Unreal Engine You know what they say, "If you want something done right, do it yourself"

[DawnCry]

Hah, I think I would agree. Have not thought about reinstalling Honey Select, while I've reinstalled AA2 a few times over the years hah, just to let some scenarios play out (oh hey these two became lesbians, let's play as one of them!).

If there was a "most important thing," I do think it's "agency." The girl is not a mindless doll, and she can "decide" what she's doing (at least in your eyes). So this idea dies in a game where you choose someone and immediately do lewd things. It would maybe fall under "the user doesn't really knows what he wants." Some users don't really want "sex," they want to feel, like it means something.

And I'd guess, the Japanese are ahead on understanding / exploiting that, because they've had to deal with young men being alone for a while longer.

I would guess that what makes someone want to always go back to a game isn't just the experience, but the possibilities and situations.

If we go just to normal games, the ones that I always tend to go back are, for example, strategy games like total war, games like the witcher and similar ones. Even skyrim is a good one to go back to!.

Basically games that you feel that there can happen a lot of different and interesting situations, not just keep being the same.

Artificial academy 2 is a good game in that aspect, even more players tend to use imagination to fill the places that need to be filled. For example right now after installing it again I have created many characters and 2 harem wannabe, one female that want to make a lesbian harem and a male that wants a girls harem for himself, even more I added them the rainbow cards to make it more interesting.

It's kind of funny but you can even indirectly choose the game difficulty just by giving the rainbow cards to characters like that and based on stats like virtue. In fact, you can actually prepare so many situations...

P.D: Related to adult games, I tend to go back to games such as Trials in tainted space (Tits), Lilith throne, corruption of champions... basically games with high replayability.

 

[VL4DST3R]

From what I understand (I could be dead wrong), I wouldn't call them games. They are more like toys with which you play instead of playing "them". I'm not saying this to bash them, it's just that I have no interest in those so maybe I'm not the audience you are trying to capture.

That was spot-on. Maybe the therm "game" is not the best to describe this, instead something like an interactive simulation? or a "plaything" if we follow that definition. It's just that game is usually the universal term when it comes to describing any kind of interactive/entertaining thingy. Funniy, i got the same feedback when trying to describe to my dad what a porn game is (don't ask why) and realised that indeed, it doesn't really fit the general definition of a "game", of which he was indeed aware of.

 

[VL4DST3R]

I would guess that what makes someone want to always go back to a game isn't just the experience, but the possibilities and situations.

If we go just to normal games, the ones that I always tend to go back are, for example, strategy games like total war, games like the witcher and similar ones. Even skyrim is a good one to go back to!.

Basically games that you feel that there can happen a lot of different and interesting situations, not just keep being the same.

From the list of games you mentioned i feel the same about Skyrim, but i think for different reasons. For me, the escape from the reality and the mundane into an exciting but still relatable world where i can feel like i am part of, interact with and basically roleplay whatever scenario i set myself to follow. I think deep down i actually do like the familiarity of it all, knowing ill always return to my Whiterun house, to my wife, to my obscenely large stash of loot, etc. This made it extremely appealing to me to the point of spending hundreds of hours playing it inside-out. I think Minecraft is similar in this regard, and why i keep coming back to it every year or so.

 

[DawnCry]

From the list of games you mentioned i feel the same about Skyrim, but i think for different reasons. For me, the escape from the reality and the mundane into an exciting but still relatable world where i can feel like i am part of, interact with and basically roleplay whatever scenario i set myself to follow. I think deep down i actually do like the familiarity of it all, knowing ill always return to my Whiterun house, to my wife, to my obscenely large stash of loot, etc. This made it extremely appealing to me to the point of spending hundreds of hours playing it inside-out. I think Minecraft is similar in this regard, and why i keep coming back to it every year or so.

It is mostly the same, basically that you can roleplay as whatever you want, the more freedom and possibilities that the game gives the better. In Skyrim I was disappointed in many things, such as the civil war, I would have liked that the war could advance without us and not so mission based, that suddenly a place changed the jarl because it fell to the other side.

