VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[harsha_26]

Kek.
Insulting Ian in the ORS thread is like kicking a bee-hive of average Joes.
Everyone rolls out a hyperbole or a straw-man argument to try to knock what you said back down.
It'd be nice if people actually read the comments that are made and responded to them accordingly instead of just spouting random truisms like they are refuting anything.

Simply talking about content break-down. A LOT of the in game content allows for the cuckoldry fantasy. Ian is physically smaller/weaker than the other men as a design intent. He is decidedly middling in a lot of ways as a design intent. He gets funneled into very specific routes and doesn't get much limelight with the gals. Meanwhile Lena can fuck anything that moves while still being with him. He has what, around 40% fewer scenes than Lena and a bunch of the scenes on his route are just him watching Jeremy's conquests?

Sure he can also be played in a way that fulfills the self-insert fantasy of the average Joe overcoming their deficiencies, rising to the occasion, and making the best with the gifts God gave them ect. The game focuses on passion, romance, technique, and stamina as equalizers for him being average in other ways.

His story as a writer is pretty cool.

Doesn't change the content break-down or his design much though. Game is much more suitable for cuck Ian than it is for an empowered Ian.

What u have said is absolutely right. And to those, who are countering that Ian out perform jeremy in MMF in Allison is a "choice". Not the default scene. Jeremy can outperform also. So, over-all, atleast in sexual hardcore kinks, Jeremy is way more getting enjoyment and content like lots of hardcore fucking, being a active bull, known for his dick.. etc.. and axel too.

All Ian is best is either for romance or cuck. No middle ground. Whatever you do, you can't make Ian as a maledom, hardcore, kinky strong fucker like jeremy who is known for his dick and stealing girls from Ian. I still don't know why Ian is maintaining good friendship with jeremy. If its my real life, i should have left that guy long ago.

Only content with Minerva (female Boss?) is a saving grace for Ian.

 

[PervySageKem]

What u have said is absolutely right. And to those, who are countering that Ian out perform jeremy in MMF in Allison is a "choice". Not the default scene. Jeremy can outperform also. So, over-all, atleast in sexual hardcore kinks, Jeremy is way more getting enjoyment and content like lots of hardcore fucking, being a active bull, known for his dick.. etc.. and axel too.

All Ian is best is either for romance or cuck. No middle ground. Whatever you do, you can't make Ian as a maledom, hardcore, kinky strong fucker like jeremy who is known for his dick and stealing girls from Ian. I still don't know why Ian is maintaining good friendship with jeremy. If its my real life, i should have left that guy long ago.

That is true, but that also ends up with the design logic of EvaKiss and why I've for several times said it wasn't very enjoyable.

In GGGB, you can have so much fun because you don't give a fuck about any of those guys, you don't care if you cuck them. In one playthrougth you'll be the right girl for one of them, in the next girl you'll be the worst girl in that guy's life. Since you are playing as the Female Protagonist, you don't feel bad for the Average Joe that goes to Somalia.

In this game, EvaKiss decided "you are going to play a Male Character" just to make it so the content with him is subpar or jealousy inducing, when everyone prefers to be the Bull.

Everyone here that enjoys Jeremy and Axel content views that content self-inserting as Jeremy, Axel or Lena. So they enjoy it. What was the point of having a Male MC at that point?

EvaKiss just decided: "You can either have bad content and feel okay, or you can have good content and feel jealous. Either you completely ignore Ian and skip through all of his content to finally play Lena, or you are gonna have a bad time". That's kinda stupid, to be honest with y'all.

 

[mannice431]

Just realized that by the time the next update rolls around (or maybe even the beta/final revisions that will be out soon) we'll finally get to see an Alison/Lena meetup.

Which is just great imo, gimme some of that sweet drama.

 

[harsha_26]

It took a day. The new chapter has been released for a day and all the crusty weirdos flooded back into this thread to complain about how their Ian jerks it to Jeremy and can't get it up or about how their Lena is a hypocrite slut.

I played Ian is a normal guy and Ian as a cuck guy, My only complaint is, Why cant Ian make Jeremy a cuck (alteast a unwilling cuck unlike Ian) instead by sending him the videos (whether he like it or not)? Why there isn't a route where we can make the jeremy life as hell? It is not fair at all. Please dont say making jeremy a cuck isn't a goal. There is space to create type of content but Eva never cared for that. Because her fanbase is more instrested in Ian's Romance & Lena's corruption than anything else.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

Could someone tell me does this game have se sound effects? because looking at this changelog it looks like it might.

