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This update delves deeply into MC and why MC is the way he is, and that's his past experiences. While in the Military, MC was cheated on by two girlfriends while he was overseas, to where he hasn't been with another woman for over 2 years
I didn't see anything like that, is that an extra scene on the Lucy route?

DISCLAIMER: this is all my opinion. Please disagree all you want. But given I was asked, I am explaining why I think it is a bad idea.

Ok, let me paraphrase that so that you can see what I meant more clearly.

Your argument is valid if there is not limitation on resources. If, for example, DB could create any possible scenario, then sure, let include one simply for the reason of people that enjoy it taking. In fact I would also enjoy an scenario in which MC deviates from the sacred Timeline and he is captured from the Time Variant Authority. If there is an Alligator Loki, I want a Koala Emma*, given the way she hugs MC in one of the images.

The idea of a harem is very hard to pull consistently, without violating character's internal behavior. Here what you are saying is essentially that Charlotte, a woman that has suffered from the abused of multiple man, would be willing to share the same man with her two children and her sister in a romantic way. That Sucy, that has showed pure hatred towards MC (this could change though) would be willing to have her sister, the one she protects above all, date a guy that has to split himself between 4 other persons. Emma, that for all I love her is essentially a self centered child that goes to the point of justifying sex of her love interest as a manipulation made by a woman to rationalize not being number one in her lover's eyes would be ok to share MC among any other. And Lucy, that has always felt jealousy against her sister would forever feel she is simply being number two.

Of course, you could try and do something in which all this different personalities would learn to love and like such an scenario and all live happily ever after. But that is not consistent behavior.

Truth is, Charlotte will always find it weird that a mid thirties (my guess) guy is doing her extremely innocent daughter, imagine if he is also fucking her. Lucy will most likely never be able to stop feeling like an additional wheel if she was in a relationship with MC and her sister, given her inferiority complex. Suzy's personality would have to go from pure rage to a puppy that accepts everything and Emma would need a lot of maturing to understand that she would not be the center of attention but simply one from a group.

But realistically, it is an almost impossible scenario to pull in a way that would fit the rest of the story. This is not a comedy, not a parody, not a fuck fest in which MC's cock is god given. This novel is (obviously my opinion but I would guess is a fairly educated guess) is trying to go for a more serious dramatic approach.

It is also the kind of thing in which most choices are almost irrelevant, as they are not real choices. For a choice to be real you have to give up when you make a choice. If you can have everything, then why make the choice to have less than everything? Choices like that are not real options but simply a right answer and a wrong answer. If you want, a choice is only as good as what you leave behind. So having a harem, in which you are choosing all girls, also means you are choosing no one. It is really the most pointless decision in the game.

So given that DB still have to advance a lot the plot and that you have, on the very least 4 routes to make, I can only see a harem route as a waste of time and effort for something that would not fit the rest of the story. It is simply pure fan service made to inflate the reader's ego about how phenomenal they are that all love interest are willing to share him. They are fun to have? yes, but they are really a joke route most of the time in any more serious novel.

There is a lot of novels that are made simply to go and try to make a harem. But I personally don't see how a harem setting will work here.

DISCLAIMER 2: I do enjoy harem in games in which it make sense, if you have not played it play Once in a Lifetime. It is complete and it is fucking awesome! And the harem setting makes a lot of sense given the overall mood of the novel.

Edit: highlighted the most important part of this wall of text.

*Bunny, kitten or puppy also works
I see where you are coming from that it would be inconsistent with their characters but let me repeat something I said months ago.
Whatever decision the Player makes for the MC will also cause problems with Charlotte and Lucy.
Charlotte has already shown signs of jealousy when Kaylah gets too close to the MC and don't even think about what happens if he dates one of her daughters she will go completely crazy.
I also see a problem with Lucy, she already has a massive inferiority complex with Charlotte so she also won't take it easy if she loses the MC to her sister, especially because she was interested in the MC from the beginning and Charlotte didn't even want to be in the same house as the MC.

The way I see it is that Emma needs the MC as a father figure and both Charlotte and Lucy need him as a partner so the best solution is the MC dating both Charlotte and Lucy so no one goes crazy.




What was this update? Why pile even more drama on top of what was already there? How about solving some of the problems? I start to think the Dev has no idea how to wrap up any of the storylines.
Honestly, Emma's stalker storyline should have been solved in the update after the Actor came back same with the bully storyline so that we can finally start with the big problems, Suzy's blackmailer, getting rid of the actor, and fix Charlotte's mental health.
 
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I agree that harem doesn't really fit the game, but I disagree with this reasoning. When you're talking about harem being not consistent behavior, you're only basing it on the current state of the game. You're making assumption that the characters will behave the same way from start to the end. This is a bad reason because a good character development would see the characters grow (and therefore, change) as the game progresses. If the dev wants the game to have a harem ending, it isn't difficult to develop the characters toward that route.
I literally wrote this:

"Of course, you could try and do something in which all this different personalities would learn to love and like such an scenario and all live happily ever after. But that is not consistent behavior."

