VN Ren'Py Bad Memories [v0.8.5] [recreation]

[recreation]

If I may, a way to envision the base GUI variables in every gui script... remember, they are just variables nothing more. That said they are designed to be the baseline for the rest of your VN to build off of meaning if you need a new style/var for any screen/scene (for this example let's randomly use Preferences screen and specifically checkboxes) then one would create new styles that use the gui basline for the initial setup then change any other screen specific as needed. This is why in this example for "check button text" you'd start by bringing in the baseline of the main gui's overall button/text styling:

style check_button_text is gui_button_text

Then you could alter just the specific attribute that you feel needs to be different from the gui baseline, let's say the size for example so after the above parent inheritance you'd need just one additional line added:

style check_button_text size 28

To make it even simpler you can combine the two as well. This way you don't have to keep rewriting the same baseline code over and over (that's why there is gui variables to begin with, to make things efficient):

style check_button_text is gui_button_text:
    size 28

So I don't add confusion, just think of the entire UI variable system is setup like a hierarchy or pyramid. This is so you don't have to repeat code over and over again, you can just inherit from a baseline style/var bank and simply change only the specific items needed. It's actually a clever system once you wrap you head around the inheritance system.

Wall of text, apologies but just hoping to help a bit.

BTW, I have the picker working correctly. I'm now sorting it so if "reset" that the sample color and associated hex/rgb data reflects the reset default color/data. It'll all be okay bud, I know it can be overwhelming at times... I feel that way at times too. When struggling just walk away for a bit, clear your mind, then attack it fresh keeping it basic and simple so you don't get yourself going in circles (which is easy to do, our minds start playing the code problems we face in loops and creating "tunnel vision").

Thanks, but that's not really what I'm talking about. It's more the simple stuff like for example:
- why does text "..." use the dialogue style
- why does the whole UI need to be refreshed when I want a single variable to change within the menu (I know the answer, but it's one of the reasons I hate the UI)
- why does the UI have to have a static size
- why does renpy generate images for the ui, when it could just use color codes

There's so much more, a lot of illogical things and barely anything documented. I don't remember much specific atm, because it's late and I'm tired, so I better go to bed, otherwise I'll rant the while night.

 

[Kassan06969]

What really sucks is when a variable gets added old saves don't work.

 

[lolzw00t]

Sooo Kath is just exploiting this family isnt she? exploiting rachel mostly, i mean shes aware Ellie is hiding the fact she can speak, she never tells that to rachel, she keeps coming for years, pushing ellie to try and speak and pretty much JUST that no other "therapy" session is done. and she charges each session every week with nothing to show for it.

 

[Areyouken]

that last scene was great. MC should have put his dick in Rachel's ass and let Ellie taste it in case he wanted to see how far she'd go

 

[Night Hacker]

that last scene was great. MC should have put his dick in Rachel's ass and let Ellie taste it in case he wanted to see how far she'd go

LMAO... I can't even imagine ANYONE wanting to do that! Can you imagine the conversation with a woman?

Man: I just pulled my dick out of an ass, please taste it!
Woman: Guess again!!!

 

[Kassan06969]

I've seen anal to mouth in games and anal to vaginal (good way for her to get a UTI.)

 

[Night Hacker]

I've seen anal to mouth in games and anal to vaginal (good way for her to get a UTI.)

It's SO disgusting! I would be like "lick the shit off your own dick you sick fuck!"

 

[Kassan06969]

It's SO disgusting! I would be like "lick the shit off your own dick you sick fuck!"

Well, it needs to be cleaned out first, like by enema before anal like in porn. I learned from a gay friend they usually use douche. That's nasty if the shit's still up there.

 

[Yngling]

LMAO... I can't even imagine ANYONE wanting to do that! Can you imagine the conversation with a woman?

Man: I just pulled my dick out of an ass, please taste it!
Woman: Guess again!!!

I've seen anal to mouth in games and anal to vaginal (good way for her to get a UTI.)

Well, it needs to be cleaned out first, like by enema before anal like in porn. I learned from a gay friend they usually use douche. That's nasty if the shit's still up there.

I guess it is some kind of power fantasy: "see what I can make this slut do to me". But Kassan06969 is right, it's a good way to get infections. I doubt that an enemy / douche will be sufficient to prevent it though.

 

[GingerbreadMan]

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I'm fine with the inner dialog. It's not excessive, at least compared to other games. How else would you suggest the MC expressing to the player his thoughts? I suppose there could be a friend character that the MC talks to, rather than internal dialog, but since 95% of games here abhor any other male characters of any kind, that seems a non-starter. With no inner dialog, and only dialog between the few LIs, the game would be rather dry, I think.

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I don't have the same problems with Bad Memories, I can sympathize with the base line for I have similar problems with other games though.

What I understood from the complaint about inner monologues in this instance was, that the actual spoken dialog felt interrupted by inner monologue too often to them.
Like, how often do you actually stop talking to whomever you have a conversation with, think things over, and have an inner monologue while the person you're talking to just waits for you to take up the conversation again?
I actually saw one or two games incorporating remarks about this from NPCs.
You could add such monologues when no actual conversation takes place for example.

The second part seems to fall into the "show not tell" phenomenon of movies. If you can handle a topic by just showing the MC's thoughts/issues by how s/he converses (so not spelling it out, but hinting about it) instead of doing an info dump monologue mid-sentence, that sounds preferable.

