Ren'Py 30 Year Old Virgin [v0.36.DV] [Black Star Games]

[Badboll]

You can disable it at any time and prevent it from happening.

Well the thing is, it's gone from the files completely. There is also no NTr scenes at all. at least not in the version that's in the OP
I see no problem with optional scenes. but some people just can't handle it and the dev seems to be hesitant to do what he wants and when he even talks about doing something with the family pets, not even mentioning what he gets hounded by them.

 

[Milkmanstan]

Frankly speaking, I don't get the bitching about NTR here on most of these games. The MC is fucking a bunch of different girls. How many of them know that your sleeping with other girls? How many think you're actually in a committed relationship with them? Are they all cool being in some dudes harem? "Man NTR is so awful, but only when it's happening to me!" Now actual NTR between actual partners is a trash fetish. That's not what's happening in this game.

Sucks the catgirls scene was cut and gutted to placate a few vocal prudes that can't read well enough to disable the content. She's got such a cute design. I really wanna see her get railed by the family dog.

 

[Badboll]

Frankly speaking, I don't get the bitching about NTR here on most of these games. The MC is fucking a bunch of different girls. How many of them know that your sleeping with other girls? How many think you're actually in a committed relationship with them? Are they all cool being in some dudes harem? "Man NTR is so awful, but only when it's happening to me!" Now actual NTR between actual partners is a trash fetish. That's not what's happening in this game.

Sucks the catgirls scene was cut and gutted to placate a few vocal prudes that can't read well enough to disable the content. She's got such a cute design. I really wanna see her get railed by the family dog.

The thing is as long as the tags are still there it's going to keep happening.
They should follow the rules of the forum and delete the tag until it's actually needed. If it ever will be.
I honestly think the game is fine as it is, but it doesn't really make sense given the animals and the plans for them.
There is no point in having scenes with the animals and characters unrelated to the MC, I know I am not interested in that.
So it's better to not have it at all at that point.
Time will tell what the dev does. But yeah.. People will bitch as long as they are allowed to do so.

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[str8up]

In my opinion this is the kind of game Female MC be better

 

[Larry2000]

The thing is as long as the tags are still there it's going to keep happening.
They should follow the rules of the forum and delete the tag until it's actually needed. If it ever will be.
I honestly think the game is fine as it is, but it doesn't really make sense given the animals and the plans for them.
There is no point in having scenes with the animals and characters unrelated to the MC, I know I am not interested in that.
So it's better to not have it at all at that point.
Time will tell what the dev does. But yeah.. People will bitch as long as they are allowed to do so.

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I don't want to get offtopic so if this gets deleted, that's fair, but to be clear, you're not really accurately portraying in your spoiler the correct argument.

You're right that people don't go and say "Remove vanilla" from an experience that clearly isn't for them, that said, there are people in the En Tee Argh camp that try to convince developers to add it into a game that it doesn't belong. My own game and a few other games were bribed (they attempted to anyway) by certain fans of the genre "Add it for (input money amount)". See what I mean? It's not just paranoia, it's happened before.

Also, one thing you're also misconstruing is the reason why people don't want it in the game at all. Now, you can disagree with people that don't want it at all even if optional, there are fair arguments on that point but I won't cover them here. That said, it's more a situation akin to a dinner plate. Some people HATE when food touches their other food. Mashed potatoes touching eggs or their meat or their blah blah blah. Now, normally a fetish is like, adding something that you may or may not like. Not too bad to be honest, but it's still annoying to avoid say horse radish (Pegging as an example) when you're eating some nice curry (Romantic Sex) or salad (Small Boobs) on the plate. It's avoidable, but it's still around. Then someone adds something they consider to be a huge pile of shit (En Tee Argh in this case) and suddenly the issue isn't avoiding it, it's "Why the fuck is their shit on my plate?!?"