In the end I believe that what I love is having a world that can continue advancing even if I do nothing and I like that in everything, I like circunstances.

Imagine that you want to just go to your whiterun house and just enjoy a slow life with your wife, but you can't because Alduin is making problems, killing people and keeps trying to destroy everything, you don't want to fight, but it is your destiny because if you refuse to follow through it, death is the only thing that will happen. When you have circunstances, when bad things happen when you ignore them, for me this is the ultimate roleplay.

Just imagine it, the destruction of Alduin becoming greater, settlements being destroyed, burned down to the ground, characters expressing their fear... this is the ultimate enjoyment for me, that even inaction has an effect.

 

[VL4DST3R]

When you have circunstances, when bad things happen when you ignore them, for me this is the ultimate roleplay.

Just imagine it, the destruction of Alduin becoming greater, settlements being destroyed, burned down to the ground, characters expressing their fear... this is the ultimate enjoyment for me, that even inaction has an effect.

Maybe you'd enjoy a game like STALKER, where the world carries on even without you, and with the abundanace of mods at your disposal you can make anything out of that game.

 

[Lancelotsan]

Talk about how to make Porn game better. Always have one question which I’m concerning until now.

Almost of us agree that we should add some gameplay in Porn Game. The Porn game can’t just include only gameplay.

- With me, it is the TBS gameplay which made you have to fight to get the reward ( sex with the girls).

- With DawnCry, it is the 3D role-playing game which you not only can talking with your girls - similar to Visual Novel - but also can influence/change her fetish. Hm… I imagine that it will look similar to the Sim or Skyrim ( open-world and free choice), while the story be influence by Visual Novel.

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However, no matter how we try to creat anything interesting which will happen before or after the Porn-scene in game. I’m think we still leave the Porn-scenes itself behind.

Follow my knowledge, we usually have two ways to describle Porn-scenes in game:

- Visual Novel game’s solution:

It actually is the sex story. It include the main character’s sentence, the heroines’ sentence ( seiyuu), the storyteller who explain to the player “ how is the girl or the main character is feeling/thinking now.”.



But the trouble is we player never can choose the sex-position follow our fetish. We don't really can connect with the heroines. We just are reading another version of sex comic. Everything be created and leaded by the writer and force us follow that. That is why I usually think “ so disappointed, I want to *** with her in another positions, and heard she talking with me during the fun like this.”.

- 3D game’s solution:

We can see it in Honey Select, Playhome, Fallen Doll,… It include very many sex-positions for us to choose. But the heroines now look more like the doll than the character. We talk very little with them, and don’t feel they look like human at all. That is why everyone feel it is boring no matter how many sex-positions are.




= > So, this is my question: Are we have anyway to include all the advantages of these two solutions, while remove the disadvantages????

A 3D’s Sex-gameplay which we still can free to choose many sex-positions, but still can made they heroines more look like the characters ( player and the heroines can talking, feeling, connect to each other as same as in the Visual Novel's way) than just the sex doll?

Anyone have some ideas???

 

[Kinderalpha]

A 3D’s Sex-gameplay which we still can free to choose many sex-positions, but still can made they heroines more look like the characters ( player and the heroines can talking, feeling, connect to each other as same as in the Visual Novel's way) than just the sex doll?

Anyone have some ideas???

The reason this isn't done often is because the workload your describing is huge. This kind of project is out of the scope of most solo developers. Honey Select was developed by Illusion which is an experienced studio with the resources and man power to achieve something like. Most developers on here work on projects on there free time, or as a side hustle. Not full time and with salaried employees.

 

[Lancelotsan]

The reason this isn't done often is because the workload your describing is huge. This kind of project is out of the scope of most solo developers. Honey Select was developed by Illusion which is an experienced studio with the resources and man power to achieve something like. Most developers on here work on projects on there free time, or as a side hustle. Not full time and with salaried employees.

I'm not ask this question under view of a solo project.

