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VN Ren'Py Yesterday's Crossroads [Ch.3 v0.4.1a] [CHAQUINN0]

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Honestly my biggest issue with Kim and finding it hard to forgive her and give her a spot as a main path I play rather than a content save. Is for this simple reason , I understand the reasons and the fears she had for leaving and not telling the MC. But letting the MC going almost a full year without knowing the reason why is what I find more unforgiveable as there is nothing worst than not knowing the why she left when you loved one another.

Now i'm not saying she should of told him right away. But maybe 3 - 5 months when she was settled in her new job I feel she could of told the MC without fear of him going to Korea. Cause at that point I don't think he would have or been able to help anyhow cause if I recall Kim's job involved alot of travelling.

So for me I think if she didn't leave the MC in the dark and told him some months later no matter how much I don't agree with what she did I would of understood and found it much easier to forgive her. Even if I found it a bit of a stretch , cause what mattered is she had that fear and that would be enough for me to go along with it.
Yeah, IDK. Like I said in the underlined parts of my previous response, I wasn't trying to convince anyone to give her a chance or anything. I just was trying to point out how it came across as very oversimplified in earlier posts.
Kim made it *very* clear that her father would find a way to hurt the MC if he continued to 'stall' Kim's life (as he evidently saw it), which had nothing to do with her sister. I'm skeptical her father really had that kind of power, but it's not impossible and that was her argument.

Yet now she's trying to smuggle her sister out from under her father's nose and doesn't seem worried about his draconian retaliation. The impression I got was not that her father was dormant, but rather that her new corporate job had mollified him, at least for the moment, because she was back on track to whatever lofty heights he expected of her. I find that explanation pretty flimsy, particularly since there was nothing stopping her from getting a new job last time, but that's what the game seems to be saying.

So let's say we buy her reasoning, and further buy that Kim can keep climbing the corporate ladder indefinitely (rather than burn out in a few months as she did with the internet girl in Korea). Won't her father be furious when Eun-ji starts bumming around the US just like Kim used to do? And won't he instantly blame the exact same guy he blamed last time Kim defied him? Sure seems like he would to me. So really, nothing has changed - save maybe endangering Kim's sister in addition to endangering the MC. It's not like her dad won't be able to track them down instantly even if Kim never talks to him again: he knows exactly where to start looking! So either Kim's dad was never the implacable threat she thought he was, she stopped caring about the consequences, or she somehow fails to realize the danger hasn't gone away. None of those make her very appealing to me.

Now you suggested she recognizes the danger and plans to disappear with the MC once her sister arrives. To me that would make her actions dramatically worse than before. Running away from your home and family is a hell of a thing to ask even when you aren't doing so to escape violent reprisals... and I can't help but notice she hasn't actually asked it yet! Which means that far from committing to being honest with the MC, in this scenario Kim is once again deceiving him until she can drops her last minute bombshell! That's reprehensible, regardless of whether it's motivated by stupidity or malice. It's not like the MC would be safe if he declines to run away with Kim; he'd effectively be left holding the bag when her father comes calling! This would be Kim making the same mistake all over again, just this time erring on the side of endangering the MC. o_O
Not sure why you wrote the first two paragraphs, given what you wrote in the fourth. I think "doesn't seem worried about his draconian retaliation" is a pretty big mischaracterization. She's absolutely seems worried to me, and not just sad / sorry; otherwise, why develop some kind of plan to appease her father? If she didn't worry that he would potentially do something extreme if he thought her life stalled out again, why try to get away? She had already gotten him to loosen up a little by being employed and putting her life "back on track".

