VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[Murgus]

it's not about influencing them, it's simply just let them a having consistent personality, that is not limited in to a box. Also what you mentioned " Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc." - has nothing do do with Maya, it was always stupid approach from dpc, that a bunch of decision that not relate to the girls are define your relationship with them

I meant that a DIK MC is clearly not acting like a girl based on the choices that he makes so Maya's comment wouldn't make sense. I don't think the level of inconsistency is that bad to be honest, it could be worse.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I meant that a DIK MC is clearly not acting like a girl based on the choices that he makes so Maya's comment wouldn't make sense. I don't think the level of inconsistency is that bad to be honest, it could be worse.

and Yet, she say that to a Dik affinity MC anyway

 

[ChipLecsap]

Early on if MC has to many dik points Josy won't text mc a sexy pic and won't like MC's flirting but passed ep 4 she is ok with it

after you end up in a relationship with her She not give a fuck about dick choices, and often give rp+, for it , unless it's involve Maya too.
Maya holding her back, so much . . .

 

[Joshy92]

after you end up in a relationship with her She not give a fuck about dick choices, and often give rp+, for it , unless it's involve Maya too.
Maya holding her back, so much . . .

Or maybe Josy is holding Maya back?

 

[Murgus]

and Yet, she say that to a Dik affinity MC anyway

Ehm she will reject a DIK MC no? And then instead of calling you a girl she wants you to stop saying beautiful words.

Or maybe you mean if you are right at the edge of neutral and then you pick a fight with Caleb right before the prep party. Sure that makes you a DIK but still borderline.

 

[anonnyscouse]

Ehm she will reject a DIK MC no? And then instead of calling you a girl she wants you to stop saying beautiful words.

Or maybe you mean if you are right at the edge of neutral and then you pick a fight with Caleb right before the prep party. Sure that makes you a DIK but still borderline.

You can have massive DIK status and DIK affinity and Maya will still like you as long as you were neutral in ep 4, that's a big inconsistency. Same with Jill, status doesn't matter as long as you are not DIK affinity, status actually affects the dialogue and normal interactions with LIs, affinity only affects the big decisions that MC makes, DIK status should actually matter more than DIK affinity, but status makes no difference to how LIs see MC.

There's actually an argument to be made that Maya likes MC on all affinities but doesn't trust a DIK affinity MC not to hurt her, she kisses MC on all affinities, even if you have minus RP with her

 

[Joshy92]

I don't like the fact that Maya likes a dik mc.

 

[Murgus]

You can have massive DIK status and DIK affinity and Maya will still like you as long as you were neutral in ep 4, that's a big inconsistency. Same with Jill, status doesn't matter as long as you are not DIK affinity, status actually affects the dialogue and normal interactions with LIs, affinity only affects the big decisions that MC makes, DIK status should actually matter more than DIK affinity, but status makes no difference to how LIs see MC.

There's actually an argument to be made that Maya likes MC on all affinities but doesn't trust a DIK affinity MC not to hurt her, she kisses MC on all affinities, even if you have minus RP with her

As I understand it there is a big difference between status and affinity. Status is based on minor choices that you make and affects some decisions you can make and dialogues. But affinity determines what kind of vibes you send out. Girls will pick up on DIK or CHICK vibes easily but not on status unless they learn about what you did (Like Becky telling Maya and Josy that you flirted with her). Status is more of a secret so to speak.

I'm not saying that there are no potential inconsistencies only that it could be way worse. Also as I said if you have DIK affinity when Maya calls you a girl she is basing that on previous encounters when you were at least neutral.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Or maybe Josy is holding Maya back?

in what fucking universe? dalixverse?

 

[Riggnarock]

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Hey that is funny and also, don't insult Da Krogan's dude. they are my race!!!!

Also on a Side Note: One of the songs Jill plays on her recital...Maroon 5 - Memories!!!!
Propably an Anthem to her Sister .
Bugged me for months/years, but i finaly found out wich song it was!

 

[anonnyscouse]

As I understand it there is a big difference between status and affinity. Status is based on minor choices that you make and affects some decisions you can make and dialogues. But affinity determines what kind of vibes you send out. Girls will pick up on DIK or CHICK vibes easily but not on status unless they learn about what you did (Like Becky telling Maya and Josy that you flirted with her). Status is more of a secret so to speak.

