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MrFriendly

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I think Patreon just doesn't want to deal with the self-appointed morality police. I assume they would leave you alone if no one complains. Makes it hard on the Devs, I would think. You never know what the morality police are gonna crusade against next.
I don't think Patreon really cares about people playing incest games. They allowed them and made a lot of money off them for years. But businesses like Paypal, and some of the credit card companies raised a big enough stink that Patreon decided they had to do something or lose those businesses for all their content, which is far greater than incest or even porn games in total.
Yeah, for awhile there Patreon even stated something to the effect that fictional depictions of incest ala Game of Thrones was acceptable but since Paypal, Mastercard, and Visa control the purse strings now Patreon has to toe the line. Or at least that is how I understand it.
 
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Crimsonfiend76

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IMHO I believe the games that have the players themselves define the relation to the characters work best since they avoid the Patreon witch hunt, while also not needing to download and apply a patch that may conflict with a potential WT mod.

That said, it's why I personally transferred all my Patreon subs to Subscribe Star (if applicable) to avoid these issues while getting the original uncensored version of the game without the hassle of trying to look for and play the version of the game the original dev intended.
 
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Walter Victor

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Yeah, for awhile there Patreon even stated something to the effect that fictional depictions of incest ala Game of Thrones was acceptable but since Paypal, Mastercard, and Visa control the purse strings now Patreon has to toe the line. Or at least that is how I understand it.
Fortunately, Discover Card still allows payments to Patreon for anything.

I got caught up in the mess when this all first started. All of a sudden my payments to Patreon weren't going through, and I was losing access to the developers and their games. I had been paying Patreon from Paypal, and then paying Paypal from my Discover account. It was a bear trying to find out what had happened, especially with the slow responses from Patreon (a week could go by before they answered), and the evasive responses from Paypal, who were pointing in both directions. Finally, some kindly individual at Discover explained to me exactly what was going on. I immediately cancelled my Paypal account [I'll never use them again for anything], and paid directly from Discover. I haven't had a problem since... as long as no one else looks at my Discover bill and wonders why I'm spending all this money on this Patreon thing! :eek: :D
 

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So if there was some dastardly despicable, just heinous human being that DARED to change the beautiful word known as "landlady" into something very very bad in this game, this villainous act would make their blood the same, yes?

P.S. That's gotta be the biggest overview in the history of overviews. That "childhood friend" sure has a problem
 
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Great game i hope we can see more content in the near future keep it up CellStudios
 
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CellStudios

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So if there was some dastardly despicable, just heinous human being that DARED to change the beautiful word known as "landlady" into something very very bad in this game, this villainous act would make their blood the same, yes?

P.S. That's gotta be the biggest overview in the history of overviews. That "childhood friend" sure has a problem
Ermmm....yes :unsure:

And yeah, overview was a doosey :p just sent off a revised version to the thread owner :)

Great game i hope we can see more content in the near future keep it up CellStudios
Cheers, more stuff coming soon :D
 

satirious

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The slap is the least of Grace's sins. He'll stop feeling that in minutes.
Being a drunken cunt... For that I want to strap her to a chair until she dries out and tell her to go get a shrink. Then we can start fixing what you have broken.

No reason or rationalization wipes the slate from her driving drunk. Putting her kids in the car and refusing to let him drive demonstrates her lack of fucks to give about anyone or anything. When your "issues" put peoples lives at risk, sympathy is no longer on the table. Her proper place at that point is strapped to the front bumper while you tour gravel roads for a few hours.

Cell, I hope you take it as a compliment the Grace is so hated. It shows you made the bitch believable. It will also come with the hope that behavior finally has consequences in a VN beyond porn logic. At the very least, I hope there is a branch that allows you to hear her out and then tell her to GTFO until she fixes her shit. Maybe a way to turn down the aunt is allowing the MC to tell her to get bent for enabling Grace's behavior.

