VN Ren'Py Completed Descent [v1.0] [Ryder77]

[Karat]

Anyone know if there is an ending with the main character getting pregnant?

 

[Olivia_V]

Assuming you replied that way because you are one of the developers on the project or its just not that ironic. So why then if you worked 25 years like that why aren't you using that in the story. Or do you think all the audience is imbeciles and don't care?

Maybe he has enough sense to know that the genre of game he's creating requires certain nods to genre conventions. People enjoyed the heck out of "Grey's Anatomy" despite it being a laughingstock among actual doctors. Half the stuff done in "House of Cards" would sink a politician's career. You think actual crime scene technicians and forensics experts think "CSI" is realistic, with its magically speedy and backlog-free DNA testing?

At some point, you're gonna have to suspend your disbelief and realize who the audience for this is. Did you come to play an adult "corruption" game, or a law firm simulator? This game is even fairly reasonable by "corruption" game standards.

Because we live in a universe were cause and effect are related a lot of stuff goes hand in hand.
You can't simply ignore those types of facts and expect everyone not to notice.

Except most people don't actually notice. Entertainment has it's own requirements beyond factual accuracy. Historical films, science fiction, fantasy... even supposedly fact-driven genres like procedurals, they all skimp on the details in service of the story they're telling. Unless the inconsistencies break immersion, nobody will notice, or care half as much if they do. I'm a fan of historical films, and really hate the inaccuracies. But the movies I hate also tend to make money, so...

 

[grtrader]

Maybe he has enough sense to know that the genre of game he's creating requires certain nods to genre conventions. People enjoyed the heck out of "Grey's Anatomy" despite it being a laughingstock among actual doctors. Half the stuff done in "House of Cards" would sink a politician's career. You think actual crime scene technicians and forensics experts think "CSI" is realistic, with its magically speedy and backlog-free DNA testing?

At some point, you're gonna have to suspend your disbelief and realize who the audience for this is. Did you come to play an adult "corruption" game, or a law firm simulator? This game is even fairly reasonable by "corruption" game standards.

Except most people don't actually notice. Entertainment has it's own requirements beyond factual accuracy. Historical films, science fiction, fantasy... even supposedly fact-driven genres like procedurals, they all skimp on the details in service of the story they're telling. Unless the inconsistencies break immersion, nobody will notice, or care half as much if they do. I'm a fan of historical films, and really hate the inaccuracies. But the movies I hate also tend to make money, so...

TV shows are a bad example. The average IQ is 100. And most TV shows are written and targeted just below that mark. The reason being its the demographic most libel to also fall sucker for TV ads. In short TV shows are written to hit audiences that will get the most money.

If they weren't the writers they use would be more on the level of the book greats and not the junk we see on tv. TV isn't about quality its about money. My aunt was a program director for ABC.

 

[Olivia_V]

TV shows are a bad example. The average IQ is 100. And most TV shows are written and targeted just below that mark.

And... you think PORN GAMES should be a better example? Furthermore, you're expecting a higher standard from the "corruption" sub-genre of porn games, where outlandish blackmail and unimaginably stupid protagonists are de rigeur? If I held adult games to the standard you're using I'd never be able to play a single one! It's hard enough as it is to find a game that puts this level of care in its premise.

The point of your average adult game is to tickle the audience's fetishes (and get their money if you're on Patreon). This is a "corruption" game set in a law firm. By your standards, no game of this genre will ever be set in a law firm, simply because the conventions require avenues for sexual corruption of the vulnerable by ones with authority. (Good luck in the #MeToo era!) But this guy managed to do it in a way that both seemed plausible enough to non-specialists (which is, everybody who isn't you) while accommodating the conventions of the genre. That is quite an achievement.

If they weren't the writers they use would be more on the level of the book greats and not the junk we see on tv. TV isn't about quality its about money. My aunt was a program director for ABC.

What, you think the "book greats" are not above artistic embellishment? And again... you're expecting literary quality out of... adult games? This particular game is already a step above the average in story-telling and detail. If you're going to take this particular dump, there are far more egregious examples that could use the stink.