I'm not saying that there are no potential inconsistencies only that it could be way worse. Also as I said if you have DIK affinity when Maya calls you a girl she is basing that on previous encounters when you were at least neutral.

But that makes no sense when you actually think about it. Affinity is based on the major choices, status is based on the interactions you have with other characters (including LIs).

The major choices that decide your affinity are:

1. Fight Troy or storm off.
2. Quinn's restaurant.
3. Comfort Steve or not.
4. Fight the Jocks or run away.
5. Party without limits at the Pink Rose.
6. Fuck Jade.
7. Rooftop smoke.
8. Caleb fight.
9. Punch Tybalt.
10. Fight Tommy.
11. Fake ID.
12. Retirement home or Pink Rose.
13. Make Alphas leave HOTs party.

Once you get through those options you then have your permanent affinity set, now lets look at what the LIs would know about the decisions:

1. MC tells Bella (who doesn't care about affinity) but none of the other LIs know.
2. No LI knows about the restaurant at all, let alone MC's use of it.
3. No LI would know about this at all, Josy is the only LI who knows Steve exists and she hates him so has no reason to be in contact with him.
4. Sage knows because she sees MC immediately afterwards (but like Bella she doesn't care about affinity) however I don't think the Jocks would brag about getting beaten in a 3 on 1 fight, or even that they won a 3 on 1 fight, I don't think this decision is public knowledge (except for Sage).
5. Other than MC finishing the night doing pole dancing of his own nothing that happened there is public knowledge. (Maya knows what happened when he got back to the dorm but we don't know what happened either).
6. Totally secret for now (unless you made the DIK status decision to show the DIKs, but even then it's unlikely the LIs have any knowledge of it).
7. The DIKs know (thanks to Jacob) so knowledge may have leaked, but no-one talks about it so that seems unlikely.
8. A fight ending in a draw isn't good gossip, no reason to think any LI knows about it.
9. Jill and Bella definitely find out about this, Tybalt is disliked enough to believe this would be gossip and the other LIs could know about it too.
10. Josy and Maya know about it, otherwise not public knowledge.
11. Only public knowledge if you take the status decision to post the cluck selfie with Nicole and Sandy.
12. This one is public knowledge because you post the cluck from the retirement home if you take that option.
13. Only Jacob knows that you had any influence over that. I don't think he'd be bragging that MC got rid of the Alphas because he was too scared to talk to a girl while they were there.

So it's clear that the majority of the decisions that decide MCs affinity are not know by the LIs. Individual LIs would only know 2 or 3 at most of the decisions that decide whether they like MC or not. Meanwhile the everyday interactions that they have with MC which decide his status have no impact on whether they like him or not.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

The point I was trying to make (though admittedly worded badly) was his mindset in making the game. I don't think he's really interested in the story, writing it is just a chore that enables him to enjoy his hobby while making a living. I also don't think he's much concerned with finishing it. He seems to do just enough to keep his patrons happy, then when that's out of the way he can go back to enjoying those things that interest him.

Why wouldn't he finish the game? This is his life’s project, his alma mater, no matter how he feels about it. There are no prerequisites that indicate that he is losing interest, burnt out from the project and intends to abandon it. He continues to provide feedback and work steadily on the game, no matter what. He took time off a couple of times, but that was it.
There was already one guy, Arigon. He predicted that Ep.10 would be the last. It didn't come true.

Probably they are, already. We are at the place of the story where there is no space to grow but to reveal the secrets, get the answers instead of bring the new questions and manage branches which we already have.

DPC told about SGs already. He will satisfy all possible paths in general but only partially in each new episode, speaking of SGs. Some of SGs will have nothing from time to time and they will exchange from episode to episode. We already seen it in EP9 and EP10 and even before in S1-2. And the most part of content will be getting the side girls with a real potential paths, while the ones with filler role (Camila, Sarah, Mel, a bunch of dormies, etc) are exist only to bring us some lewd scenes from time to time. MGs are in much better position, they will always get content and amount of it will be balanced as much as possible.