You can agree or disagree on whether this is an overexaggeration, but you can't deny that's how people feel. So in my book, I don't see how complaining about that is bad. Do people take it too far? Sure they do. Should dev's be attacked? NO! But is there something somewhat reasonable in their argument? Absolutely.

 

[Badboll]

I don't want to get offtopic so if this gets deleted, that's fair, but to be clear, you're not really accurately portraying in your spoiler the correct argument.

You're right that people don't go and say "Remove vanilla" from an experience that clearly isn't for them, that said, there are people in the En Tee Argh camp that try to convince developers to add it into a game that it doesn't belong. My own game and a few other games were bribed (they attempted to anyway) by certain fans of the genre "Add it for (input money amount)". See what I mean? It's not just paranoia, it's happened before.

Also, one thing you're also misconstruing is the reason why people don't want it in the game at all. Now, you can disagree with people that don't want it at all even if optional, there are fair arguments on that point but I won't cover them here. That said, it's more a situation akin to a dinner plate. Some people HATE when food touches their other food. Mashed potatoes touching eggs or their meat or their blah blah blah. Now, normally a fetish is like, adding something that you may or may not like. Not too bad to be honest, but it's still annoying to avoid say horse radish (Pegging as an example) when you're eating some nice curry (Romantic Sex) or salad (Small Boobs) on the plate. It's avoidable, but it's still around. Then someone adds something they consider to be a huge pile of shit (En Tee Argh in this case) and suddenly the issue isn't avoiding it, it's "Why the fuck is their shit on my plate?!?"


You can agree or disagree on whether this is an overexaggeration, but you can't deny that's how people feel. So in my book, I don't see how complaining about that is bad. Do people take it too far? Sure they do. Should dev's be attacked? NO! But is there something somewhat reasonable in their argument? Absolutely.

First no I do not agree with you that I am not accurately portraying the correct argument, I definitely am.
Also I never said the reverse didn't happen. Asking for NTR in a game where it makes sense to have it is different to asking for it in a game where it doesn't make sense at all. There are a few games where the devs go so close to it so at that point why not add it in, at that point the people who are fans of that genre are just getting baited at that point.
The rest of what you are writing about is what one would call being irrational.
I would never tell anyone to listen to anyone being irrational. your weird food analogies are just that. Irrational.
The issue remains, people need to accept a no and other people need to accept that questions can be asked without people getting defensive. There is no harm in trying to convince a dev to do something, with money or otherwise.
If a dev can't stick to their own ideas and make what they want, that's on them not on the person asking for something the dev doesn't actually want. Going back to the food thing, the only reason you can have for not wanting something on your plate is an allergy. You can't be allergic to NTR or a specific genre. It's just irrational at that point.
You are the one misconstruing things here. And this En Tee argh thing you are doing is cringe as fuck.

 

[elbo911]

[...] the only reason you can have for not wanting something on your plate is an allergy. [...]

That alone shows your one-dimensional thinking and disqualifies everything else you say. But carry on, you sure seem to have it all figured out.

 

[Shiko200]

That alone shows your one-dimensional thinking and disqualifies everything else you say. But carry on, you sure seem to have it all figured out.

Honestly I haven't played this game yet but i dont completely disagree with him. I mean aside for the whole argument in this thread I say it's kinda sucks when a dev rolls back some content he added because of some dicks who don't have the mental capacity to just turn off ntr Or pick a different choice. But i also kinda understand if the dev did it because he got worried about people being scared away from this game as I believe this game didn't have plans for ntr Or similar content from the start? Again I haven't played this game just came here to check it out based on a recommendation.

 

[shiftysky]

How do you unlock the Anal-Lyzer?

 

[Black Star Games]

I don't want to get offtopic so if this gets deleted, that's fair, but to be clear, you're not really accurately portraying in your spoiler the correct argument.