 

[grtrader]

And... you think PORN GAMES should be a better example? Furthermore, you're expecting a higher standard from the "corruption" sub-genre of porn games, where outlandish blackmail and unimaginably stupid protagonists are de rigeur? If I held adult games to the standard you're using I'd never be able to play a single one! It's hard enough as it is to find a game that puts this level of care in its premise.

What, you think the "book greats" are not above artistic embellishment? And again... you're expecting literary quality out of... adult games? This particular game is already a step above the average in story-telling and detail. If you're going to take this particular dump, there are far more egregious examples that could use the stink.

Well if they authors targeted optimal demographics they should be a hell of a lot better.
If the people looking at porn games purely wanted to look at pictures they could watch porn videos all day long and never run out of the to watch the rest of their lives.

They play because they want the choice, and the story.
We can make entire games with no dialog at all. But the fact is games with better dialog and story lines tend to do better. Just look at the ratings. So its kind of a false assumption that all porn game players want to do is get to the pictures. If that's the case just ask I have a shit load of URLs for you people your die before being able to see everything.

Frankly, there is a large audience that is poorly catered to female. The LGBT community is catered to here more than the strait female unless she happens to be into the same thing a guy is.

Think of it this way the guys who just want to click through will still be able to do that regardless if the story is written better it won't slow them down so it won't effect that audience group. But it will attract more people who like the actual story to be well written and consistent. In short there is no downside to it.

 

[baneini]

Well if they authors targeted optimal demographics they should be a hell of a lot better.

Frankly, there is a large audience that is poorly catered to female. The LGBT community is catered to here more than the strait female unless she happens to be into the same thing a guy is.

Theres games aimed at female audiences, this isn't.
Women want different types of games and assuming men want exact same thing is incorrect. If you changed the game to appeal more to women, then fewer men would like it. What you consider a primary concern is a peripheral concern to others.

 

[3lfscout]

Do you people REALLY think he cares about story?

Well, he doesn't.

I used to crash biblechats, I spot a biblenerd dissing the pr0n instantly.

He probably just saw an uncovered nipple and frantically made tons of warding signs.

 

[grtrader]

Theres games aimed at female audiences, this isn't.
Women want different types of games and assuming men want exact same thing is incorrect. If you changed the game to appeal more to women, then fewer men would like it. What you consider a primary concern is a peripheral concern to others.

You miss read it. Pretty much 100% backwards of what I said.

 

[3lfscout]

I can see how trader's laughing his anus off, but then so am I

He's so Textbook that it's a miracle the sun don't turn him to stone

 

[grtrader]

Do you people REALLY think he cares about story?

Well, he doesn't.

I used to crash biblechats, I spot a biblenerd dissing the pr0n instantly.

He probably just saw an uncovered nipple and frantically made tons of warding signs.

Actually I do.
And you should make assumptions about people you don't know. It's an ignorant move.
Just because you acted a certain way doesn't mean others do.
Your actions are like the thief who has a dozen bolt locks on his front door.
You project your own issues and behavior onto others.

 

[Olivia_V]

Well if they authors targeted optimal demographics they should be a hell of a lot better.
If the people looking at porn games purely wanted to look at pictures they could watch porn videos all day long and never run out of the to watch the rest of their lives.

And who is the "optimal demographic"? The adult games with the largest reaches (like Big Brother before it was abandoned) were storytelling trash whose audience grew and grew because the author tried to cram as many fetishes as possible into the game, even as the story disintegrated into the many corners the dev has painted himself into. None of them are winning Pulitzers. The point of an adult game is not to "look at pictures", it is to get to imagined erotic scenarios with a degree of personal agency (or the illusion thereof). Your game does that, it doesn't matter if they forgot standards of HR and a few legal statutes. I've already come to accept that I'm in the minority in the standard I am seeking. You should probably do so as well.

