. Those who will pay from time to time (Both me and you fall into that bucket)
3. Those who get obsessed and want the latest release (and end up paying on Patron)
4. The good and the lazy who pay on Patreon, or buy the game on Steam/Itch

Not putting the latest version on the site may get some more revenue from point 3. As for the money focus, it is his job and I would never leave my day job to be an H developer. So I get it.
Such tactics rely on a blind potential in the hopes of making a quick profit rather than looking at things on the long run.

It's either a passion project or a job, can't be both when it's being done for a living.
You can't just look at some lucky and passionate indie devs that got successful enough with their game to no longer need a job, and chase after that.
 

MrZed

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That's where you are wrong, I do love what I do, otherwise I would add so much stuff every month.
It's because people stop being passionate about their jobs that we got so many generic (sfw) titles lately, among other issues.

I'm not asking people to stop pirating, I just asked to -out of respect at least- do not share my work within days of me releasing it. I only ask people to wait a month, and I'm ok with it.


I come from a third world country, and I do understand what it feels to want to support something you love but having the local currency be utterly shit and suddenly $10 is enough to buy food for a week, but not enough for anything in internet.

That's why I'm cool with piracy, I'm just saying people do it but try to not harm me that much in the process...

Also those saying that "getting a job is necessary". That would cut the workload from 200 hours per month to... 20 at best. (This is the main reason why people making games as a second job tend to abandom them, it's just not sustainable with the insane amount of time it takes to do stuff)

Anyway, I'm gonna talk more about piracy stuff, people either understood my point or is deliberatly not wanting to understand it.

Also thanks to those who send me bug reports via messages, but please do not send it on compressed files or on files to download from other sites, as I do not download external files on this computer, it's not personal just a safety measure in general.
 

RedAISkye

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I just asked to -out of respect at least- do not share my work within days of me releasing it. I only ask people to wait a month, and I'm ok with it.
If that was the case, you would have messaged me at the beginning of when I first came to this thread and shared it.
Not silently ban me and pretend you were cool with it with that "at least review my game guys" response. You sure fooled me that first time. :LUL:

That's why I'm cool with piracy, I'm just saying people do it but try to not harm me that much in the process...
No one is trying to "harm" you here other than you yourself by banning people from your community when things don't go your way.
People just want to play the game and I help fellow pirates when I can, it's not that deep.
 

labbu

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dev can it possible to go below 1 scale in penis size if not please do something about i genuinely like the game but i hate the big dick content when where i played with it i feel like vomiting i know its hard but please do something i love the with and a chance to play the adventure game in the nsfw world
 

Litoningu

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dev can it possible to go below 1 scale in penis size if not please do something about i genuinely like the game but i hate the big dick content when where i played with it i feel like vomiting i know its hard but please do something i love the with and a chance to play the adventure game in the nsfw world
You can access character files with a little bit of notepad++-fu by going into appdata/LocalLow/SkyflareStu, there should be a file with your character name in it.

Use notepad++ with JSTools plugin (recommended) for more manageable view, seek out your pp size in there and reduce them accordingly. Refrain from access the character editor in the mirror cuz the game will rebound the value back to the most minimal instead.

My guess is that, your character's pp will looks like a fishstick if that what you wanted, it's be rather funny to see.

Now that this has been mentioned, do you have any plan to, also implement a 'cuntboy' character? MrZed
aka, a character with male body-based, but no pp. It's a very niche fetish, I wonder if your customer base into some of those.

But I guess it'll probably causing trouble with animation rig recognization, especially one that playing with character's pp. Since this issues already affected futa(female), as seem many also prefer the starter to play with the penis more than pussy, but the rig-rec can only assign them as F animation base.
 
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