You're right that people don't go and say "Remove vanilla" from an experience that clearly isn't for them, that said, there are people in the En Tee Argh camp that try to convince developers to add it into a game that it doesn't belong. My own game and a few other games were bribed (they attempted to anyway) by certain fans of the genre "Add it for (input money amount)". See what I mean? It's not just paranoia, it's happened before.

Also, one thing you're also misconstruing is the reason why people don't want it in the game at all. Now, you can disagree with people that don't want it at all even if optional, there are fair arguments on that point but I won't cover them here. That said, it's more a situation akin to a dinner plate. Some people HATE when food touches their other food. Mashed potatoes touching eggs or their meat or their blah blah blah. Now, normally a fetish is like, adding something that you may or may not like. Not too bad to be honest, but it's still annoying to avoid say horse radish (Pegging as an example) when you're eating some nice curry (Romantic Sex) or salad (Small Boobs) on the plate. It's avoidable, but it's still around. Then someone adds something they consider to be a huge pile of shit (En Tee Argh in this case) and suddenly the issue isn't avoiding it, it's "Why the fuck is their shit on my plate?!?"


You can agree or disagree on whether this is an overexaggeration, but you can't deny that's how people feel. So in my book, I don't see how complaining about that is bad. Do people take it too far? Sure they do. Should dev's be attacked? NO! But is there something somewhat reasonable in their argument? Absolutely.

I like your analogy of fetishes to food on a plate but disagree how you used it.

In your analogy you are asking the waiter for no pickles, but he will still come out with pickles on the plate then he tells you to pluck them out yourself.

How I look at it. If you ask for no pickles, then your plate will come with no pickles. But pickles are still an option on the menu for those who want them.

The general comments I read about it from my perspective is that people will walk in to my restaurant, see pickles as a option on the menu, rage, and then picket outside my restaurant warning other customers that my restaurant will force you down and give you an enema with pickles non-consensually.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I like your analogy of fetishes to food on a plate but disagree how you used it.

In your analogy you are asking the waiter for no pickles, but he will still come out with pickles on the plate then he tells you to pluck them out yourself.

How I look at it. If you ask for no pickles, then your plate will come with no pickles. But pickles are still an option on the menu for those who want them.

The general comments I read about it from my perspective is that people will walk in to my restaurant, see pickles as a option on the menu, rage, and then picket outside my restaurant warning other customers that my restaurant will force you down and give you an enema with pickles non-consensually.

I see it more as an all-you-can-eat buffet. You only eat vegetables if you want, and if you want to stuff yourself with potatoes and chicken, you can do so, but there are also Brussels sprouts for those who want adventure.

 

[colobancuz]

I like your analogy of fetishes to food on a plate but disagree how you used it.

In your analogy you are asking the waiter for no pickles, but he will still come out with pickles on the plate then he tells you to pluck them out yourself.

How I look at it. If you ask for no pickles, then your plate will come with no pickles. But pickles are still an option on the menu for those who want them.

The general comments I read about it from my perspective is that people will walk in to my restaurant, see pickles as a option on the menu, rage, and then picket outside my restaurant warning other customers that my restaurant will force you down and give you an enema with pickles non-consensually.

Sometimes people hate pickles so much that they don't even want to see them on menus and in neighboring restaurants. Their smell (of pickles, naturally) just drives them crazy.
By the way, Renpy uses an algorithm called “pickling” everywhere in saves, archives and compiled files. Just as a note to haters to avoid Renpy.

 

[Larry2000]

I like your analogy of fetishes to food on a plate but disagree how you used it.

In your analogy you are asking the waiter for no pickles, but he will still come out with pickles on the plate then he tells you to pluck them out yourself.

How I look at it. If you ask for no pickles, then your plate will come with no pickles. But pickles are still an option on the menu for those who want them.

The general comments I read about it from my perspective is that people will walk in to my restaurant, see pickles as a option on the menu, rage, and then picket outside my restaurant warning other customers that my restaurant will force you down and give you an enema with pickles non-consensually.