I appreciate that you don't want the MC to be a dbag. Having him be the shield wall between Lisa and the other two, and whatever goes bump in the night, might be a good path for progression in that relationship.

Beyond all of that, the art is fuckin amazing. As long as we can avoid the "Do you want her? Are you sure? Are you positive? Are you SURE you're positive?" I think this is going to be a unique and fun ride.
 

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The slap is the least of Grace's sins. He'll stop feeling that in minutes.
Being a drunken cunt... For that I want to strap her to a chair until she dries out and tell her to go get a shrink. Then we can start fixing what you have broken.

No reason or rationalization wipes the slate from her driving drunk. Putting her kids in the car and refusing to let him drive demonstrates her lack of fucks to give about anyone or anything. When your "issues" put peoples lives at risk, sympathy is no longer on the table. Her proper place at that point is strapped to the front bumper while you tour gravel roads for a few hours.

Cell, I hope you take it as a compliment the Grace is so hated. It shows you made the bitch believable. It will also come with the hope that behavior finally has consequences in a VN beyond porn logic. At the very least, I hope there is a branch that allows you to hear her out and then tell her to GTFO until she fixes her shit. Maybe a way to turn down the aunt is allowing the MC to tell her to get bent for enabling Grace's behavior.

I appreciate that you don't want the MC to be a dbag. Having him be the shield wall between Lisa and the other two, and whatever goes bump in the night, might be a good path for progression in that relationship.

Beyond all of that, the art is fuckin amazing. As long as we can avoid the "Do you want her? Are you sure? Are you positive? Are you SURE you're positive?" I think this is going to be a unique and fun ride.
The thing is Grace was never supposed to be seen as a monster, most of the things in the game I'm drawing from real life experiences and I guess I never really thought how others would see it.

A lot of her issues and such have been lost with splitting the game up & it's possoble I fucked up just how hardcore Grace is with her drinking.
 

satirious

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The thing is Grace was never supposed to be seen as a monster, most of the things in the game I'm drawing from real life experiences and I guess I never really thought how others would see it.

A lot of her issues and such have been lost with splitting the game up & it's possoble I fucked up just how hardcore Grace is with her drinking.
It's a really difficult needle to thread when trying to establish your foundation so quickly. You were eager , for your own reasons, to show off your new baby and I can understand that.

You didn't allow yourself a lot of time to lay your foundation and it's the single most important step if what you intend to build is going to have weight to it. You have talent and the story has promise. Otherwise, I wouldn't be wasting your time or mine conversing on the subject. If what you are reading helps you perfect what you are creating, then we all benefit. Not everything you see posted and said is going to be "right answers" but, if any of it helps you find the flaws or inspires greater things, it's worth the effort. At least you are willing to look and think. Other devs double down out of insecurity or ego.

Bad parents, substance abusers and garbage humans are all characters most people have experienced in the real world. My parents were never drinkers but, too many people I have cared about did have "this Grace" as a parent. A few of those I had to step in and give them a new home because they simply accepted living with that hell as expected and normal. A new normal is what they deserved. I'm no white night. As a redhead, it's genetically not allowed (we were color coded for a reason) but, I wasn't going to just ignore something I could do something about.

I know, what's out is out, but maybe give some thought to adding more shades to Grace in the early parts as you continue. It will also give people another reason to play the intro again if it is revised in the future.
 
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clowns234

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The thing is Grace was never supposed to be seen as a monster, most of the things in the game I'm drawing from real life experiences and I guess I never really thought how others would see it.

A lot of her issues and such have been lost with splitting the game up & it's possoble I fucked up just how hardcore Grace is with her drinking.
I don't see Grace as a monster. Good people can sometimes do bad things. She drinks to cover up some sort of pain, which I assume will be revealed in time.
 