And the point is, in fact, what she perceives as something her father could do. Reality doesn't matter, actually, because her perception of it is what's behind her actions. Is she very possibly totally wrong about the actual threat or how things might play out if the threat is real? Absolutely. But her belief or naïveté is the direct cause of how she behaves. Again, not trying to justify anything here. But even if there's no real threat, that doesn't change how she will act; her belief that it's there is what motivates her to do what she does.
I don't see how Kim can think her father won't be a problem just because her sister is no longer in Korea. If it were that simple the MC would never have been in danger in the first place, Eun-ji would have been.
Not sure where you get this idea. It certainly shouldn't have been from my post. I never said he wouldn't be a problem. In fact, I very specifically said she seemed to act like he was a "dormant threat". If he is mollified so he's not currently going to take any severe action, then the threat from him is dormant: he is suspending his potential action. That implies that he absolutely could be a problem at any given time in the future. And to be clear, that wasn't my own opinion of how things actually are, but how I believe Da-Som seemed to think they were.
That's why I said Kim comes across as either indecisive or delusional.
She acknowledges that she made a mistake, but she doesn't seem to realize that the reasons why she made that mistake don't go away just because she noticed it. She has no explanation for her about face other than missing the MC, which shouldn't have come as a surprise if her feelings were that strong.
Kim might be somewhat indecisive, I agree. I think "delusional" is too harsh... unless, ofc, you mean "delusional" in the colloquial sense similar to naïveté (i.e., not thinking things through very well). To me, she seems totally naïf — but that's a far cry from being actually crazy. I think she's desperate and that's prevented her from thinking things through clearly. She seems very driven by emotion and not logically-minded when it comes to her father and sister.
If her explanation is enough for you, that's fair. But it's not enough for me, not by a longshot. I can't trust her judgement until I see clear and consistent evidence that she's changed. Her inexplicable (to me) behavior now is just compounding the problem. And if she really does expect him to drop everything and run away with her in an instant, then Kim has learned nothing.

As far as Kim being "all good," that is not what I was trying to say. She's clearly far from all good. But again, that's not something she needs to be 'forgiven' for, it's just an indication that life is imperfect. Not much of a surprise, I'm afraid, but it has no bearing on whether to start over with her. That's a question of whether her goals and thought processes are a good fit for the MC.
I don't think she expects the MC to do anything. In fact, she seems to me to be acting like she's done the unforgivable already, so I doubt she expects anything to happen. I think she's currently drifting back and forth between uncomfortable with being around the MC given what's happened and slipping into feeling like things were before she left (i.e., some conversations come very easily, like they were still close and never had broken up).

But I don't believe she's under any illusions about the chance of rekindling the old flame, although I'm sure she "hopes against hope" that it might be possible. This might be one of the only parts of her current actions that don't exhibit naïveté to me. Yes, sometimes she pauses and seems to long to be close again, wishing things hadn't happened as they did. But wishing doesn't mean she thinks it can happen.
For my MC, that is a clear no. It may not be fair, but Kim's going to have to live with the disappointment.
Apparently folks are missing my underlined text from before, where I specifically said I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just trying to point out where I think some statements have come across as "she leaves like a bitch and then returns and acts like everything's fine". That's clearly not how things happened.

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Not sure where you get this idea. It certainly shouldn't have been from my post. I never said he wouldn't be a problem. In fact, I very specifically said she seemed to act like he was a "dormant threat". If he is mollified so he's not currently going to take any severe action, then the threat from him is dormant: he is suspending his potential action. That implies that he absolutely could be a problem at any given time in the future. And to be clear, that wasn't my own opinion of how things actually are, but how I believe Da-Som seemed to think they were.
I get the idea she thinks her father won't be a problem because she's here, hobnobbing with the MC and proceeding with her plans to smuggle her sister out of Korea rather than getting herself the fuck out of Dodge!

Look, I get that Kim supposedly didn't know she'd be working with the MC (though she definitely knew she'd be back in his neighborhood), but as soon as she bumped into him she should have recognized that he was once again in danger. Regardless of whether he wanted to get back together with her, the mere fact that he is present means her father would blame him if and when Kim steps out of line. If Kim's overriding priority was still protecting the MC, she would have called off her plans to bring her sister to America until she either moved away from the MC or figured out some way to get her father onboard with her actions in the long term. She didn't do that. Instead she seized the opportunity to explain herself to the MC while still trying to get Eun-Ji out of Korea.

Moreover, I don't think it's an adequate defense to say she's being upfront with the MC this time by telling him about her father because she isn't actually giving him a realistic way to do anything about that threat. Even if the MC flat out refused to talk to her, they'd still stuck as coworkers and Kim's father is unlikely to believe that is a coincidence. The danger Kim poses to the MC is inevitable whether he knows about it or not. It's better to let him know, sure, but that alone isn't enough. The information Kim is giving the MC isn't actionable this time because, AFAICT, Kim going back to Korea is not on the table. Telling the MC would have been the right move last time, because then he could vote on whether Kim should leave. But this time she hasn't put that up for a vote, so the information would only protect the MC if he was willing to demand Kim leave. That's what it would take to protect him the way she did last time; obviously if the MC insists she stay then he's making an informed and relevant decision and Kim would indeed be doing things differently this time. Unfortunately, Kim has thus far acted as though being here for work will protect the MC from any reprisal, yet her drastic actions last time make it difficult to believe it could be that simple. I see that as a problem.

