felicemastronzo

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I just finished chapter 24 with a solo route with Katie.

I proposed to her and she said to ask her in a year. My stats are 756/878 and 116/204.

At no time have I been unfaithful to her, beyond a few glances at other girls, but I have always rejected them.

My surprise was when playing chapter 24 independently and answering some questions, she does agree to get married.

So, my question is: does anyone know what I did wrong so that in my saved game it said that it is still too early for marriage and by playing the independent chapter he does want to do it?
From my mobile phone I can't check but from the scores you show I'd say you got more than one key decision wrong with Katie.
Take a look at the Walkthrough :


https://f95zone.to/threads/where-the-heart-is-ep-24-cheekygimp.10549/post-13051786
 
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el_balrog

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From my point of view, my decisions with Katie were always correct, I was never unfaithful to her, my responses were always mostly romantic towards her, I never wanted to encourage her to be a lesbian, nor to form threesomes or relationships with anyone else, I didn't even have sexual relations with Natasha and although she got angry at first, I think it was the right decision to put Katy on the right path since revenge didn't bring anything good.
It's absurd to see how the game plays out, in which the two are in love, they have sex, she admits to her friends that she loves him and is changing her ways, they openly tell Monica and Jenna that they have a romantic relationship, and in In the final romantic scene full of candles, she tells him to put a child inside her when seconds before he just told her that he doesn't want to marry her.

And then I discover that playing chapter 24 independently and answering the questions it asks you just like I played it and that there it does say YES I LOVE YOU, and why, because instead of being romantic you have to be immature pedantic with jokes or leering at other girls. Absurd in its entirety no matter how you want to look at it.
 
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el_balrog

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Actually, for me the main problem was discovering that if you played chapter 24 independently, Katie said yes, and that's when I asked myself what the hell I did wrong.
As I have already said, my actions have always been on the romantic side because Katie's own character gave you clues that although she herself said that she didn't like it, it was really a lie and that a little kitten was hiding under that hard skin. The evidence is that she herself admits that she would like to change the way she speaks and behaves, just as, although she says that she likes men who flirt with other women, it is shown that this is not really the case because she herself admits Although she said that, every time it happens she gets unbearable jealousy and it's not like her, so they couldn't say that this character is like that and if you don't like it, you're screwed because they were really giving you proof that the character It was totally different from what she wanted to appear, and that was really what I liked about her.

If I hadn't discovered that already in this chapter 24 he says yes, I would have thought that that would be reserved for the last chapter 25, but when I discovered that it is not like that, that's when I became a little disappointed towards this game. I haven't looked at the tutorial because I've never liked watching tutorials for playing games since I like to do it as realistically as possible to what would be my own real choices that I would make in life, but I'll take a look because I am very curious to know what the logic was in the answers that had to be given to Katy to score more points and to only change the course of the game in one thing, which is IF I WANT the end. Because everything else has developed exactly the same.
 

Skep-tiker

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Actually, for me the main problem was discovering that if you played chapter 24 independently, Katie said yes, and that's when I asked myself what the hell I did wrong.
As I have already said, my actions have always been on the romantic side because Katie's own character gave you clues that although she herself said that she didn't like it, it was really a lie and that a little kitten was hiding under that hard skin. The evidence is that she herself admits that she would like to change the way she speaks and behaves, just as, although she says that she likes men who flirt with other women, it is shown that this is not really the case because she herself admits Although she said that, every time it happens she gets unbearable jealousy and it's not like her, so they couldn't say that this character is like that and if you don't like it, you're screwed because they were really giving you proof that the character It was totally different from what she wanted to appear, and that was really what I liked about her.

If I hadn't discovered that already in this chapter 24 he says yes, I would have thought that that would be reserved for the last chapter 25, but when I discovered that it is not like that, that's when I became a little disappointed towards this game. I haven't looked at the tutorial because I've never liked watching tutorials for playing games since I like to do it as realistically as possible to what would be my own real choices that I would make in life, but I'll take a look because I am very curious to know what the logic was in the answers that had to be given to Katy to score more points and to only change the course of the game in one thing, which is IF I WANT the end. Because everything else has developed exactly the same.
Especially in the beginning she is very much into bantering with MC. And she values MCs help with Natasha, even if this is sketchy...
 

el_balrog

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I guess you're wrong here.