I forgot I'm talking to Kpyna and you love long posts. Fuck me
There is some truth here, SGs are divided into two types - those with full-fledged relationships, and others just for fucking. We see that those who focus on relationships will receive their own blocks of content every episode - Riona (Ep11 - ?), Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Zoey. They all received some kind of activity (not necessarily lewds) in both Eps 9 and 10. At the same time, Sarah/Mel and Camila continue to receive episodic content. They were practically absent in Ep.10

Long animations was new for EP9, but now it's a routine and with his new rigs it's not a big deal either. He was quite modest with animations in EP10 btw. The only long one was a BBQ party intro. Nothing compared to EP9 3 long ass animations.

Regarding 60 fps... well, probably he should use the middle path and do interpolation instead of native 60 fps rendering. But honestly, 60 fps is looks much smoother than 30. If it doesn't increase the development time and makes him happy, since rigs don't stay idle periodically - I'm ok with them. The thing is, that the 30fps will probably won't decrease the dev time either. At least now.

By the way, I remember that DPC said that the openings and endings of the episodes would be fully animated, which was not the case in Ep.10, apparently he refused this. It is possible that the criticism of long animations reached the DPC, and he heard it. He will never admit that it was a mistake, but he can quietly remove it or reduce it.

What else mini-games do you expect? I think he didn't lied when he said he did the base work and most of them till the rest of the game. He is done with them for Season 3 and I don't expect something significant or brand new in Season 4, because this season supposed to be quite special and the last half of it will barely have something like new mini-games. Probably none at all, since we will be in the phase of highly branched story outcomes and endings. Even if he will bring some new ones, they will not be so complicated and difficult to code as it was with the party planner and so on.

Something small can be added in a winter setting. The same snowball games. Honestly, I don't mind it. Snowballs are fun.

Now to the free roams and big events. How much of this did we had in EP10? 3 events, mostly. DIK mansion party aftermath and cleaning. BBQ party and Thanksgiving at Maya's place. All other ones are minor and was ranged from middle to tiny ones. And he mentioned that he already done with at least 2 big events (probably free roams). And that sounded promising. Because the other facts are:

- more than 50% of lewd scenes are done and only 8 was left 2 weeks ago and he said that 2 more was almost ready. So at this moment and probably following the next status updates he will only have to complete the 6. And this is amazing, since it's not only about the posing, but rendering them too. It's safe to assume that they are completely done - posed and rendered.

- mini-games are done, tweaking and adding content to the existent ones is quite easy task.

- at least 2 big events (free roams) are done too, which compairing to EP10 is also more than 50% currently.

The rest and major part of work left are canon and branched scenes, static renders and writing.


Throwing 1-2 lewd scenes for 1-time fuck purposes as it was with Heather in EP9 or dorm girls in EP8 is not that hard.


I'm not so sure about the last episodes and such potential huge development time for them. He will have to unroll all the possible outcomes of branches and sub-branches and not fuck up and spoil the whole game, because the end is the most important part, bring us consequences and so on, but at the same time the last episodes are usually quite linear. I'm not even sure that we will have a free roams (at least the big ones) and mini-games in the last episodes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it useful in the epilogue part.

Despite all his obsession and constant desire to add or improve something, he is still aware that the game cannot be in development for 10 years or even more. And that the time for such games is running out and that the gap in quality between the first and last episodes is getting bigger and bigger. It's no news that many players are scared off by the visual part of the first season. Because you have to hook and hold on the old players and bring the new ones. What the new ones have to start with? Right, from the first episodes, the first season... The more years will past from now, the more awful it will look and feel for new players and the more old players will be lost due to different circumstances. At the same time, it is also impossible to remaster and pause the current development in order to bring the game and its visual part to a common denominator at the moment, and he has already expressed his point of view on this matter. That if it will be done, it will be only after the release of the final episode.

I'll be honest, let it be as you say. I myself want the episodes to come out as soon as possible. Nobody likes to wait, and I am no exception. Plus BaD spoils me a lot - I play no more than 10 high-quality AVNs, the game has raised the quality bar for me, so I can't kill time with other AVNs. We'll see how it goes. But in order not to get too upset in the future, I set a time limit for myself of one year. If the release is faster, that's good.