Now if you want to say Kim is foolish and naive - that she didn't realize a mere job could mollify her father, or that he might act against the MC despite the break up - I think that's a fair argument. It's just that while that would absolve her of guilt, it does nothing to make me sympathetic to her as an LI. Hence my original point: 'forgiving' Kim is the wrong way to frame the debate about her. It's a question of whether you're comfortable enough with her decision making to invest in her as a partner for the MC.

Kim might be somewhat indecisive, I agree. I think "delusional" is too harsh... unless, ofc, you mean "delusional" in the colloquial sense similar to naïveté (i.e., not thinking things through very well). To me, she seems totally naïf — but that's a far cry from being actually crazy. I think she's desperate and that's prevented her from thinking things through clearly. She seems very driven by emotion and not logically-minded when it comes to her father and sister.
No, I mean delusional as in out of touch with reality, but I meant it as an alternative to indecisive rather than a synonym. Personally I don't think she's delusional, but it's a plausible explanation for Kim's actions so I wanted to mention it.

Apparently folks are missing my underlined text from before, where I specifically said I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just trying to point out where I think some statements have come across as "she leaves like a bitch and then returns and acts like everything's fine". That's clearly not how things happened.
I read that part and I understand. I'm not trying to convince you to castigate Kim, either. I'm just trying to say that a) it's entirely possible to think Kim's departure terminated any future relationship without thinking she was ever a bitch, and b) just because Kim is sad doesn't invalidate the observation that her continued presence in the MC's city is a direct contradiction to her stated rationale for leaving him last time. It's entirely fair to attribute that contradiction to benign motivations, but it *is* a contradiction in my books.

I don't want that to come across as accusing Kim of being a bitch or not caring about the MC's well being, but I also think it's disingenuous to say that Kim left the MC for valid reasons AND has valid reasons to reconnect with him now. No matter how well meaning Kim might be, that does not fit the situation we have seen. IMHO, obviously.
 
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Yeah, IDK. Like I said in the underlined parts of my previous response, I wasn't trying to convince anyone to give her a chance or anything. I just was trying to point out how it came across as very oversimplified in earlier posts.

Not sure why you wrote the first two paragraphs, given what you wrote in the fourth. I think "doesn't seem worried about his draconian retaliation" is a pretty big mischaracterization. She's absolutely seems worried to me, and not just sad / sorry; otherwise, why develop some kind of plan to appease her father? If she didn't worry that he would potentially do something extreme if he thought her life stalled out again, why try to get away? She had already gotten him to loosen up a little by being employed and putting her life "back on track".

And the point is, in fact, what she perceives as something her father could do. Reality doesn't matter, actually, because her perception of it is what's behind her actions. Is she very possibly totally wrong about the actual threat or how things might play out if the threat is real? Absolutely. But her belief or naïveté is the direct cause of how she behaves. Again, not trying to justify anything here. But even if there's no real threat, that doesn't change how she will act; her belief that it's there is what motivates her to do what she does.

Not sure where you get this idea. It certainly shouldn't have been from my post. I never said he wouldn't be a problem. In fact, I very specifically said she seemed to act like he was a "dormant threat". If he is mollified so he's not currently going to take any severe action, then the threat from him is dormant: he is suspending his potential action. That implies that he absolutely could be a problem at any given time in the future. And to be clear, that wasn't my own opinion of how things actually are, but how I believe Da-Som seemed to think they were.


Kim might be somewhat indecisive, I agree. I think "delusional" is too harsh... unless, ofc, you mean "delusional" in the colloquial sense similar to naïveté (i.e., not thinking things through very well). To me, she seems totally naïf — but that's a far cry from being actually crazy. I think she's desperate and that's prevented her from thinking things through clearly. She seems very driven by emotion and not logically-minded when it comes to her father and sister.

I don't think she expects the MC to do anything. In fact, she seems to me to be acting like she's done the unforgivable already, so I doubt she expects anything to happen. I think she's currently drifting back and forth between uncomfortable with being around the MC given what's happened and slipping into feeling like things were before she left (i.e., some conversations come very easily, like they were still close and never had broken up).

