Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.40.0] [Selebus]

[ccxvidonaferens]

It was in the context of beginning to end, not just this section of the game.

Ah. Thank you.

 

[Angra Shadow]

I'm of the opinion that we're still pretty far from the Dark Route. Iirc Sel specifically said that he might feel comfortable saying we're "20%" in a while back, but where he actually was is around the 15% mark, and I assume the end of Ch3 will be that 20%, which adds up with the word count having just hit 2M and he has said that he's envisioning the whole thing to be 10M. Not to mention he has said that every character will be romanceable before the Dark Route starts, and we aren't anywhere near that point yet. I think he mentioned having each main girl at about 50 events and the side girls at about 25, I can't check now if he was specifically talking about the Harem Route but I do remember it being the case.

So honestly, I think the Harem Route will take at least until Ch5 to end.

 

[ElukiaTV]

So... Autum.. or... Fall, will be the dark season, and Spring will be the light season.
Just making a pararel between the sometime told "dark route" followed by the "purity routes".

Just a Game Theory.

 

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Hi everybody. Here's Chiaki's card. Now exactly all the characters.

By the way, there is a small nuance. Selebus began to ban for the KK arts in his discord. So be careful. We have a dude from the Ru community who was banned from Selebus for this. Moreover, there according to moderators, you almost need to send cards for verification in order to be published.

 

[Axismundi]

What are the odds that Ami is sensei's daughter in your opinion?

I want to say 0% because it doesn't really change anything with the current characters. The effects on the Ami situation would be minimal; if you're a bad uncle, then you've already crossed the "willing to indulge in incest" line in the sand, so nothing new there. And if you're a good uncle, then the reason for Akira to not bang Ami stays the same. And I only see Akira caring about it in a good uncle playthrough.

It wouldn't change much about Sekai, either. We already know she's an unfaithful, manipulative groomer, and none of that changes if she gets knocked up by Akira.

It could have a big impact on our interpretation of Akira's brother, but his presence in the story is minimal, and I don't see that changing until the very end of the story.

I feel like it's a "twist" that doesn't twist anything in the story at the moment. But I'm usually wrong about all my theories, so the fact that I think it's not going to happen probably raises the chance of it happening to around 80%.

 

[Tonytiger13]

stuck in the broken world don't know how to get out

 

[worthlesspeon]

Hi everybody. Here's Chiaki's card. Now exactly all the characters.

By the way, there is a small nuance. Selebus began to ban for the KK arts in his discord. So be careful. We have a dude from the Ru community who was banned from Selebus for this. Moreover, there according to moderators, you almost need to send cards for verification in order to be published.

Not surprised he's throwing a tantrum. Honestly, getting banned from that discord is probably a good thing.

 

[DeSkel15]

What are the odds that Ami is sensei's daughter in your opinion?

I think it's highly likely. I struggle to see Sekai loving Ami more than Sensei if they hadn't had created her together:

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and it could definitely fit the presumed timeline. Of course, I could easily be wrong, and Sekai merely loves Ami because she is simply a creation of hers.

 

[DeSkel15]

Honestly? I think the question we need to be asking ourselves is "Is Sensei his own father?"

I actually wouldn't be all that surprised if Sensei turns out to be some kind of reincarnation of Yuu from Sel's last game, who is presumably his father since Yuu and Saki seemed to want to marry eachother.

There's also how Nao implies Sensei is meant to struggle then be replaced by his children:

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Which may have been what happened to Sensei's father.

Some kind of You are god (Yuu), You are god's son (Sensei), and You are The Holy Spirit (The invisible player), all in one, stuff. An effed up pseudo biblical and pseudo gnostic inspiration of the Trinity or Demiurge. Albeit, I'm likely getting ahead of myself.

 

[DeSkel15]

Random, but this may have been one of the few times I casually got what Molly was talking about:

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Me:

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That reference:

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and:

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[dantarium]

stuck in the broken world don't know how to get out

if it is during your 1st reset, then get gog love to 5 and then go to school on sunday

 

[fdsasdf_p]

I actually think it might be the other way around. Sana remembering the slumber party is the false memory, just like how Makoto remembers killing herself but it's treated as hallucinations in her mind. Although I suppose it's more like retconned memories than false ones. Time gets rewritten, but memories aren't rewritten competently, leaving behind memories of things that couldn't have happened. Similar to how people tend to overlook how long it's been, even when noting it's been years or more than one of the same Holiday within one year.