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satirious

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I don't see Grace as a monster. Good people can sometimes do bad things. She drinks to cover up some sort of pain, which I assume will be revealed in time.
Most people have endured pain to one measure or another. We all have our way of dealing with that. When your mechanism for dealing with things brings more pain on others, it's no longer just your problem. Those who enable or make excuses for it only make it worse for everyone involved. You become an assistant to the hell they create for others. Having compassion and understanding does not and should not stop you at least trying to contain the chaos they drag along with them. You aren't doing them any favors.

The idea that you should play nice because you might want to stick your dick in it later is a plot device that has been beaten to death.

Cell has already said that Grace is more than is shown. It is certainly difficult to paint all of those colors on the small canvas he used here. I think and hope he has the skill to address that in the future.
 

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Most people have endured pain to one measure or another. We all have our way of dealing with that. When your mechanism for dealing with things brings more pain on others, it's no longer just your problem. Those who enable or make excuses for it only make it worse for everyone involved. You become an assistant to the hell they create for others. Having compassion and understanding does not and should not stop you at least trying to contain the chaos they drag along with them. You aren't doing them any favors.

The idea that you should play nice because you might want to stick your dick in it later is a plot device that has been beaten to death.

Cell has already said that Grace is more than is shown. It is certainly difficult to paint all of those colors on the small canvas he used here. I think and hope he has the skill to address that in the future.
Real people have flaws and rarely is there an easy fix. As for her drinking, it is shown to be a recent problem and we see the family having to adjust to try to deal with it. Seems realistic to me, especially considering this is an adult porn game.
Wanting to find out more about what brought them to this point keeps people like me playing.
 
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CellStudios

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It's a really difficult needle to thread when trying to establish your foundation so quickly. You were eager , for your own reasons, to show off your new baby and I can understand that.

You didn't allow yourself a lot of time to lay your foundation and it's the single most important step if what you intend to build is going to have weight to it. You have talent and the story has promise. Otherwise, I wouldn't be wasting your time or mine conversing on the subject. If what you are reading helps you perfect what you are creating, then we all benefit. Not everything you see posted and said is going to be "right answers" but, if any of it helps you find the flaws or inspires greater things, it's worth the effort. At least you are willing to look and think. Other devs double down out of insecurity or ego.

Bad parents, substance abusers and garbage humans are all characters most people have experienced in the real world. My parents were never drinkers but, too many people I have cared about did have "this Grace" as a parent. A few of those I had to step in and give them a new home because they simply accepted living with that hell as expected and normal. A new normal is what they deserved. I'm no white night. As a redhead, it's genetically not allowed (we were color coded for a reason) but, I wasn't going to just ignore something I could do something about.

I know, what's out is out, but maybe give some thought to adding more shades to Grace in the early parts as you continue. It will also give people another reason to play the intro again if it is revised in the future.
I think what caused most of the issues were cutting the game up, I did have episode 1 fully rendered but ended up changing to gen 8 characters. Any feedback is welcome though, appreciate you taking the time :)

I don't see Grace as a monster. Good people can sometimes do bad things. She drinks to cover up some sort of pain, which I assume will be revealed in time.
Exactly, glad some people see her the way she was intended :p and all will be revealed :)
 

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I think what caused most of the issues were cutting the game up, I did have episode 1 fully rendered but ended up changing to gen 8 characters. Any feedback is welcome though, appreciate you taking the time :)
And I'm really looking forward to what you intend to do with it.

For the record, if I am, at any point, wrong and misreading a situation, feel free to call bullshit. Feedback doesn't accomplish anything if it is one directional. It's the only way any of us find understanding.
 

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And I'm really looking forward to what you intend to do with it.

For the record, if I am, at any point, wrong and misreading a situation, feel free to call bullshit. Feedback doesn't accomplish anything if it is one directional. It's the only way any of us find understanding.
BULLSHITTER!

Sorry, just getting some practice in :p but yeah, I agree, if peoples feedback is just "the game is shit!" without giving reason then that's not very helpful, I appriciate those that point out the flaws in details :)
 
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