Where you draw the line of what feels interrupting or too much is highly subjective of course.

 

[barrymammen]

Ok. Well, we all of have our pet peeves. For me it's the MC perving on sleeping characters, dream sequences, and especially repetitive sandbox games. If there is even the slightest grind, or having to watch the same scene over and over again to get the next scene (only on Tuesday after 5 PM, if you brushed your teeth before 9AM), it is going in my never play again pile.

I'm fine with the inner dialog. It's not excessive, at least compared to other games. How else would you suggest the MC expressing to the player his thoughts? I suppose there could be a friend character that the MC talks to, rather than internal dialog, but since 95% of games here abhor any other male characters of any kind, that seems a non-starter. With no inner dialog, and only dialog between the few LIs, the game would be rather dry, I think.

I enjoy about 2/3rds of the other games you listed. I am not sure that I agree that most of them have better writing. Plus, many of your examples have just as much inner dialog, or more, than Bad Memories.

Anyway, glad you are specific at least with what you don't like. Every game, no matter how popular or liked by many, will be enjoyed by everyone. Or as a corollary, "you can't please everyone".

I owe an apology of sorts to you and everyone else who read my rant. And just to be fair to me I did say that inner dialog is necessary just not in the amounts we see in most games. What I didn't get across was that I didn't care for the MC's inner dialog, not so much for it's quantity, but because I didn't like all his childish snarks when he was having conversations. Some character would say something and he would come right back with some juvenile remark using "inner dialog". again I apologize.

 

[lnomsim]

Inner monologue is kind of mandatory when you tell your story in a first-person point of view, that's how you make the narration.

How often do I stop talking to someone to reflect on my thought? IRL? Never, because I have a brain capable of multitasking, that's how I stay alive, generally, I think and reflect at the same time I am talking.

On a piece of paper, it's kind of hard to do, that's why 3rd or omniscient points of view are used the most.

But even then, I strongly suggest you read more books, because conversations are often followed by descriptions. The only case in which it doesn't happen is on scripts.

But then you have lines of dialogues and lines of descriptions.

Yes, some games manage to have dialogues without description or even without narration. Because that's the beauty of games, they are visuals, and the player/audience can already see what's happening without needing more description. Nonetheless, inner monologue is the only solution when you need to know what the character is thinking.

 

[Night Hacker]

I guess it is some kind of power fantasy: "see what I can make this slut do to me". But Kassan06969 is right, it's a good way to get infections. I doubt that an enemy / douche will be sufficient to prevent it though.

I get a kick out of the games that give me the option to lick her ass or whatever... and I am like "I don't fucking think so!!! Not in real life and not in a game!"

 

[Mistress Elizabeth]

I guess it is some kind of power fantasy: "see what I can make this slut do to me". But Kassan06969 is right, it's a good way to get infections. I doubt that an enemy / douche will be sufficient to prevent it though.

Me and my girlfriend do anal, and even with enemas you can't be 100% sure that everything will be totally clean. And even if everything looks clean, and even if you perfectly know that both of you are healthy, infections are invisible, so, yes, you should always be careful. We're two girls, so we mainly use toys, which involves less risk that using a penis, but we obviously clean and disinfect them well before using them again. Same thing when using our fingers.

If someone with a penis wants to do anal, I think they should always use a condom.

The thing in porn is that they not only they get enemas, they usually "prepare" themselves for a couple of days, having a specific diet and taking laxatives, to reduce risks further more and get as clean as possible.

 

[Deleted member 12408]

Rachel has gorgeous breasts. My appreciation to the master.

 

[Fucker289]

old mod?? any new mod?

 

[Fucker289]

what????????

 

[ramvivat]

and still I don’t understand why the incest patch?
because if you turn Rachel into a mother and Ellie into a sister, the narrative becomes illogical.
then you need to rewrite the plot, impoverish it, throw out many paragraphs from the prehistory.
no, Rachel can't have any other role than being a stepmother, and Ellie is a half-sister, that's all.
the "incest" tag is appropriate, but the incest patch, on the contrary, spoils everything.
the tag "incest" is appropriate because the connection with the stepmother - from the point of view of the law, is still an incestuous relationship.
Equally, sex with a half-sister - all the same, the offspring will be inbred, since they are blood relatives on the father's side.

 

[red_faced]

and still I don’t understand why the incest patch?
because if you turn Rachel into a mother and Ellie into a sister, the narrative becomes illogical.
then you need to rewrite the plot, impoverish it, throw out many paragraphs from the prehistory.
no, Rachel can't have any other role than being a stepmother, and Ellie is a half-sister, that's all.
the "incest" tag is appropriate, but the incest patch, on the contrary, spoils everything.
the tag "incest" is appropriate because the connection with the stepmother - from the point of view of the law, is still an incestuous relationship.
Equally, sex with a half-sister - all the same, the offspring will be inbred, since they are blood relatives on the father's side.

I think being half-sisters with Ellie is the main reason for the incest tag.

Also, in the newest update...

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[Udayana]

the tag "incest" is appropriate because the connection with the stepmother - from the point of view of the law, is still an incestuous relationship.

The law? There is only one? In my country and some others incest is not forbidden, the word is perhaps not even present in the code.