For the record the false memory I referred to is any memory that conflicts with what Sensei remembers (or at least what players saw), regardless if it later on got corrected or rewritten or not. So Makoto's no longer existing suicide attempt is real, the may-or-may-not-existing 3rd reset sleepover is real, years of memories compressed into one single semester are all real; they just don't make sense, but they're real.
(but by my own logic this means Tsuneyo knowing Sensei's first day speech would be a false memory, something I am not too sure how to think of haha)

Meanwhile Sana mentions nothing weird about the slumber party itself, but she seems unsure of when it actually happened.

I read this in a much simpler way, that Sensei starts being weird about something happened so recently, and Sana merely confirmed that what Sensei thought to be a no longer existing sleepover still happened, with a tinge of "are you okay?" tone rather an uncertainty. I'd probably respond the same way if someone suddenly stares at me and has an out of nowhere existential crisis over a sleepover.

Tsuneyo on the other hand mentions it ended strangely, implying it's not a false memory, but an actual one. She didn't seem to have trouble placing the memory or what happened back then. Albeit, Tsuneyo can apparently remember things she's not even around for. So, who knows what's going on with her memory.

"Ended strangely" is indeed intriguing; unless she was just referring to Sensei leaving the sleepover in the middle of the night after getting a call, but I am open to the idea of her witnessing something when a reset takes place. As for her "remembering" something Sensei said only to the first 10 girls (well, 9 because Yumi wasn't there lol), I think this might be less about Tsuneyo but more about this new game+ mechanics that Kumon-mi uses that has an effect on her; if only we can ask Molly the same thing and see if she also remembers a speech that she wasn't there to attend.

Btw, from what I understand, the Slumber party was on Saturday night, but by the time Sensei got done talking to Ayane and made it back home, when the reset starts, it was Sunday (after midnight). By the time the reset was over, and Sensei checked up on Ayane it was around 3 am:

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Sunday:

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In other words, Sana, Ami, Molly, and Tsuneyo should have been at his house while he was talking with Ayane here, but Sana's definitely not. Monday wasn't really involved in the third reset, besides Sensei mentioning he'll be a better teacher tomorrow, then rephrasing it as him being a better teacher today technically, since he's deciding to be a better one now. (Which likely lead to the confusion)

I thought Sensei questioning Ayane was Sunday-Monday (aka about a day after the sleepover) and not Saturday-Sunday is solely based on her saying "...even if it's almost time for school" during a 3am exchange, so I quickly went back to a 3rd reset save to check on exactly what day it is.

Sensei went back home to sleep at the start of Word of the Day, which takes place after meeting with Ayane the first time on the roof on Saturday night, then it transitions to 3rd reset BS puzzle part of the event that takes place on Sunday. Then, what followed immediately after 3am exchange is (bad uncle route) As Light As Air on Monday.

Though what exact day it is probably bares little relevance, this is a very roundabout way to say that Sana can be at her dorm when Sensei checked on Ayane because the timepoint of that may-or-may-not-exist sleepover has already been in the past; Sana's presence there isn't a valid evidence to prove that the sleepover got rewritten into never happened (i.e., not a "Weren't you supposed to be in my house?" kind of encounter). The technically today to me is as literal as Sensei revising himself since it is not Sunday midnight but Monday early morning. Once again if only we can ask Molly again to see if she remembered anything about a sleepover lol.

But I do notice that Ayane said "And I can't really figure out why Sana would be here if there actually was one [sleepover]" a bit confusing though, a piece that doesn't fit well into what I proposed (so here you go my weak spot!). And I think there is still a possibility that the sleepover became "unhappened", but current findings aren't concrete enough to support it.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I actually wouldn't be all that surprised if Sensei turns out to be some kind of reincarnation of Yuu from Sel's last game, who is presumably his father since Yuu and Saki seemed to want to marry eachother.

There's also how Nao implies Sensei is meant to struggle then be replaced by his children:Which may have been what happened to Sensei's father.