They play because they want the choice, and the story.
We can make entire games with no dialog at all. But the fact is games with better dialog and story lines tend to do better. Just look at the ratings. So its kind of a false assumption that all porn game players want to do is get to the pictures. If that's the case just ask I have a shit load of URLs for you people your die before being able to see everything.

To throw it back at you, what's stopping them from reading a book, or playing an indie darling videogame on Steam? They're here for the kinks. Games with better dialogue and storylines will only go so far if the adult and fetish content is wanting, hence the conventions. (One of my favorites, Seraphim Academy, is criminally underfunded...)

It's not about the "looking at pictures". It's about feeling like you (or your character) managed to get there through your own personal agency... and the "there" matters quite a lot in adult games, as does the agency. Getting anal about realistic details detracts from both.

Frankly, there is a large audience that is poorly catered to female. The LGBT community is catered to here more than the strait female unless she happens to be into the same thing a guy is.

You don't know shit, saying that...

A straight woman who has a problem with the lesbian content of this game has a hundred other female protagonist games she can go to with all the dick-riding she could ever want. Proper lesbian content (and by that, I mean lesbian content unattached to any dick contact along the way) is very few and very niche. The few games that actually specialize in lesbian content are bombarded by "why female protag" and "why lesbian only" complaints from angry fanboys. That this game has a lesbian-ish path that I could play without having to deal with dick along the way is a major plus for me and quite rare, thank you very much.

Gay male content is even more niche, but I doubt you'd be stumping for more of that.

Think of it this way the guys who just want to click through will still be able to do that regardless if the story is written better it won't slow them down so it won't effect that audience group. But it will attract more people who like the actual story to be well written and consistent. In short there is no downside to it.

You stick around here long enough, and you'll see the number of mistaken assumptions you've made in this segment. For a significant portion of this audience, there CAN be too much story in the way. Just as there are people who think the tag "story rich" makes a game something to avoid on Steam. The people browsing adult games for narrative-heavy erotica are a distinct, and quite small segment. (There are dozens of us! Dozens!)

 

[Rasmussen]

Well this thread suddenly derailed rather quickly. Seems like people are maybe taking this a bit too seriously when it is an erotic game (and I don't remember when any of these games had to meet an RL standard especially when a lot of the concepts don't even come close).

At any rate while the game itself is very minimalist I kind of enjoyed the layout as a whole. If this last release was the end of the content it was a slight let down because after chapter 7 (I think it was post club scene) I thought things were about to get interesting and it kind of had me hooked. After that chapter though it felt like everything was kind of toned down and dialed back towards the close.

I can say after playing this I'm interested in future projects though and I hope whatever comes next you don't hold back and just let your imagination run wild. I don't think the game content needs to be necessarily confined to any specific constraints or real world application. Also I have to give you props for the release schedule on this game because it felt like you were updating it more consistently comparative to most other devs on their projects (which may have been easier given the minimalist nature, but still appreciated).

Good luck Ryder on your future projects and make a patreon so you get some support for your efforts. If you churn out things on future work as you've done on this game I'm sure people would support you.

 

[grtrader]

And who is the "optimal demographic"? The adult games with the largest reaches (like Big Brother before it was abandoned) were storytelling trash whose audience grew and grew because the author tried to cram as many fetishes as possible into the game, even as the story disintegrated into the many corners the dev has painted himself into. None of them are winning Pulitzers. The point of an adult game is not to "look at pictures", it is to get to imagined erotic scenarios with a degree of personal agency (or the illusion thereof). Your game does that, it doesn't matter if they forgot standards of HR and a few legal statutes. I've already come to accept that I'm in the minority in the standard I am seeking. You should probably do so as well.



To throw it back at you, what's stopping them from reading a book, or playing an indie darling videogame on Steam? They're here for the kinks. Games with better dialogue and storylines will only go so far if the adult and fetish content is wanting, hence the conventions. (One of my favorites, Seraphim Academy, is criminally underfunded...)

It's not about the "looking at pictures". It's about feeling like you (or your character) managed to get there through your own personal agency... and the "there" matters quite a lot in adult games, as does the agency. Getting anal about realistic details detracts from both.