Indeed the game does have sound effects, including some moans and other sex noises during at least some lewd scenes.

 

[sztrb]

perry is such a fucking deadweight, you are killing my vibe with allison dude.
mc already got cucked by jeremy trying to smal talk the girl. fuck this im out

Perry is everyones one friend who was a cockblock.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

I played Ian is a normal guy and Ian as a cuck guy, My only complaint is, Why cant Ian make Jeremy a cuck (alteast a unwilling cuck unlike Ian) instead by sending him the videos (whether he like it or not)? Why there isn't a route where we can make the jeremy life as hell? It is not fair at all. Please dont say making jeremy a cuck isn't a goal. There is space to create type of content but Eva never cared for that. Because her fanbase is more instrested in Ian's Romance & Lena's corruption than anything else.

Each characters plays his or her part in this story. Jeremy's part is as the horndog male that (some) girls just want to fuck. If you really want to cuck somebody as Ian, cuck Perry by sleeping with Emma (though Perry isn't in a relationship with Emma, he clearly has a major crush on her) and you can certainly cuck the hell out of Wade with Cindy. If Ian getting cuckolded bothers you, when you play as Lena don't take any interest in Jeremy. Seems pretty straightforward. And Ian can be a major chick magnet, too. His dick might not be as massive as Jeremy's, but he scores Allison, Emma, Cindy, etc etc and the don't just think he's awesome in bed, they also fall in love with him. With Jeremy they only want sex, if that. Sorry, I guess I just don't get what the problem is.

 

[Olivia_V]

This was a nice long update, but I could already see the immense story branching that will be required of every update going forward. At least, the story still seems to be heading in good directions.

 

[harsha_26]

Each characters plays his or her part in this story. Jeremy's part is as the horndog male that (some) girls just want to fuck. If you really want to cuck somebody as Ian, cuck Perry by sleeping with Emma (though Perry isn't in a relationship with Emma, he clearly has a major crush on her) and you can certainly cuck the hell out of Wade with Cindy. If Ian getting cuckolded bothers you, when you play as Lena don't take any interest in Jeremy. Seems pretty straightforward. And Ian can be a major chick magnet, too. His dick might not be as massive as Jeremy's, but he scores Allison, Emma, Cindy, etc etc and the don't just think he's awesome in bed, they also fall in love with him. With Jeremy they only want sex, if that. Sorry, I guess I just don't get what the problem is.

Fuck the love. Everyone who playing as Ian are not looking for love. I dont want it. My primary kinks are maledom, hardcore, bull, netori. Guys like Jeremy & Axel are best at it. I want to beat them in the above mentioned kinks, not at love. So, now tell me is it possible by Ian even atleast by future? Absolutely No. Yes, I can cuck perry and wade because those guys are weaker than Ian. Even then, Ian still cant make wade life as hell by sending videos or fucking cindy infront of him. This game is only for those who like Ian either as a romantic soul or a cuck boy. If players want something middle ground, they get it but it wont be enough compare to Jeremy's content. ian's saving grace is only content with minerva.

 

[RoxTheVile]

Is there a way we can make Lena into a proper dominant character? I want her on top no matter the person.

 

[Nickly]

Fuck the love. Everyone who playing as Ian are looking for love. I dont want it. My primary kinks are maledom, hardcore, bull, netori. Guys like Jeremy & Axel are best at it. I want to beat them in sex, not at love. So, now tell me is it possible by Ian even atleast by future? Absolutely No. Yes, I can cuck perry and wade because those guys are weaker than Ian. Even then, Ian still cant make wade life as hell by sending videos or fucking cindy infront of him. This game is only for those who like Ian either as a romantic soul or a cuck boy. If players want something middle ground, they get it but it wont be enough compare to Jeremy's content. ian's saving grace is only content with minerva.

God you people are so fucking weird.
Ian can:
Cuck Wade
Cuck Minerva's husband
Essentially cuck every other character by fucking Lena assuming you don't play her like a whore
Constantly ignore Alison rawdog requests (which she secretly loves)
Outperform Jeremy, again assuming you don't play like a baby bitch

 

[lockerxx]

Sure, copy this into the game directory to unlock the gallery:

HTH

thanks!!!

