VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.200] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Bane71 You are misusing the terms "subjective" and "objective", probably a language barrier thing.

Here's an example of a subjective opinion:

"Dylan sucks because he's not brave enough to ask Sophia for what he wants." This is an opinion that cannot be measured in any way. It's neither right or wrong, it's subjective.

Here's an example of an objective opinion:

"L&P is badly managing this game because he is failing to meet his stated goals despite having the technology required."

It isn't about complaining about "redundant renders" or "walking back and forth", those are symptoms of a the bigger problem. We don't need to know the details of L&P's creative process, all we need to know is what he has told us about his plans. Based upon what he has told us, we can objectively measure how close he is to achieving his goals. Objectively, based upon the goal of improving development time by decreasing the releases to 1/3 of a day, L&P is failing. Objectively, based on what he told us before development began, L&P has failed to follow his own plan for this update.

A subjective opinion would be that L&P is milking his patrons. An objective opinion is that he's failing to meet his stated goals. The reasons for that failure do not matter, it is objectively true that he's failing to meet them. Maybe you think the reasons for that failure excuse it, that is a subjective opinion. But we should all agree that despite the move to 1/3 day updates and improved hardware, we have not received the planned for improvement to development times. That's the objective fact.

I thought the whole point of going from 1/2 to 1/3 days wasn't so much to improve development time, but release time, since people were getting impatient with the long development times.

Even upgrading his graphics cards wasn't to improve development time, but to enable updates in 1080p, in accordance with his financing goals.

But I'll need clarification on that. Can't seem to find it in my bookmarks.

 

[Bane71]

Bane71 You are misusing the terms "subjective" and "objective", probably a language barrier thing.

Here's an example of a subjective opinion:

"Dylan sucks because he's not brave enough to ask Sophia for what he wants." This is an opinion that cannot be measured in any way. It's neither right or wrong, it's subjective.

Here's an example of an objective opinion:

"L&P is badly managing this game because he is failing to meet his stated goals despite having the technology required."

It isn't about complaining about "redundant renders" or "walking back and forth", those are symptoms of a the bigger problem. We don't need to know the details of L&P's creative process, all we need to know is what he has told us about his plans. Based upon what he has told us, we can objectively measure how close he is to achieving his goals. Objectively, based upon the goal of improving development time by decreasing the releases to 1/3 of a day, L&P is failing. Objectively, based on what he told us before development began, L&P has failed to follow his own plan for this update.

A subjective opinion would be that L&P is milking his patrons. An objective opinion is that he's failing to meet his stated goals. The reasons for that failure do not matter, it is objectively true that he's failing to meet them. Maybe you think the reasons for that failure excuse it, that is a subjective opinion. But we should all agree that despite the move to 1/3 day updates and improved hardware, we have not received the planned for improvement to development times. That's the objective fact.

Believe me, I understand you perfectly, but nevertheless I cannot agree with you.

I think everyone should understand that writing a novel and, on its basis, creating a computer game combines two important processes, namely the creative process and technical elements.
It is absolutely and completely natural that these processes are interdependent and can influence changes in the original design and plan.
When I say this, I am not trying to justify L&P, it is not at all that it is being criticized! The fact is that many people have a very narrow view of the tasks facing the creator of AWAM!

But again, I do not impose my point of view on anyone, I only express it.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I thought the whole point of going from 1/2 to 1/3 days wasn't so much to improve development time, but release time, since people were getting impatient with the long development times.

Even upgrading his graphics cards wasn't to improve development time, but to enable updates in 1080p, in accordance with his financing goals.

But I'll need clarification on that. Can't seem to find it in my bookmarks.

I'm using development time and release time interchangeably since one influences the other.

As for the graphics cards, I was certain it was suppose to make rendering faster. But if it wasn't, the objective fact hasn't changed that RELEASE TIME hasn't improved.

 

[Bane71]

I thought the whole point of going from 1/2 to 1/3 days wasn't so much to improve development time, but release time, since people were getting impatient with the long development times.

Even upgrading his graphics cards wasn't to improve development time, but to enable updates in 1080p, in accordance with his financing goals.

But I'll need clarification on that. Can't seem to find it in my bookmarks.