I mean, even the studio like Illusion try to fix this trouble. So, what solution they can use, do you think?

 

[VL4DST3R]

I'm wondering if mod support is something feasible for a game like this? I have no idea what it means in therms of implementation and how it should/could be handled, but i know its possible, as other unreal games already did it before (Conan Exiles is a good example) with great success.

Also seeing what other porn games like Honey Select or Xstory got going when it comes to the modding scene, and how it helps keep the experience fresh with new assets and environments to play with tells me this is indeed a thing to consider.

This way, not only it can be improved directly by the community, but would allow users with more particular tastes to create their own scenarios with the framework we'd have established. A win-win in my book.

Regardless, this is certainly a far-off goal for the time being (there needs to be an actual framework and game first) and my only reference of someone pulling this off and doing it good is a triple-a game by a huge studio, but ultimately i think it would help solve a lot of issues and conflicts of interest brought up here when it comes to the gameplay itself. Do tell me what you think about this topic!

 

[VL4DST3R]

Hey guys, got a little bit of an announcement to make, but...

First of all, I want to thank you again for being so helpful and fostering such a constructive discussion here about every aspect that goes into making a good porn game! A lot of you brought up very interesting topics and pointed out details that i would have never considered being as important as they are for a lot of you. As my main goal is to make a game that is enjoyable to as many people as possible, having this information and figuring out what we should prioritize was paramount.

In other news, as mentioned a few days ago, we started working on acquiring and setting up some of the technical aspects for this project to take place: a place to host the project files, tickets, documentation, etc., and one of the first things we had to decide on was a name. And, as with any good name, it came to me while sitting on the toilet.


The name story!

The name we've come up with is... Porn-O-Shag! Now, laugh all you want, but the name not only has (in our opinion) a nice ring to it, but its acronym also has a deeper meaning as it stems from one of the first observations we(i) made in my original post. It is about the reality that our game will, most likely, look like shit at first. A piece of shit that is! Thus POS started being used internally between us to reference the project in an inconspicuous manner around our friends or family or at work.

Then one day, while chatting about the concept of porn games, nature called, and while i was on the loo, us still chatting, i uttered Pornoshag to describe the project. Then... a moment of silence from everyone... then laughter (then i eventually gout out of the bathroom). It was perfect! Ever since then, it never fails to bring a smile on our faces when we say it out loud!
At least for the time being, this will be our game project's name!


With all that being said, our next logical step would be to move the discussion on a more flexible platform, so for anyone interested, i invite you guys to our new

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! It's been a while since i managed one so there are a few things to iron out, but I'm getting there

I will still be monitoring and answering posts here, but for anyone interested in a more direct conversation or to keep in touch with me and this project, feel free to join us there.

 

[VL4DST3R]

Hello everyone! I know we've been kinda quiet since my last post but i just wanted to update this thread and mention that we are in fact not dead, and the project is still going.

So far we've assessed if our vision for the game is actually possible and worked on setting up the framework for the different mechanics and scalability we want to have in the game. If you're interested in a weekly summary of what we've done since my last post here, i invite you to check out our

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page, all status updates are and will remain free for everyone to check out.

With this I'd also like to give a huge thanks and shoutout to KinderAlpha for his invaluable feedback and support since we started working on this project. Do check out his awesome 2D game: Roguesmut.

 

[Porn Pleb]

Im going to be Unreal Engine 4 with you chief. if you are making a game where get to control a futa's orgasm's I will give you the entirety of my next paycheck.

 

[VL4DST3R]

Im going to be Unreal Engine 4 with you chief. if you are making a game where get to control a futa's orgasm's I will give you the entirety of my next paycheck.

Bhahahahhaa oh man I'm sorry i haven't read your reply earlier, now i have tea to clean from my desk XD

control a futa's orgasm's

Care to go a bit more in-depth about what exactly you have in mind with this? Orgasm denial? Also if you feel like providing some feedback or ideas, leaving it on our Discord's #suggestions channel would be ideal, so we can keep track of it easier.