 

[italianstallionxxx]

wade you dumb fuck, you are going to lose cindy if you keep being a sad sack like that loser perry

 

[DS1Q]

Bruh, what people are complaining about Ian can do... Provided you actually play the game and not skip the dialogue.
We are I think halfway through the game, storytelling and character development can and has affected Ian.
Ian provided you play him properly goes from not being that confident in bed to slowly gaining enough confidence to outperform a character that's known for being a horndog and good at sex.
You also pretty much see that Axel is really fucking insecure and acts like a bitch when he sees Ian with Lena.
The entire playthrough depends solely on how you play and Ian can only go up or down depending on the playthrough

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Is there a way we can make Lena into a proper dominant character? I want her on top no matter the person.

So far she can top Louise and Stan, with a just developing option to top Ian as one of many other route options with him. Louise and Stan's routes for that are much more straightforward. There may be a route for Robert there as well. No idea as I've never played past the first bar scene with him.

 

[Deleted member 113137]

Each characters plays his or her part in this story. Jeremy's part is as the horndog male that (some) girls just want to fuck. If you really want to cuck somebody as Ian, cuck Perry by sleeping with Emma (though Perry isn't in a relationship with Emma, he clearly has a major crush on her) and you can certainly cuck the hell out of Wade with Cindy. If Ian getting cuckolded bothers you, when you play as Lena don't take any interest in Jeremy. Seems pretty straightforward. And Ian can be a major chick magnet, too. His dick might not be as massive as Jeremy's, but he scores Allison, Emma, Cindy, etc etc and the don't just think he's awesome in bed, they also fall in love with him. With Jeremy they only want sex, if that. Sorry, I guess I just don't get what the problem is.

I agree on that. This isn't something like Love & Sex: Second Base, where you basically insert yourself in a Sandbox Enviroment. This Game feels much more linear/narrative driven where you have "losely" defined Protagonists, which you still can influence hugely (while still trying to be somewhat consistent with the Core-Idea of this Characters) and take toward different potential Path. Not define every single aspect of them, so they basically became an entirely different Characters. Plus based on how far the Game goes from what the dev has planned, there is still room to expand on them... but not in a way that the core becomes so incosistent to swap out Ian as Jeremy Rip-off, but in it's own way.

Sure, as a fan of L&S: SB I'd love to have a Eva-Kiss Game where you could insert yourself more - maybe even name the Main Character(s) and stuff. But so far this isn't that type of game, that's why i find that reactions also somewhat weird.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Can't believe Eva went from creating crazy, unexpected and exciting situations with GGGB to this: a generic pornhub scene generator. Pretty much every character is a young top model, every scenes and relationships are boring and predictable.

The visuals and overall production is great, but gadamn this is as boring as it can get. big yikes for me...

While I think ORS is generally better all-around than GGGB - aside from Eva chickening out about some routes she clearly wanted originally - I've gotta agree with you on the model thing with most of the main female characters. I got that same exact impression from the dialogue in Chapter 10's Club Blazer scene.

Disagree about the Pornhub generator point as both games can carry that same comment. GGGB definitely pushed the envelope more with far spicier scenarios, but was also much less realistic & more simplistic in writing, leading to less immersion. Could ORS have been more spicy and remained as natural & realistic? Yeah. Maybe not to the extent of MCs stepdad shoving her face into her mom's muff as he rails her from behind (great route though) or becoming a drug-lord kingpin (by far the dumbest storyline in GGGB, with whipped doormat generic cuck-porn Eric route not far behind), but some punches were definitely pulled intentionally that didn't need to be.

 

[BobSly]

Fuck the love. Everyone who playing as Ian are not looking for love. I dont want it.

I am, that's why I like this game and where I find the most interest in Ian's story. The game has been catered to prime like me, and not you, and that's ok.

If EvaKISS had infinite resources maybe she would add a way for you to play out your preferred fantasy, but she doesn't. She's opted to cater to the sensibilities of people like myself and others, but not for you, and as much as you might want her to cater to your preferred storyline/ characterisation, she's not obligated to and you're not entitled to demanding that.

You've made it clear what you would like, not you've gone over the line in further demanding that the world confom to your whims and dismissed/denied the preferences of others (i.e. "Everyone [playing this game]... is not looking for love"). That statement couldn't be further from the truth, I would argue that is the major selling point and authorial focus of the narrative.


But you being wrong aside, perhaps consider that things aren't all made expressly and directly for you, but rather that media is created by artist that want to express themselves and/or connect with an audience that may, or may not, be you.

 

[Vis117]

Any new Cindy content?

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Any new Cindy content?

Yes, one sex scene