The last event I completed was with Sidney in "Under The Table." Is that the final event that's left so far?
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The last event I completed was with Sidney in "Under The Table." Is that the final event that's left so far?
The last big event in this update involves Cami screwing up big time and an upgrade to the weekend payment event.
If you've seen those events, than you're at the end for now.
Might be just me, But I think this is one of the better VN's out there. When I first found AFV I became a paying subscriber, updates were about once a month, then it was every two months, then 3 months. At that time it was just one dev " Will Tylor ". I canceled my subscription after the updates started taking longer and longer. Been watching the progress ever since. Now there is other ppl working on it other than just Will. And yet the updates are still getting further apart. Making roughly $3k a month from subscribers, ( was more before they were kicked from patreon ) I'd think they would try to put out updates much faster to keep ppl happy, but seems to be milking them instead. If the updates start dropping in the 1-2 month range again, I would re-subscribe and start paying again. Been 7 months and roughly $21000 ( probably more ) later and no update, something seems fishy to me. I do understand things take time, but to me, this is getting out of hand. Prove me wrong and start dropping updates again.
Three thousand a month is not enough to live on. Both of us have full time jobs that eat up most of our day.
We'd love to do this full time but at the moment we're doing this as hobbyists.
I don't think the updates were ever once a month, or even every other month.
The very early days when the updates were super short, they certainly came out faster than the bigger updates we've been doing. As time has gone on, we've been adding a lot more to each update. Scenes are bigger with far more renders in each. Way more animations then we've ever done. Along with more events packed into each update.
Will (and to a lesser extent myself) have gotten better in DAZ over the years. But as we've gotten better, creating scenes takes more time.
If you look at the quality of the first animations in the game and compare them to the ones Wills able to make now. It's rather impressive how far he's come. But it comes at the price of added time to make. Boob jiggle ain't easy.
All that said, we agree that update have taken to long to come out. This is why we've been saying here and on discord that in the update following this coming one. We're going to try out smaller updates to get them out faster.
We'll see how that works out.
We'd love to do this full time but at the moment we're doing this as hobbyists.
I don't think the updates were ever once a month, or even every other month.
The very early days when the updates were super short, they certainly came out faster than the bigger updates we've been doing. As time has gone on, we've been adding a lot more to each update. Scenes are bigger with far more renders in each. Way more animations then we've ever done. Along with more events packed into each update.
Will (and to a lesser extent myself) have gotten better in DAZ over the years. But as we've gotten better, creating scenes takes more time.
If you look at the quality of the first animations in the game and compare them to the ones Wills able to make now. It's rather impressive how far he's come. But it comes at the price of added time to make. Boob jiggle ain't easy.
All that said, we agree that update have taken to long to come out. This is why we've been saying here and on discord that in the update following this coming one. We're going to try out smaller updates to get them out faster.
We'll see how that works out.
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You needed like $8000 a month to realistically support 2 people, so 4k each. Could maybe scrape by with 3k per a person if they were good at managing money.
Updates were about every 1-2 months when I first subscribed to subscribe star. I know because I was paying for it, yes it was a while ago. And yes, must be much harder to live off of without patreon money too. Income from game pretty much cut in half. I did not say or even think this was your full time job, just saying. Give us a date and size of next update, then maybe I will believe ppl are not getting milked for their money. Or are we just going to get more excuses like usual? Thx.
If you want to support, support, if you don't like how things are, don't support, the people who continue to support him know how things are and how long it takes, it's that simple and the almost 3k that you complain about are nothing for a married person and barely help a single person and that is if he have their own house
Use the search function or look on SS for that info.
Not in America.
You need to take out SS/Patreons cut, then you need to pay US taxes.
That's gonna leave you with under 2k which won't even cover your rent unless you live in a really bad area.
I just meant it as hard earnings, after all of that, if you have 4k each, you can survive on that.
That'd be something along the lines of 12k on SS.
Strenif has the right of it. We're absolutely not trying to milk each update. We're working as fast as we can and giving this game all the spare time we have. Before I started animating, I had no idea how long it takes to animate a short scene. Currently most of the animations I'm creating are a minimum of 5 seconds with some going as long as 10. I know there are animation programs out there that are easier to use, but animating inside daz studio with daz assets is not very easy. Depending on how complicated the animation is, it can take me about six hours to animate a five second scene. And unfortunately it's a rare day that I'm able to put six hours into the game. so a single animation frequently can take me as many as three calendar days to complete. My first couple updates had zero animations, and then for a while I was creating one second loop animations that had no collision physics, no boob and butt bounce physics, and static mouths, pussys, and assholes. This was all just due to my lack of experience. The speed of the updates has definitely been a cost of my gain in experience. Mostly it's been due to my skills increasing in the elements mentioned above, but I'll admit I'm spending unnecessary time doing stupid things like making the couch look like it's sagging under character's asses when they're sitting down for an image that's only going to show up for a couple seconds in game. I'm working on curbing my desire to make each frame perfect so that I don't spend an unnecessary amount of time on stupid stuff like that.