 

[Murgus]

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So it's clear that the majority of the decisions that decide MCs affinity are not know by the LIs. Individual LIs would only know 2 or 3 at most of the decisions that decide whether they like MC or not. Meanwhile the everyday interactions that they have with MC which decide his status have no impact on whether they like him or not.

Thanks for a good read, I agree with what you wrote but my point was a bit different. What I meant was that when the MC makes these big decisions he is permanently molding his own personality. If I don't misremember (been some time since I played DIK) some of the dialogue will change if you have a DIK or CHICK affinity. Girls pick up the vibes of the MC if he has a certain affinity and they will feel differently towards him, that is my theory. Some girls like Sage and Bella won't care, but Maya and Jill get uncomfortable if he presents himself as DIK.

Other than that it is all about relationship points I suppose. Status doesn't mean more than intrusive thoughts and whether you act upon them or not.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I forgot I'm talking to Kpyna and you love long posts. Fuck me
There is some truth here, SGs are divided into two types - those with full-fledged relationships, and others just for fucking. We see that those who focus on relationships will receive their own blocks of content every episode - Riona (Ep11 - ?), Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Zoey. They all received some kind of activity (not necessarily lewds) in both Eps 9 and 10. At the same time, Sarah/Mel and Camila continue to receive episodic content. They were practically absent in Ep.10

but we only know this distinction in the rear, and it doesn't take much to change the "status" of an SG

by chapter 8 it was predictable that Camilla would not, at least for now, have her own path? earlier she had been one of the most recurring SGs.

Nora was supposed to be the one-night stand now she is certainly a recurring character, as a professor, and probably the bearer of unwanted pregnancy.

Bianca did not even have a name before chapter 8.

all this preparatory work is not necessary to make a fuckable extra, a new romance target

 

[Kpyna]

Something small can be added in a winter setting. The same snowball games. Honestly, I don't mind it. Snowballs are fun.

Only if it's not about Joshy92 and his preferences...

 

[anonnyscouse]

Thanks for a good read, I agree with what you wrote but my point was a bit different. What I meant was that when the MC makes these big decisions he is permanently molding his own personality. If I don't misremember (been some time since I played DIK) some of the dialogue will change if you have a DIK or CHICK affinity. Girls pick up the vibes of the MC if he has a certain affinity and they will feel differently towards him, that is my theory. Some girls like Sage and Bella won't care, but Maya and Jill get uncomfortable if he presents himself as DIK.

Other than that it is all about relationship points I suppose. Status doesn't mean more than intrusive thoughts and whether you act upon them or not.

But the personality that the LIs see is how he interacts with him, that's linked to his status not his affinity. That's what should decide whether girls like the MC or not, the most important thing should be relationship points but they have ZERO influence on whether an LI likes you, you can have minus RP and still be in a relationship with the LI, status should then be the next most important thing as that's how the girls see him everyday. Affinity is a pointless addition to the game as it makes no sense that you can randomly pick major decisions to make a massive DIK status MC a permanent CHICK, even if girls never have a talk with him where he behaves like a CHICK or vice-versa.

 

[Murgus]

But the personality that the LIs see is how he interacts with him, that's linked to his status not his affinity. That's what should decide whether girls like the MC or not, the most important thing should be relationship points but they have ZERO influence on whether an LI likes you, you can have minus RP and still be in a relationship with the LI, status should then be the next most important thing as that's how the girls see him everyday. Affinity is a pointless addition to the game as it makes no sense that you can randomly pick major decisions to make a massive DIK status MC a permanent CHICK, even if girls never have a talk with him where he behaves like a CHICK or vice-versa.

Wait does status affect the MC's auto dialogue and not the affinity? I thought it was the other way around. I also thought that RP decided whether you could start a relationship with a girl. If not then that is pretty bad. My impression was that you needed a certain amount of RP to make Bella like you at least.