So no, I took into account that character grow. What I meant was that it is very hard to do in a realistic way that the characters would accept the setting. Yes, Charlotte could get cured from her problems, Suzy could be molded to be a nice puppy, Lucy's inferiority complex could cured, and Emma could grow up and learn to be less self centered.

But even then it would be a high jump to accept to be part of a harem while keeping the essence of the game

You are talking about writing the game towards that directly, which further points to the other overall main reason in which I argue everything: writing each route takes resources!

In other words, I don't see how DB could write the individual 4 routes, while keeping the essence of this game, while including a harem route that is consistent with character development.

Long story short: Either I misunderstood your comment, or the reason you are claiming my argument is false was already included in my argument, as part of a more involved cost benefit approach to development, while keeping some sufficient high level of "quality". Sorry if I was not clear.
 

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Whatever decision the Player makes for the MC will also cause problems with Charlotte and Lucy.
That is fine. MC making decisions and creating conflict between the characters is always good for a story.

As in my signature, "Conflict is the essence of drama".

The way I see it is that Emma needs the MC as a father figure and both Charlotte and Lucy need him as a partner so the best solution is the MC dating both Charlotte and Lucy so no one goes crazy.
Emma needs a father figure and a friend, which could be Kaylah. Also needs a mother that let her grow up. And probably some counselling.

Charlotte and Lucy DON'T need the MC. Believing MC will fix their problems with the power of love is really absurd. They need therapy. Years of therapy! The former way more than the second one.
 
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No, we know Hana and Suzi won't be Charlotte or Emma of course
Hannah & Suzi I can see together with the MC I guess....?
Kaylah/Lucy since they're both flirty with the MC and seem to be more "open" to things based on their personality...?
I don't want to think about Kaylah/Charlotte with the MC, that'll make me sick.

But you know what? It doesn't matter to me. I rejected all of them, so step off girls. My MC a one-woman guy.
 
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This is my favorite moment and scene

It has 3 things I love: someone Emma loves putting her above everything, Suzy being angry (and hot!) and people that make Emma sad getting punished!

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... and it is at that moment that MC realized that there is only one safe romantic option... Kaylah :KEK:

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Hannah & Suzi I can see together with the MC I guess....?
Kaylah/Lucy since they're both flirty with the MC and seem to be more "open" to things based on their personality...?
I don't want to think about Kaylah/Charlotte with the MC, that'll make me sick.

But you know what? It doesn't matter to me. I rejected all of them, so step off girls. My MC a one-woman guy.
And my Mac will also be loyal to only one woman, Charlotte, and I also rejected Lucy twice and rejected Kaylah bullshit, I guess there will be no rejection in the future for Emma If we go Charlotte path I think Emma and suzi will come last When MC rejects all women I'm going Charlotte path I don't wish there was a rejection scene for Emma I don't want to break that little girl's heart
 
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The game tries to look realistic and there is no realism for MC to be with them all
You make it sound like polyamory doesn't exist in real life.


You are talking about writing the game towards that directly, which further points to the other overall main reason in which I argue everything: writing each route takes resources!

In other words, I don't see how DB could write the individual 4 routes, while keeping the essence of this game, while including a harem route that is consistent with character development.
Resource is the least of the problem and definitely the one thing that dev definitely has. I'll show you how the dev could do all that you mentioned. Think about it as if the game will now have 5 different endings instead of 4 because of the harem ending.

Endings 1/2/3/4 are basically achieved by only romancing one love interest in the playthrough. We can agree on this. Ending 5 (harem) is basically achieved by choosing to romance every love interest in the playthrough. So how do we make it work without having to rewrite the whole game? It's reasonably simple. Develop the game without locking the options. Don't create choices where you have to choose one or the other (ex: it's Saturday night, don't force players to choose going on a date with Emma or Lucy), but instead separate them so they don't affect one another (ex: the date with Emma is on Saturday night, the date with Lucy is on a Sunday night) to ensure that each romance route is independent.

Therefore, all 5 endings would have the same playthrough up to right before the actual ending where it branches into ending 1/2/3/4/5. Ending 1/2/3/4 will be straight forward to the end. Ending 5 would be bigger ending because it'd require additional scenes to develop the characters further to fit into the harem ending. Ultimately, everyone would feel pissed off at the start (especially Charlotte and Suzi), but they'd come to accept that MC is such an amazing person that it's best that MC loves all of them equally, and they all equally love him back.

Logically, the justification for Charlotte's character is something like "MC is the only man that I can trust. He is the only one that doesn't just abuse women. I can't trust other men, but I can trust MC. So why wouldn't I trust him with my sister and daughters? I know he'd treat them right". Similarly with Suzi, "I'm overprotective of Emma, but eventually she will find a boyfriend. Isn't it better that her boyfriend is someone like MC rather than Zack or the other useless school kids? At least I know for sure he'd never hurt her". I also disagree with your notion that Emma is self-centered that she won't share. She literally already wished MC is her dad which implied that she'd be happy if Charlotte ends up with MC. It's only a matter of development that she'd then realized that she also had romantic feelings toward MC, and that she loves them all that she'd be fine with sharing. Lucy is easiest to fit into harem, she'd do anything just to be with MC, sharing him with her supermodel sister doesn't mean she's the second choice, it actually means that she's on the same level as Charlotte.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking for a harem ending. I don't think harem is needed in this game. Just want to say that it's perfectly possible to make the character consistent while having harem ending if that's what the dev wants to.
 