Well, if that is the mistake, then the only thing I can say is that the game fails miserably because if to win the affection of a character you have to do horrible things or behave like an insensitive immature person, it loses all human and sentimental logic.

I already liked Katie before that party, and my decision not to fuck Natasha seemed more logical to me, and I assumed it was the best thing for the future of a relationship with her. If this game is based on a points system in which the most unrealistic options are the ones that give you the most points, it is really not a realistic or interesting game, and a tag called FANTASY should be added for such cases. Because that's what it would be. If one of the differences between a woman telling you that she is marrying you or not is whether you have fucked Natasha or not, then someone explain it to me.
 

Maviarab

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Well, if that is the mistake, then the only thing I can say is that the game fails miserably because if to win the affection of a character you have to do horrible things or behave like an insensitive immature person, it loses all human and sentimental logic.

I already liked Katie before that party, and my decision not to fuck Natasha seemed more logical to me, and I assumed it was the best thing for the future of a relationship with her. If this game is based on a points system in which the most unrealistic options are the ones that give you the most points, it is really not a realistic or interesting game, and a tag called FANTASY should be added for such cases. Because that's what it would be. If one of the differences between a woman telling you that she is marrying you or not is whether you have fucked Natasha or not, then someone explain it to me.
Get over yourself...seriously.

It's a pivotal plot point in Katies arc....the girls has bullied her for years...made fun of her...and Katie wants her revenge...and she asks you to help her...because she trusts you...and thinks you have her back because at this point, you're not actually in a relationship with her...so she has not started to change her personality.

There...explained.
 

Dark Silence

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Get over yourself...seriously.

It's a pivotal plot point in Katies arc....the girls has bullied her for years...made fun of her...and Katie wants her revenge...and she asks you to help her...because she trusts you...and thinks you have her back because at this point, you're not actually in a relationship with her...so she has not started to change her personality.

There...explained.
Another one for the list for me. People are so full of shit. Tell him like it is, bro:
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el_balrog

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Especially in the beginning she is very much into bantering with MC. And she values MCs help with Natasha, even if this is sketchy...


Yeah, well, I can understand that at the beginning of the story where the two are getting to know each other, and where in fact the game doesn't give you many options other than 'get angry, don't say anything or continue the joke'.
But once you notice that they both begin to feel something, it is more logical that to conquer her it is by saying things more appropriate to the new relationship, and not continue telling her things like that his penis is bigger than the black one on WhatsApp xdddd
And I still say that fucking Natasha for the sake of revenge might work for Katie in a loveless casual sex relationship, but not for a romantic story. It's meaningless.
 

Skep-tiker

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If I remember correctly, she came to the conclusion that it was over the top herself later in the game, bit also that she can trust you and that you will help her with all means possible. She's a chatakter with flaws instead of a predictable two dimensional LI. It seems that you are angered that she doesn't behave like you predicted.
 
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felicemastronzo

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Well, if that is the mistake, then the only thing I can say is that the game fails miserably because if to win the affection of a character you have to do horrible things or behave like an insensitive immature person, it loses all human and sentimental logic.
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If you are referring to Revenge porn with Natasha you are wrong. You may not do it and Katie quietly accepts your behaviour.

If you're referring to something else explain yourself
 

el_balrog

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If you are referring to Revenge porn with Natasha you are wrong. You may not do it and Katie quietly accepts your behaviour.