Either way it's strange that RP seems to mean very little. For Jill the most important thing is to go on her date, take the picture and to fight for her. But I would hope that RP would be relevant in future episodes somehow. There are unfortunately many things that seem meaningless at the moment. Doing a good or bad job with the cleaning doesn't affect anything and I haven't seen any example of when DIK happiness matters. You plan all of these parties to make the DIKs happy but why? What do you get out of it? Having good grades etc. I hope it will all come together later on in the story.

 

[anonnyscouse]

Wait does status affect the MC's auto dialogue and not the affinity? I thought it was the other way around. I also thought that RP decided whether you could start a relationship with a girl. If not then that is pretty bad. My impression was that you needed a certain amount of RP to make Bella like you at least.

Either way it's strange that RP seems to mean very little. For Jill the most important thing is to go on her date, take the picture and to fight for her. But I would hope that RP would be relevant in future episodes somehow. There are unfortunately many things that seem meaningless at the moment. Doing a good or bad job with the cleaning doesn't affect anything and I haven't seen any example of when DIK happiness matters. You plan all of these parties to make the DIKs happy but why? What do you get out of it? Having good grades etc. I hope it will all come together later on in the story.

Yeah, status affects dialogue not affinity.

The only RP that has mattered so far is actually the RP with the DIKs but only on two specific occasions: if you play with minigames off then you need high RP with the DIKs for Rusty not to sell his car and if you let the Preps into the Halloween party then the rest of the DIKs will defend you to Tommy, low RP and they'll back Tommy.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

but we only know this distinction in the rear, and it doesn't take much to change the "status" of an SG

by chapter 8 it was predictable that Camilla would not, at least for now, have her own path? earlier she had been one of the most recurring SGs.

Nora was supposed to be the one-night stand now she is certainly a recurring character, as a professor, and probably the bearer of unwanted pregnancy.

Bianca did not even have a name before chapter 8.

all this preparatory work is not necessary to make a fuckable extra, a new romance target

I never saw a potential storyline with Camila because she has nothing, just a hot college chick who likes to have a good time. Unlike Quinn, Riona, Zoey, Lily and Nicole who have a developed personality and their own story.
Nora is definitely the odd one out at this restaurant because the role of milf teacher is already filled by several characters.
Bianca? Bianca is the ultimate holy grail.

 

[DavDR]

Why wouldn't he finish the game? This is his life’s project, his alma mater, no matter how he feels about it. There are no prerequisites that indicate that he is losing interest, burnt out from the project and intends to abandon it. He continues to provide feedback and work steadily on the game, no matter what. He took time off a couple of times, but that was it.
There was already one guy, Arigon. He predicted that Ep.10 would be the last. It didn't come true.

I forgot I'm talking to Kpyna and you love long posts. Fuck me
There is some truth here, SGs are divided into two types - those with full-fledged relationships, and others just for fucking. We see that those who focus on relationships will receive their own blocks of content every episode - Riona (Ep11 - ?), Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Zoey. They all received some kind of activity (not necessarily lewds) in both Eps 9 and 10. At the same time, Sarah/Mel and Camila continue to receive episodic content. They were practically absent in Ep.10

By the way, I remember that DPC said that the openings and endings of the episodes would be fully animated, which was not the case in Ep.10, apparently he refused this. It is possible that the criticism of long animations reached the DPC, and he heard it. He will never admit that it was a mistake, but he can quietly remove it or reduce it.

Something small can be added in a winter setting. The same snowball games. Honestly, I don't mind it. Snowballs are fun.



I'll be honest, let it be as you say. I myself want the episodes to come out as soon as possible. Nobody likes to wait, and I am no exception. Plus BaD spoils me a lot - I play no more than 10 high-quality AVNs, the game has raised the quality bar for me, so I can't kill time with other AVNs. We'll see how it goes. But in order not to get too upset in the future, I set a time limit for myself of one year. If the release is faster, that's good.

I meant in the sense of not letting it end. Maybe he will finally reach a point where he feels like he's made enough money to end the game. Or, he may decide that it's not in his interest to do so, four seasons become five, five seasons six and so on until enough people get tired of waiting and stop supporting. And if you look at his Patreon and Discord you'll see quite a few that would go on supporting. That's what I meant about mindset. DPC has no real reason to end the game until it's in his interest to do so.