But I don't believe she's under any illusions about the chance of rekindling the old flame, although I'm sure she "hopes against hope" that it might be possible. This might be one of the only parts of her current actions that don't exhibit naïveté to me. Yes, sometimes she pauses and seems to long to be close again, wishing things hadn't happened as they did. But wishing doesn't mean she thinks it can happen.

Apparently folks are missing my underlined text from before, where I specifically said I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just trying to point out where I think some statements have come across as "she leaves like a bitch and then returns and acts like everything's fine". That's clearly not how things happened.

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You know I usually agree with your psosts on the VN's we follow...but have to say, all you actually succeeded in doing here is showing exactly just how hypocritical and full of shit she is.
 

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You know I usually agree with your psosts on the VN's we follow...but have to say, all you actually succeeded in doing here is showing exactly just how hypocritical and full of shit she is.
Well, it's a good thing I wasn't trying to convince anybody to take a specific position but just to consider what I believe she thinks as she does things and to remember what all has happened. :LOL: And I'm glad we have differing views sometimes, and that there aren't two of me in the world. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Well, it's a good thing I wasn't trying to convince anybody to take a specific position but just to consider what I believe she things as she does things and to remember what all has happened. :LOL: And I'm glad we have differing views sometimes, and that there aren't two of me in the world. :ROFLMAO:
I'm not trying to change your mind or anything
Again, I'm not trying to convince you
I wasn't trying to convince anyone
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
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Gee, I wonder why I've kept saying it? Could it be because people respond with, "I see what you're saying, but I don't agree"? I guess thanks? Over and over, folks quote me and seem to try to argue for why they see things differently. You don't need to argue with me. I'm only saying what I believe to be the case. Doesn't mean anyone's wrong here — in how to interpret her actions, in whether the MC should forgive her, etc.
 
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my favorite character so far is Michelle , btw is Kendra a main or side li or an unimportant character
I have seen no variables yet to indicate Kendra is or will be an LI or side girl. But since the story is still early, anything could happen.
 

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Hey, everyone! :)

April is already upon us—time is flying, and I can barely keep up.
But I come bearing good news: Chapter 4 is in full swing! I’ve finished writing Kimberly’s branch scenes and have been posing them non-stop.

Also, over the past two days, I’ve been learning Steam’s publishing tools in order to get the game up on their platform. First, I had to pay their $100 fee, which cost me R$530 in my currency (Brazilian Real), then came the challenge of figuring out their convoluted system with their confusing tutorials. The most fun—yet very time-consuming—part was creating the images for the pages and a 1 minute trailer. But I think you’ll love how it all turned out.

The game is now in Steam’s hands for review. Once they approve the store page, I’ll open it up for wishlisting. Just to be clear; the game won’t launch on Steam before Chapter 4 is released, but as soon as the store page goes live, I’ll make an announcement across all my channels.

Unfortunately, due to local laws, the Steam page will not be accessible in Germany, but the same game/content will still be available on Patreon and SS.

It’s been an eventful few weeks, but things are moving forward—thankfully!

Have an amazing weekend, everyone! :D
 
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Hey, everyone! :)

April is already upon us—time is flying, and I can barely keep up.
But I come bearing good news: Chapter 4 is in full swing! I’ve finished writing Kimberly’s branch scenes and have been posing them non-stop.

Also, over the past two days, I’ve been learning Steam’s publishing tools in order to get the game up on their platform. First, I had to pay their $100 fee, which cost me R$530 in my currency (Brazilian Real), then came the challenge of figuring out their convoluted system with their confusing tutorials. The most fun—yet very time-consuming—part was creating the images for the pages and a 1 minute trailer. But I think you’ll love how it all turned out.

The game is now in Steam’s hands for review. Once they approve the store page, I’ll open it up for wishlisting. Just to be clear; the game won’t launch on Steam before Chapter 4 is released, but as soon as the store page goes live, I’ll make an announcement across all my channels.

Unfortunately, due to local laws, the Steam page will not be accessible in Germany, but the same game/content will still be available on Patreon and SS.

It’s been an eventful few weeks, but things are moving forward—thankfully!

Have an amazing weekend, everyone! :D
yes I'm really excited for this game in my opinion it's one of the best games on this site

I'm poor and I don't own a credit card but I'm going to wish list this game just to help it a little bit

I would ask anybody that loves this game to spread the word

and purchase it on Steam if they can

story driven great romantic visual novels that is more than just characters fucking

are extremely rare and very special and they need all the support they can get
 
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