About mechanics in general, including the one you mentioned, I plan on giving the player basically every control knob for any mechanics we end up developing for the game, especially at this stage. I like to think that (in our case) not having a set target gameplay to achieve or to follow -and thus limiting everything else to follow that particular structure - lets you(me) give the player unrestricted acccess over how he'd like to break experience the game, guilt-free!

There's actually a loading "tip" message i added in as a personal reminder about what i want from this game, which states: "if you'd like to run around naked, scaring NPCs to death while juggling chairs, more power to you". There aren't yet any NPCs in the game to actually do that with but you get the idea. (You can carry chairs around tho)

 

[VL4DST3R]

I'd also like to apologize in general for being quite dead on the forum here. I'm probably doing a horrible job at this whole updating thing, but i felt that until we have some 3d titties to show bouncing around, nobody in here would be interested in me bumping this thread for no reason.

Needless to say, if anyone is still curious about the project (bar some recent irl issues that cut our available dev time), yes, the project is still being worked on, even if slower than i would have liked. But hey, i didn't call for a zombie apocalypse either and yet here we are.

 

[Porn Pleb]

Bhahahahhaa oh man I'm sorry i haven't read your reply earlier, now i have tea to clean from my desk XD


Care to go a bit more in-depth about what exactly you have in mind with this? Orgasm denial? Also if you feel like providing some feedback or ideas, leaving it on our Discord's #suggestions channel would be ideal, so we can keep track of it easier.

About mechanics in general, including the one you mentioned, I plan on giving the player basically every control knob for any mechanics we end up developing for the game, especially at this stage. I like to think that (in our case) not having a set target gameplay to achieve or to follow -and thus limiting everything else to follow that particular structure - lets you(me) give the player unrestricted acccess over how he'd like to break experience the game, guilt-free!

There's actually a loading "tip" message i added in as a personal reminder about what i want from this game, which states: "if you'd like to run around naked, scaring NPCs to death while juggling chairs, more power to you". There aren't yet any NPCs in the game to actually do that with but you get the idea. (You can carry chairs around tho)

Yes I was talking about orgasm denial. Now a days you only see orgasm denial...and the things that go along with it, On dudes. which in itself isn't bad. But I like looking at boobs, so yeah, a futa I can blue ball and tease as much as i want. And have them get more and more desperate would be very nice. As far as the discord. Sure ill hop on over and check it out...not even sure what your working on exactly but im curious.

 

[Porn Pleb]

do you mind telling me where the discord link can be found?

 

[VL4DST3R]

Yes I was talking about orgasm denial. Now a days you only see orgasm denial...and the things that go along with it, On dudes. which in itself isn't bad. But I like looking at boobs, so yeah, a futa I can blue ball and tease as much as i want. And have them get more and more desperate would be very nice.

Got it, noted.

not even sure what your working on exactly but im curious.

Well, i hoped my original post was description enough in that I'm interested in a mechanically sound game first and foremost. Something that doesn't feel cobbled together as a demo and a pain to actually play and enjoy.

I basically dream of an unholy baby between:

• Xstory (with its cloth simulation, physical interactions and immersive chat-like commands) and
  
  
• AATOFL (which has well written, believable narrative and characters, NPC autonomy and customization)

all of that ideally wrapped in some form of open world environment/hub for you to play around in. I realize it may be more than i can hope to chew, but that's my end goal.

Since help and available dev time is very limited, we're trying to focus on finishing one thing at a time and making sure its done properly, to the best of our abilities. That's why i also wanted to know what fetishes are most popular (and more reasonable to implement), so we know what to focus on first.

do you mind telling me where the discord link can be found?

It was linked in a previous message,

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[VL4DST3R]

If you'd like to actually read up on our progress so far, check the

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page. I try to post weekly summaries of what we do there. Currently we're banging our head with modeling, which is very slow and painful but it's coming along. We've also posted some timelapse videos with it if you are curious.