You are absolutely right!
And I suggest that L&P go even further and issue updates when 500 - 700 renders are ready, regardless of the plot. And of course this will not speed up creation, but will only shorten the time between updates.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

You are absolutely right!
And I suggest that L&P go even further and issue updates when 500 - 700 renders are ready, regardless of the plot. And of course this will not speed up creation, but will only shorten the time between updates.

It's an idea worth exploring. But whatever the number of renders, the most important thing will be that L&P sticks to some sort of plan. He gets into trouble when the scope of the update changes.

 

[Alley_Cat]

You are absolutely right!
And I suggest that L&P go even further and issue updates when 500 - 700 renders are ready, regardless of the plot. And of course this will not speed up creation, but will only shorten the time between updates.

Fairly sure he stated somewhere he floated that option too, that he could release updates after "big" events. But what constitutes a "big" event seems to be completely arbitrary, much like what gingersweetgirl is saying. The events of this update were meant to be small, but L&P has evidently changed his mind.

That said, this is still information that I've picked up along the way, and don't have immediate quotes for, so can be taken with as many grains as salt as one wants. But if a patron has a quote one way or another, I'd be much obliged.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Fairly sure he stated somewhere he floated that option too, that he could release updates after "big" events. But what constitutes a "big" event seems to be completely arbitrary, much like what gingersweetgirl is saying. The events of this update were meant to be small, but L&P has evidently changed his mind.

That said, this is still information that I've picked up along the way, and don't have immediate quotes for, so can be taken with as many grains as salt as one wants. But if a patron has a quote one way or another, I'd be much obliged.

It was an idea that was floated, but I think it was unofficially rejected in favor of the 1/3 day releases.

 

[Bane71]

Fairly sure he stated somewhere he floated that option too, that he could release updates after "big" events. But what constitutes a "big" event seems to be completely arbitrary, much like what gingersweetgirl is saying. The events of this update were meant to be small, but L&P has evidently changed his mind.

That said, this is still information that I've picked up along the way, and don't have immediate quotes for, so can be taken with as many grains as salt as one wants. But if a patron has a quote one way or another, I'd be much obliged.

L&P is worried that the small update will not include all arcs of the game and there will be those who will not receive the continuation of their favorite storyline in the update.

I suppose that this is not so problematic, because due to the long wait, most of us go through all possible arcs, even those that we don't like.
In my opinion, the update may well contain even one event, if it is large enough and contains from 500 to 700 renders. Also, it can be updates with 2 or 3 events of the game day, the main reference point, in my opinion, should be the number of renders.

This is the only way to ensure that updates come out more often today.
This will surely remove the annoyance of users and the pressure on L&P, and will allow him to calmly look for ways to fill the updates with content, whether it is the help of some specialists or something else.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The worry I have though is that such a structure will give L&P more license to overly elongate scenes. The guy clearly has a hard time reeling himself in, so he would need to be disciplined. Otherwise I can see him committing 400 renders to something like the nursing home event WITHOUT a corresponding increase in the amount of story progression. Again, I think the idea is worth exploring, but whether it's this idea, or 1/3 day updates, it's all dependent on L&P being disciplined and sticking to a plan.

 

[Bane71]

The worry I have though is that such a structure will give L&P more license to overly elongate scenes. The guy clearly has a hard time reeling himself in, so he would need to be disciplined. Otherwise I can see him committing 400 renders to something like the nursing home event WITHOUT a corresponding increase in the amount of story progression. Again, I think the idea is worth exploring, but whether it's this idea, or 1/3 day updates, it's all dependent on L&P being disciplined and sticking to a plan.

))) yes, such a danger exists hypothetically! But that's only if we assume that the L&P is completely inadequate.

 

[Cold brew]

Ran out of likes today... But so many good points put out there by everyone so far today.

It is known, there is a malicious darkness behind the scenes. We all know it. We know who is at fault. We know who put the sleepy hypnotic music on L&P's playlist. We know who installed the subliminal messaging virus on his rig. We know who whispers his cockblocking lies into the sleeping ears of L&P. All these things, it is known.
Everything else is the consequence.

 

[Mitja]

Any idea when the next update will arrive?

 

[Cold brew]

Any idea when the next update will arrive?

It's Dylan's fault.