You don't know shit, saying that...

A straight woman who has a problem with the lesbian content of this game has a hundred other female protagonist games she can go to with all the dick-riding she could ever want. Proper lesbian content (and by that, I mean lesbian content unattached to any dick contact along the way) is very few and very niche. The few games that actually specialize in lesbian content are bombarded by "why female protag" and "why lesbian only" complaints from angry fanboys. That this game has a lesbian-ish path that I could play without having to deal with dick along the way is a major plus for me and quite rare, thank you very much.

Gay male content is even more niche, but I doubt you'd be stumping for more of that.



You stick around here long enough, and you'll see the number of mistaken assumptions you've made in this segment. For a significant portion of this audience, there CAN be too much story in the way. Just as there are people who think the tag "story rich" makes a game something to avoid on Steam. The people browsing adult games for narrative-heavy erotica are a distinct, and quite small segment. (There are dozens of us! Dozens!)

Literary art has plenty of well written short stories.For something to be well written it doesn't require including a large amount of material or trying to appease all audiences. In fact that's a general mistake the best works always target rather specific audience. That's something they used to teach in Literature and writing 101. First year college freshman shit.

That's your reason. Not everyone else's just like not everyone reads a novel for the same reason and what you choose to take away from it is also up to you.

The problem with trying to appease everyone is you will turn people off with content people don't want to see. That's why they have that spoiler section telling what is in the game so people can look at it and go yep this contains stuff I like or I don't like.

You do realize there are sites you can run poles on and some of us have our own servers and means to setup directories for people be directed to content without going through this site. Write now I have 3 servers sitting in the same room I am in, 2 in the adjacent room, another to in the room beside that and one in my sons room and I have two more that are getting ready to be installed. Sorry, this sites content isn't that attractive to the average female. Sorry to bust your bubble.

No I won't give out where I run poles. The fact is I run them around different places. But I don't give it out other than the groups I use. The reason is simple people like yourself will try and get a lot of friends to go there and skew the pole. I learned from that mistake. Even had to setup a password system for a while to prevent crap like that just keep it to the selected groups.

Frankly they can add whatever content the want its their site. It isn't by any means the only site that exists. There are plenty of sites that don't even show up on google that are no traditionally listed sites ones you need to have access to private DNS systems and so on.

Guys who click through 10 pages in a hurry not reading the content don't give a shit about the dialog which is what we are talking about. Improving the dialog and narration. They are going to skip through it just the same. Or do you think in that 100ms the dialog is visible they will read it and suddenly be turned off. The only people who are going to be affected by better dialog are those that care about it. That's just common sense.

 

[Olivia_V]

Literary art has plenty of well written short stories.For something to be well written it doesn't require including a large amount of material or trying to appease all audiences. In fact that's a general mistake the best works always target rather specific audience. That's something they used to teach in Literature and writing 101. First year college freshman shit.

Clearly, nobody's writing literary short stories here. Or reading them, for that matter, judging from the steady extinction of the literary magazine. Also, define "best"? Best-selling? Most awarded? You do know those are 2 different things, right? A massively selling work like Harry Potter sells on broad appeal, not niche targeting.

The problem with trying to appease everyone is you will turn people off with content people don't want to see. That's why they have that spoiler section telling what is in the game so people can look at it and go yep this contains stuff I like or I don't like.

Sure. But if your collection of content attracts more people than it repels, you've achieved your objective if you're looking for patrons. As much as I prefer lesbian-only games, I'm not delusional enough to think that such a game will have the same audience reach as a game wherein that is but one tag among many. I might not check such a game personally, but another who likes lesbian content but is willing to slog through the others will, along with whoever else gravitates to the other content.

You do realize there are sites you can run poles on and some of us have our own servers and means to setup directories for people be directed to content without going through this site. Write now I have 3 servers sitting in the same room I am in, 2 in the adjacent room, another to in the room beside that and one in my sons room and I have two more that are getting ready to be installed. Sorry, this sites content isn't that attractive to the average female. Sorry to bust your bubble.