If you're referring to something else explain yourself


Specifically, I was not the one who referred to it. I have responded to someone who told me about some listings I made in the options I chose that the most serious mistake could be because I chose not to have sex with Natasha. And then others have justified the fact that not having sex with Natasha was a clear sign of losing points by arguing that they were bullied and revenge was very important to her and having denied you was disappointing for her. I didn't say it, and I don't know if that is the specific reason for the drastic loss of points.
In the end, my not-so-positive opinion of the situation is specifically due to the fact that it doesn't matter what you choose, since if you want to follow a specific path with Katie alone, you will do it and it will end the same with the date of candles, sex and asking her to be pregnant . But the only change in the final scene is whether or not she agrees to marry you, and that is where the choices do influence. And I see it as enormously illogical that for a final romance situation, the I DO is based more on the lust score and not the romance score when I consider that the most logical thing would be the opposite.
It may or may not be argued whether I have misinterpreted Katie's character, perhaps, but that does not change the fact that the scoring method seemed absurd to me, as well as paranoid, because as I have already said, the development of the character, from a At first, she appears to be a bitch and a sex machine who hates romance, but gives you clues that that's not what she appears to be and that it's all a facade. Damn, but it turns out she was a virgin.
For me, the most logical thing would be that if you are given two paths, that of romance or lust, and the girl, whoever she is, ends up becoming your girlfriend, it is because precisely the options you chose were the correct ones. Hence discovering that following a path of respect and romance takes you to the same place, except with the difference that with the romantic path they reject your marriage proposal, because honestly it seems like a big mistake to me.

But hey, it's my opinion, you don't have to like it.
 
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dolfe67

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If the only difference in Katie's path is she accepts or not your proposal depending on your number of points, I can understand it feels bad. Might be better to have been rejected sooner imo
 
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lnppo

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Well, what a disappointment, because really the character of Katie that I had imagined has not turned out to be like that. I was convinced that romantic options were really the most appropriate because I was convinced that behind that tough skin hid a woman who wanted to be treated like a princess...

In fact, throughout the entire game everything has been going quite well because she keeps repeating that she loves my MC and behaves more and more romantically, leaving aside all that tough girl game of hers that seemed more like a shell.

What a disappointment that the designers made the character only for a path like that, and that for there to be a completely happy ending you have to have behaved like an idiot throughout the game.

Anyway, what can you do... everything could have been more emotional.
Imo, the stat stuff in this game is awful. A walkthrough should not be required to successfully pursue a single girl but since the stat system requires you to select almost every single "positive" option (many of which you just have to guess which will give you points and which won't) a blind playthrough will often end in nonsense because you're short a few points.

Which is why I just cheat in max stats with everyone and treat it as an escapist harem game instead of the Dark Souls of dating sims that it is. But to each their own.
 

el_balrog

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Imo, the stat stuff in this game is awful. A walkthrough should not be required to successfully pursue a single girl but since the stat system requires you to select almost every single "positive" option (many of which you just have to guess which will give you points and which won't) a blind playthrough will often end in nonsense because you're short a few points.

Which is why I just cheat in max stats with everyone and treat it as an escapist harem game instead of the Dark Souls of dating sims that it is. But to each their own.

Absolutely right, in the answers to get points, many of them can be a lottery or simply options that who knows why they are better than others... For example, I am reviewing the guide a little to see what the differences are. with what I chose, and I am amazed, that for example as soon as I see Katie for the first time, the only option for points is the kiss on the mouth in front of her mother... does anyone really start So? Also in the pool tanning scene, only the options in which they are going to touch his ass or his crotch can score you points. But are we crazy or what? hahahaha, Forgetting what one might think when seeing Katie and believing that she is such an easy person, would someone in real life go so directly to touch a girl's butt or her crotch because she asked him to put suntan cream on her? I'm going to follow the example of this game, and this summer when I'm going to put suntan lotion on one of my friends' backs, I'm going to put my hands on her tits and see what happens xddddddd.
Yes, it is clear that this is a game, but it seems that more than one person gets nervous if you criticize the fact that the scoring system is not realistic with what you are really pursuing in the game.
 

Simpgor

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A 2018 VN is really the "Dark souls of dating sims"?

I mean it isn't a "only ever two options with one being yes and one being no" game like some but still its not that complicated. There are only a handful of variables to worry about, and even that is thinking of all of them at once not one girl specifically. Imo most of those choices for each girl are pretty obvious (usual VN stuff of positive is good negative is bad usually) and it's not like choices in chapter 3 are referenced in 23 (beyond saying yes/no to relationships).... really makes me wonder how some people juggle real life relationships platonic or not :KEK:
 
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