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Hello everyone, I love this game as much I love lil Lexy.
I have a question, this last update has new content?

Greatings
 

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If you are looking for a very well written drama story, it might be the best game you have played in your life But if you are looking for sex scenes, there is only one scene here and it is Solo, so I think this game is not suitable for you I personally consider this game one of the best games I have played
wow. just only one sex scene. i've never expected there is a game like this in this community
 

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Resource is the least of the problem and definitely the one thing that dev definitely has. I'll show you how the dev could do all that you mentioned. Think about it as if the game will now have 5 different endings instead of 4 because of the harem ending.

Endings 1/2/3/4 are basically achieved by only romancing one love interest in the playthrough. We can agree on this. Ending 5 (harem) is basically achieved by choosing to romance every love interest in the playthrough. So how do we make it work without having to rewrite the whole game? It's reasonably simple. Develop the game without locking the options. Don't create choices where you have to choose one or the other (ex: it's Saturday night, don't force players to choose going on a date with Emma or Lucy), but instead separate them so they don't affect one another (ex: the date with Emma is on Saturday night, the date with Lucy is on a Sunday night) to ensure that each romance route is independent.

Therefore, all 5 endings would have the same playthrough up to right before the actual ending where it branches into ending 1/2/3/4/5. Ending 1/2/3/4 will be straight forward to the end. Ending 5 would be bigger ending because it'd require additional scenes to develop the characters further to fit into the harem ending. Ultimately, everyone would feel pissed off at the start (especially Charlotte and Suzi), but they'd come to accept that MC is such an amazing person that it's best that MC loves all of them equally, and they all equally love him back.
First, this has absolutely nothing to do with what I mentioned, it is a comment on structure from a game tree point of view.

Second, this is a TERRIBLE IDEA in my opinion. What you are saying is precisely that interaction between each route is irrelevant. That makes for very less interesting stories. "Fuck Emma, got her pregnant", no consequences with the mother. Fuck Emma and Sucy, no problem. Treat Charlotte as the best woman in the world, no problem with Lucy.

First you would need to justify why no one knows. I could understand keeping it secret (find it hot when it is forbidden) for Emma and maybe Suzy, but eventually why Charlotte? Nice guy, loves my daughters as a father, they love him back (not romantically in her head) why hide it?
In some sense, precisely what you are saying is that there is no real choice. While choosing to fuck a 18 years old that you were supposed to keep safe should have heavy consequences!

In fact, this approach is what Where the heart is have done, and while fun, in the last update three girls for example realize you have been fucking them 3 (3 friends) and no a single one had any problem? really? That is in my opinion bad writing.

Logically, the justification for Charlotte's character is something like "MC is the only man that I can trust. He is the only one that doesn't just abuse women. I can't trust other men, but I can trust MC. So why wouldn't I trust him with my sister and daughters? I know he'd treat them right". Similarly with Suzi, "I'm overprotective of Emma, but eventually she will find a boyfriend. Isn't it better that her boyfriend is someone like MC rather than Zack or the other useless school kids? At least I know for sure he'd never hurt her".
This is precisely the kind of terrible "porn logic" that happens in terrible games as WMV. "MC is a gift from god so he should be shared", although in a smaller, more family centric scale.

Imagine if every mother would go and say "I love this man, he is the best and he clearly love my children.. yes, he should fuck them" Do you see that realistic?

I also disagree with your notion that Emma is self-centered that she won't share. She literally already wished MC is her dad which implied that she'd be happy if Charlotte ends up with MC. It's only a matter of development that she'd then realized that she also had romantic feelings toward MC, and that she loves them all that she'd be fine with sharing.
Look, nobody loves Emma as much as me, that anyone can tell. But if you think she is not self centered, we must really agree to disagree. She literally received a letter and assumed it was from Zak. She saw Zak fuck another girl and justified it by "she manipulated him, he clearly loves me".

I agree with Emma now thinking MC and her mother would be a great couple. But I think this is good for a different reason. If you go with Charlotte, she will remain a daughter character. If you with Emma, she will eventually start feeling jealous of her mother.

Lucy is easiest to fit into harem, she'd do anything just to be with MC, sharing him with her supermodel sister doesn't mean she's the second choice, it actually means that she's on the same level as Charlotte.
That is not the way an inferiority complex like her would work at all in my opinion! Her mind would go "I fall in love with a guy and of course I have to share it with Queen Charlotte. Not even in love I can be nothing more than Charlotte's shadow." While she might accept it, it would imply she is significantly unhappy.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking for a harem ending. I don't think harem is needed in this game. Just want to say that it's perfectly possible to make the character consistent while having harem ending if that's what the dev wants to.
Yes of course, I understand that you don't like it. We just disagree on what is "consistent behavior". But that is fine, neither is the writer here, and if one was the writer, the other would be the critique. All is good.
 
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