"Your average female" obviously isn't the target audience of F95, as if it wasn't clear enough. Us girls who come here know what we're coming for. A straight girl who comes here wanting straight content won't be lacking for options. And yes, we're not the "average female", whatever that is.

Guys who click through 10 pages in a hurry not reading the content don't give a shit about the dialog which is what we are talking about. Improving the dialog and narration. They are going to skip through it just the same. Or do you think in that 100ms the dialog is visible they will read it and suddenly be turned off. The only people who are going to be affected by better dialog are those that care about it. That's just common sense.

In a perfect world, sure. In a world where the people who will breeze through the non-essential dialogue to path themselves quickly onto the erotic scenarios far outnumber those who will take the time to read dialogue as to make it not worth the expense to devs who aren't good at creating it (they'll have to hire writers and translators), it's not "common sense". They'll stick to their strengths and what gets them patrons. Best you can do is support those that can deliver better dialogue (and plotting, and pacing, and mood-setting, etc...)

This discussion is truly derailing, as the only issues you've pointed out to the dev of this game are issues that are really silly in light of the fact that you're complaining about it in a short adult corruption game. Either you take this issue up with the broader audience of the genre whose conventions you find insulting (there's other sections here for that), or you just make peace with it and try to find games that meet your exacting standards.

 

[doidera]

Is there any way to play this game on a 100% lesbian route?
Because if I say no to any kind of advancement or harassment of men in the game, I can not earn "work points".

Can not work without depending on having sex with guys, without cheating or accepting blackmail and harassment, and winning the game?

Can not I just get involved with Eve and still get to the end of the game?

 

[Olivia_V]

Is there any way to play this game on a 100% lesbian route?

Yes there is. Just say no to all the guys, though there's this one encounter that is a mix of saying no to him but saying what he wants to hear (go back a few pages, some of the other users figured it out and I just followed them), and try to do extra work where you can. You can stick with just Eve if you like.

 

[doidera]

Yes there is. Just say no to all the guys, though there's this one encounter that is a mix of saying no to him but saying what he wants to hear (go back a few pages, some of the other users figured it out and I just followed them), and try to do extra work where you can. You can stick with just Eve if you like.

Even the Dev said that there is no way to avoid 100% sex with men.

Also, the part you mentioned about "say what the guy wants to hear", if you avoid 100% guys you do not even get into it.

For example, right at the beginning, if you say no to the crazy IT, you get fired on the spot. That is, you already have to at least get on the guy's dick if you want to advance in the game, even if you later send him to hell.

So, Dev, it would be cool a 100% lesbian route here

 

[Olivia_V]

For example, right at the beginning, if you say no to the crazy IT, you get fired on the spot. That is, you already have to at least get on the guy's dick if you want to advance in the game, even if you later send him to hell.

Pick the middle option. She'll grab his penis to threaten him, then nothing happens.

Also, check this post out... https://f95zone.to/threads/descent-v0-9-ryder77.27620/post-1817166

The dev comments after.

 

[baneini]

Even the Dev said that there is no way to avoid 100% sex with men.

Well you know, 100% of your ancestors either possessed a penis or had a penis enter them so it's reflective of real life.
Can't beat the cock.

 

[Ryder77]

Well i made my appreciation of the game clear before, and now that it's resolved, i enjoyed it a lot.

Glad you liked it.

I managed to find 4 different endings so far and i think there are at least two more. So that's pretty damn great.

By my count, there are about nine different endings, each with several different variants.

Only the Eve arc feels too forced to me. Even if you block her advances at every opportunity she still drags you into the attic during the Party, would love to have an angle to tell her to fuck off already.
And i could swear i found an opportunity to do that in an earlier build but i can't find it again.

No, sorry. One of the changes I made after I started posting was to give the players an opportunity to avoid some of Eve, but telling her to fuck off was never part of the game.

Great game, and the fact that this wasn't another Patreon scheme that dragged on for a Year already earns a lot of bonus points for me.
I sure hope this wont be the last game from you Ryder.

No Patreon scheme and no Patreon page.