Some kind of You are god (Yuu), You are god's son (Sensei), and You are The Holy Spirit (The invisible player), all in one, stuff. An effed up pseudo biblical and pseudo gnostic inspiration of the Trinity or Demiurge. Albeit, I'm likely getting ahead of myself.

I mean, there was that whole emphasis on the Trinity. And adult Akira has met young Saki in-game, not recognized who she was, and it would be %100 on brand for him to try to sleaze his way into her pants the next time that happens.

 

[Bingoogus]

I mean, there was that whole emphasis on the Trinity. And adult Akira has met young Saki in-game, not recognized who she was, and it would be %100 on brand for him to try to sleaze his way into her pants the next time that happens.

"Behold my enormous penis and fall to its hypnotic power" "now spread your legs".

 

[DeSkel15]

For the record the false memory I referred to is any memory that conflicts with what Sensei remembers (or at least what players saw), regardless if it later on got corrected or rewritten or not. So Makoto's no longer existing suicide attempt is real, the may-or-may-not-existing 3rd reset sleepover is real, years of memories compressed into one single semester are all real; they just don't make sense, but they're real.
(but by my own logic this means Tsuneyo knowing Sensei's first day speech would be a false memory, something I am not too sure how to think of haha)

I see, yeah, I wouldn't really consider Sensei's memory all that reliable though, and perhaps he affects what we see happening instead of what actually happens, so even what we are shown isn't necessarily reliable.

Like this for example:

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Still, Sensei's memories themselves are untrustworthy. Especially those involving the roof with others besides Maya. Take his meeting with Ayane for example:

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There's no logical reason for her and him to have met at the top of the roof during the slumber party and right before the reset. Even though we saw it.

In other words, It's possible that Sensei's memories (and our own) are false as well. It's possible that Sensei, Sana, and Ayane all had their memories altered at different points. It's not like Sensei's memories are some exception to the rules. Not to mention, he seemed to be trippin before meeting up with Ayane:

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So, the roof stuff could have never actually happened, and we, as well as Sensei, simply saw it that way.

Also "Nothing is real". But, yeah I get what you're saying. Tsuneyo is definitely an outlier when it comes to this stuff.

Overall: I consider false memories any memory that seems to be edited. Albeit depending on the context, retconned and rewritten could fit better.

I read this in a much simpler way, that Sensei starts being weird about something happened so recently, and Sana merely confirmed that what Sensei thought to be a no longer existing sleepover still happened, with a tinge of "are you okay?" tone rather an uncertainty. I'd probably respond the same way if someone suddenly stares at me and has an out of nowhere existential crisis over a sleepover.

"Ended strangely" is indeed intriguing; unless she was just referring to Sensei leaving the sleepover in the middle of the night after getting a call, but I am open to the idea of her witnessing something when a reset takes place. As for her "remembering" something Sensei said only to the first 10 girls (well, 9 because Yumi wasn't there lol), I think this might be less about Tsuneyo but more about this new game+ mechanics that Kumon-mi uses that has an effect on her; if only we can ask Molly the same thing and see if she also remembers a speech that she wasn't there to attend.

I definitely get more of a "It's hard to recall, but it had to have happened as I remember certain parts of it" interpretation, from Sana. But to each their own.

Sensei leaving, wouldn't really matter due to the slumber party not ending just because he left. It definitely seemed to end before he returned though. Tsuneyo also seemed unfazed by girls going Tshaped and the rabbits and stuff later on:

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So, her definition of "strangely" is likely significantly strange. Can't really think of what she could be referring to besides reset stuff, tbh. Molly's input would definitely be interesting though, but it's possible she'd have false memories as well.

I thought Sensei questioning Ayane was Sunday-Monday (aka about a day after the sleepover) and not Saturday-Sunday is solely based on her saying "...even if it's almost time for school" during a 3am exchange, so I quickly went back to a 3rd reset save to check on exactly what day it is.

Sensei went back home to sleep at the start of Word of the Day, which takes place after meeting with Ayane the first time on the roof on Saturday night, then it transitions to 3rd reset BS puzzle part of the event that takes place on Sunday. Then, what followed immediately after 3am exchange is (bad uncle route) As Light As Air on Monday.