 

[m4pII]

Playable day 15: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-115-lust-passion.5944/page-372#post-3931853
Which we now know if you have full points with Patricia and are doing Aiden's tasks, she will invite Sophia to Zoe's horse-riding ranch.

Sorry, did I understand correctly that in order to see an event with a character that I really like, I will need to go through a side storyline with a character that I absolutely can't stand?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Sorry, did I understand correctly that in order to see an event with a character that I really like, I will need to go through a side storyline with a character that I absolutely can't stand?

I have heard that if you're not doing Aiden's tasks, Patricia will call on Saturday to arrange the Sunday event, but I don't have the evidence to back it up. But yeah, I made the same protests right after the update when I found out about it.

Worst case scenario, even if it isn't the case, I will likely create a mod to enable the horse-riding event on the lesbian route. Because like other things, requiring Sophia to accept Aiden's tasks for things on the lesbian route to me is just dumb. If you're interested, PM me and I'll loop you into the PM thread.

 

[DarkMask]

L&P has to vastly improve his workflow process, otherwise this game is going to get abandoned.

If we're only getting half a day per update with his current rate of 2 updates a year, its going to take him 20+ years to get to playable day 30. If I understand correctly, he sets the scene up, waits for it to render than makes whatever changes and renders again? Wouldn't it be a lot quicker to hire someone to simply render his scenes so he can start working on the next ones? Of if he's concerned about leaks and what not are there cloud rendering services?

 

[Deleted member 2896487]

It's an idea worth exploring. But whatever the number of renders, the most important thing will be that L&P sticks to some sort of plan. He gets into trouble when the scope of the update changes.

I'm not sure about that. It might look like we can get the updates quicker but in reality it will delay the overall progress of the game which can only be seen in the long run.

Also, I see a lot of supporters who have started to oppose L&P's approach towards the game which, tbh, I completely understand. We saw a very similar delay during the Fashion show event but this time the supporters cannot take it anymore.
But when I think about it I feel like "What's wrong with almost 800 renders per update for a 4 month wait? Moreover this is how L&P has worked from the start and honestly the number of renders are always higher than a well known female MC game which can be considered as a"rival" to this game"

The problem I think is L&P's failure to keep up to his promise. I don't think L&P is deliberately delaying this update or lying to us but I also cannot defend L&P anymore against the persons who criticize because most of them were/are supporters of this game and I believe those criticisms are actually concerns about the future of this game. Since I'm one among those who worry about the future of game, I politely request everybody to endure this wait period and let L&P sort out this issue after the upcoming update.

 

[Cold brew]

Sorry, did I understand correctly that in order to see an event with a character that I really like, I will need to go through a side storyline with a character that I absolutely can't stand?

I have heard that if you're not doing Aiden's tasks, Patricia will call on Saturday to arrange the Sunday event, but I don't have the evidence to back it up. But yeah, I made the same protests right after the update when I found out about it.

Worst case scenario, even if it isn't the case, I will likely create a mod to enable the horse-riding event on the lesbian route. Because like other things, requiring Sophia to accept Aiden's tasks for things on the lesbian route to me is just dumb. If you're interested, PM me and I'll loop you into the PM thread.

I would prefer to hope if the Sophia/Patricia horse riding event is tied to Aiden, then it would involve riding crops and a rope.
We know that Patricia is a woman of action. She picked up her sister previously to take care of the Subway rapists. Maybe this is the same.

 

[nexer]

Either way, the fact that he wants to tell a story the way he likes doesn't explain the amount of renders.
L&P reached 65% on March 20. Aiden event is supposed to have 20%, up from 65% to 85%.
IMO, he started Aiden event on March 20, if he created 10 renders/day we would get 11+18=29x10=290 renders.
So, the average is very low, no point in creating and deleting scenes because it's just a waste of time. Better to take a day off, write the text, sketch the scenes and then DAZ.

 

[m4pII]

If you're interested, PM me and I'll loop you into the PM thread.

I am very interested) Thank you.

I would prefer to hope if the Sophia/Patricia horse riding event is tied to Aiden, then it would involve riding crops and a rope.
We know that Patricia is a woman of action. She picked up her sister previously to take care of the Subway rapists. Maybe this is the same.

Yes, it makes sense, but I agree with Alley_Cat that Sophia's very consent to blackmail, on the lesbian route, is simply stupid.