Look, the point of analogies is they are approximates to a situation, they aren't always exact. So your interpretation of a game being a restaurant is one way to interpret it. But in my view, the product is the plate itself and it's not as simple as pickles.

For my view, I see the characters that my character has or will romance/have sex with be open to fucking animals... now, I don't know about you, but that's incredibly weird to me, if not, disturbing. If you like your girls fucking dogs and horses like you signed up for by your response to that one NTR guy above then that clashes with mine. This is your response:

The animals are there and you will see them get action with the family. As with any other characters atm that I would love to add more content for, I'm currently working on Ash and Faye to fill them out. The family pets will get their time to shine.

Also, the Gantz dog scene from the intro basically set off ww3, it does make it hard to prio something with such strong reactions. I still have my visions for what I want to do with the pets like a Dr Bones game its just im building everything up in my games world to all reach the same level.

Now, are you adding NTR or not? It seems to me you want to avoid that word, but also want to add Bestiality to your love interests? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Now if it sounds like I'm being pushy, it's cause I personally love Dev's and if you're into something extreme, that's fine and cool, I can walk away and be peaceful, as can most people, but one thing I do NOT like is lies. You said early on after you removed the cat/NTR scene that you wouldn't have NTR. Someone asked about Bestiality and you said it would only be with Non-Love Interests usually in some comedic way.

Now you're saying they will all fuck animals? At least clear that up please. No hard feelings, just want information.

 

[Black Star Games]

Look, the point of analogies is they are approximates to a situation, they aren't always exact. So your interpretation of a game being a restaurant is one way to interpret it. But in my view, the product is the plate itself and it's not as simple as pickles.

For my view, I see the characters that my character has or will romance/have sex with be open to fucking animals... now, I don't know about you, but that's incredibly weird to me, if not, disturbing. If you like your girls fucking dogs and horses like you signed up for by your response to that one NTR guy above then that clashes with mine. This is your response:


Now, are you adding NTR or not? It seems to me you want to avoid that word, but also want to add Bestiality to your love interests? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Now if it sounds like I'm being pushy, it's cause I personally love Dev's and if you're into something extreme, that's fine and cool, I can walk away and be peaceful, as can most people, but one thing I do NOT like is lies. You said early on after you removed the cat/NTR scene that you wouldn't have NTR. Someone asked about Bestiality and you said it would only be with Non-Love Interests usually in some comedic way.

Now you're saying they will all fuck animals? At least clear that up please. No hard feelings, just want information.

Bestiality with non-LI's is not ntr

 

[harem.king]

Monster sex is obviously NTR but what if YOU were the monster, is that NTR? (select two choices)

this is asking the wrong question.
it is asking about the semantics definition of a word
instead of asking "do you want to see X in the game"

also need various important context to answer.
for example, are the waifus fucking the monster AWARE that the monster is you in disguise. or do they think you and the monster are two separate entities

 

[elbo911]

All those technicalities are getting on my nerves. Especially as everyone seems to try pigeonholing the game into one category or another.

I, personally, generally dislike NTR. What I do dislike about it is the implication that if 'my' LIs are having sexual relations with other men, that tarnishes the emotional connection (or 'love') they have with 'me' aka the MC.
I, personally, also like bestiality. I like seeing females getting fucked by animals, I think it's hot. And even if it's 'my' LIs getting fucked, I don't have a problem with that, because to me that is just about the depravity of the interspecies sex, I don't see a reason to be 'emotionally threatened' by a mindless animal. To me, it practically is the same as my gf pleasuring herself with a toy.

I'm perfectly aware that not everyone will share that interpretation, and everybody is entitled to their own views. Still, this is one way to look at it and you'll have to respect that as well.

 

[spooge_nugget]

The animals are there and you will see them get action with the family.

Bestiality with non-LI's is not ntr

Are you or do you aspire to be a politician? Your inconsistency, lack of clarity/forthrightness would certainly suggest so.

I don't see a reason to be 'emotionally threatened' by a mindless animal.