Though what exact day it is probably bares little relevance, this is a very roundabout way to say that Sana can be at her dorm when Sensei checked on Ayane because the timepoint of that may-or-may-not-exist sleepover has already been in the past; Sana's presence there isn't a valid evidence to prove that the sleepover got rewritten into never happened (i.e., not a "Weren't you supposed to be in my house?" kind of encounter). The technically today to me is as literal as Sensei revising himself since it is not Sunday midnight but Monday early morning. Once again if only we can ask Molly again to see if she remembered anything about a sleepover lol.

But I do notice that Ayane said "And I can't really figure out why Sana would be here if there actually was one [sleepover]" a bit confusing though, a piece that doesn't fit well into what I proposed (so here you go my weak spot!). And I think there is still a possibility that the sleepover became "unhappened", but current findings aren't concrete enough to support it.

I'm pretty sure it's just Saturday night to Sunday morning. It's why Sensei asks what Ayane remembers from tonight and she replied she was with him:

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Which is something that happened on Saturday night during the Slumber Party.

Ayane's reference to it being almost time for school was in reference to school being tomorrow, so going over to a Slumber Party today wouldn't make much sense. It's likely why Sensei notes he didn't realize it was Sunday after she says that:

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Then that he'll be a real teacher tomorrow:

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Before rephrasing it, since he's deciding to be one right now. It's also why he wanted to see if the Slumber party was still going:

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Since they should still be there. Which wouldn't make sense if it was Monday morning.

I also think 'Light as Air' takes place about 3 hours after talking to Ayane, post reset, around 6 am:

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and the references to screwing Ami before school was just roleplay.

As for the reset itself, after talking to Ayane it seems to start when Sensei gets home hence him saying "I'm home":

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Then he breaks out of it "mad quick":

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So, I don't think much time could have passed since he talked to Ayane. Maya hadn't even got to the roof yet apparently.

Overall: It's an overly confusing event chain that can be easily misinterpretated. But I think the whole thing actually took place within hours, between Saturday night to Sunday morning.

 

[DeSkel15]

"Behold my enormous penis and fall to its hypnotic power" "now spread your legs".

Saki's response:

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Then they make a Dream Baby, because I wouldn't put it past this game.

 

[Algorist]

I'm of the opinion that we're still pretty far from the Dark Route. Iirc Sel specifically said that he might feel comfortable saying we're "20%" in a while back, but where he actually was is around the 15% mark, and I assume the end of Ch3 will be that 20%, which adds up with the word count having just hit 2M and he has said that he's envisioning the whole thing to be 10M. Not to mention he has said that every character will be romanceable before the Dark Route starts, and we aren't anywhere near that point yet. I think he mentioned having each main girl at about 50 events and the side girls at about 25, I can't check now if he was specifically talking about the Harem Route but I do remember it being the case.

So honestly, I think the Harem Route will take at least until Ch5 to end.

So you are telling me, assuming Selebus keeps his current pace, we still have roughly 13 ~ 14 years to go before this thing's finished? It'll probably be a bit longer since he'll take several breaks in this time frame (assuming standard life stuff happens). That's tough.

I don't know when he started developing this game, so I'll use the start of this thread as the reference.

I made some (rough) calculations and estimated his total LiL income in these 17 years (give or take a few months) would be around US$ 3 million.
Assuming someone subscribed next month, they would be expected to spend at minimum $815 until LiL ended. That's the price of a reasonably decent laptop.

Coincidentally, it took James Joyce around 17 years to write Finnegans Wake.

 

[hario1225]

been trying to experiment, so far it's been fun lol

 

[5A 61 68 79 6E 68 79 6B]

Few art's with card's

 

[Angra Shadow]

So you are telling me, assuming Selebus keeps his current pace, we still have roughly 13 ~ 14 years to go before this thing's finished? It'll probably be a bit longer since he'll take several breaks in this time frame (assuming standard life stuff happens). That's tough.

I don't know when he started developing this game, so I'll use the start of this thread as the reference.

I made some (rough) calculations and estimated his total LiL income in these 17 years (give or take a few months) would be around US$ 3 million.
Assuming someone subscribed next month, they would be expected to spend at minimum $815 until LiL ended. That's the price of a reasonably decent laptop.

Coincidentally, it took James Joyce around 17 years to write Finnegans Wake.

Yeah I assume it will take at least a decade to finish and it's insane to think about it that way.