While that argument could work elsewhere, it doesn't really apply in this work, as the animals aren't that simple.
There seems to be a lot more to the horse than that a mindless animal. I have suspicions that it is a human/intelligent lifeform that has transformed into a horse.
The cat has previously transformed into a big, buff humanoid form.
While the dog isn't currently on the same level, it has been humanised somewhat by the dev, so it feels like more than just a simple dog (to my recollection).

 

[elbo911]

Are you or do you aspire to be a politician? Your inconsistency, lack of clarity/forthrightness would certainly suggest so.



While that argument could work elsewhere, it doesn't really apply in this work, as the animals aren't that simple.
There seems to be a lot more to the horse than that a mindless animal. I have suspicions that it is a human/intelligent lifeform that has transformed into a horse.
The cat has previously transformed into a big, buff humanoid form.
While the dog isn't currently on the same level, it has been humanised somewhat by the dev, so it feels like more than just a simple dog (to my recollection).

Gotta admit, I only thought of the dog scene (which I still find unproblematic), forgot about the cat transformation. I don't share your theory about the horse and the cat's change seemed more cosmetic than mind-altering to me, but I guess I can better see how people might be worried about that.

 

[Black Star Games]

this is asking the wrong question.
it is asking about the semantics definition of a word
instead of asking "do you want to see X in the game"

also need various important context to answer.
for example, are the waifus fucking the monster AWARE that the monster is you in disguise. or do they think you and the monster are two separate entities

The poll wasn't meant to ask about adding anything to the game. Its a random fun thought experiment to gauge public sentiment on ntr. I was always ntr neutral or agnostic before I started my game so it was a bit of a whiplash for me learning peoples, lets call it, passion on the topic. Ntr has zero consistency, sure one person will have a well defined definition of ntr to themselves but the next person will have a completely different take on it.

I was also brainstorming some ideas for this years halloween special and one thought related to the poll did enter my mind, that and among others. But I have something else planned for the special that I like better anyways.

Heres the result of the poll:


Not surprising it is a mixed bag but it is surprising to me how many people do enjoy ntr with that also considering this game/forum isnt aligned with them, so that percent could be higher. That being said, I am NOT going to change my game to add ntr because of any perceived popularity, you all can stop typing your angry messages I can hear you typing right now.

 

[Black Star Games]

Are you or do you aspire to be a politician? Your inconsistency, lack of clarity/forthrightness would certainly suggest so.



While that argument could work elsewhere, it doesn't really apply in this work, as the animals aren't that simple.
There seems to be a lot more to the horse than that a mindless animal. I have suspicions that it is a human/intelligent lifeform that has transformed into a horse.
The cat has previously transformed into a big, buff humanoid form.
While the dog isn't currently on the same level, it has been humanised somewhat by the dev, so it feels like more than just a simple dog (to my recollection).

I can understand your frustration, to me it is consistent with how I define and perceive it. If you don't share that same exact definition I know it can look inconsistent.

Obviously ntr is a very delicate and precarious topic. To clarify about the family animals and the family, from the start there was never any plans for full on penetration just some curiosity and playfulness. There will be full on raunchy scenes with non-LI's.

I am not sure what gave you the impression that the horse and dog are anything else than a horse and dog. I do believe I have it written in game somewhere, that the horse Bernardini was a prized racing horse with [mc]'s grand parent Granpy that back in the day they were unbeatable. Later the horse and Granpy were caught up in controversies that caused them to retire early. The controversy is never explicitly stated but it is a porn game and the horse gets aroused around human women, I think some can make some educated guesses. That lore of Granpy and Bernardini will be expanded on in the future. Max the dog is just a dog, a derpy one at that.

The house cat Mr. Meows/Mauw does become humanized through a botched magic ritual. The house cats role is antagonist to the [mc], I havnt much expanded on it yet but there will be some tension with a girl in [mc]'s harem and the house cat.