As several people above mentioned, It's hard for a single person in the US to live off of less than 3K/month. I'm currently supporting a family of four, so I absolutely have to have a full time job. Free time was more abundant when my wife was working full-time as well. Now due to health issues, she can't work at all, and while she gets a disability check, it isn't much. The income from AFV was super helpful, and having Patreon take more than half of that income away was pretty painful. We've definitely had to tighten our belts in our home. As much work as Strenif does on the game, I really should be giving him a big chunk of my earnings, but unfortunately I haven't been able to afford to pay him at all, he's just been doing the work he does on his free time for free because he loves the game, has great ideas, and wants to keep the updates from taking even longer than they already do. I'm incredibly lucky and grateful for his help!
I guess all I'm trying to say is that there's no scheme to try and milk as much money as we can from each update, You have no idea how much I want to give this game all my attention and time. Yes, I'm super happy it makes money, and it's very helpful, but more than anything I just love AFV and I love being a game developer. I hope more than anything that one day I can say that it's my job, and not just a hobby.
As several people above mentioned, It's hard for a single person in the US to live off of less than 3K/month. I'm currently supporting a family of four, so I absolutely have to have a full time job. Free time was more abundant when my wife was working full-time as well. Now due to health issues, she can't work at all, and while she gets a disability check, it isn't much. The income from AFV was super helpful, and having Patreon take more than half of that income away was pretty painful. We've definitely had to tighten our belts in our home. As much work as Strenif does on the game, I really should be giving him a big chunk of my earnings, but unfortunately I haven't been able to afford to pay him at all, he's just been doing the work he does on his free time for free because he loves the game, has great ideas, and wants to keep the updates from taking even longer than they already do. I'm incredibly lucky and grateful for his help!
I guess all I'm trying to say is that there's no scheme to try and milk as much money as we can from each update, You have no idea how much I want to give this game all my attention and time. Yes, I'm super happy it makes money, and it's very helpful, but more than anything I just love AFV and I love being a game developer. I hope more than anything that one day I can say that it's my job, and not just a hobby.
Are you sure that you want to say, "doing this as hobbits" instead of "hobbyists"? And you can live off of $3K a month, depending on where you live. I get about that a month from disability and social security and I do ok. Can't live in extravagance and part of my money goes into a vacation fund that I created but it's doable.
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No, I didn't. I had a fiance with two preteens, a boy and a girl. She worked but her pay didn't exactly put us in a comfort zone. It was tough, ngl but, it was still doable.
I guess it depends. I would assume he is making about 2k after taxes(but lets be real using that is an excuse since it is obviously paid the following year usually) and at least 2k from a full time job a month. It really depends WHERE they live even with kids.
At the end of the day, it is what is. You cant guilt them into working faster and there isnt much they can say to have people who dont want to support, donate.
At the end of the day, it is what is. You cant guilt them into working faster and there isnt much they can say to have people who dont want to support, donate.
Are you really arguing that the creator should harden up and learn how to better live in poverty so us proles can get our porn game updates in a more timely fashion?
Aww, maaaan...I take a few days away from home to go jab pretty doodles into peoples' tender, tender flesh in another town and I miss all of this delicious, petty drama? Rats.
Generally my overdeveloped sense of snark would berate me into making some sort of long-winded, scathing commentary about how it's totally possible to survive off of $3k a month, but not many people would call that living when you've got a full family to support (and fate forbid anything like life happens in there, where you have to pay out of pocket to fix a car, have a medical expense, build a new Scrooge McDuck-like vault to keep all your excess cash and gold coins in, etc.), but I feel like the concept has been fairly well covered already. I don't exactly live an extravagant life, and I've only got little ol' me to support, but $3k/month is basically what it takes to keep a roof over my head, the lights on, and pay for all the stupid little monthly bills it takes to live in the US (phone, internet, various insurances, monthly dues to the fashion police so I'm still allowed to wear plaid, whatever). Not to mention my tragic addiction to eating enough to keep myself alive. If I could just kick that habit, I'd be living in the lap of luxury.
Right. Like I said, no long-winded whinging (yes, it's a word) about the cost of living versus the shoddy payouts that creative types get these days. As someone slowly transitioning into this kind of creative work myself, even coming from an art, writing, photography, game development, and programming background, making a quality game in Ren'py and DAZ is, quite frankly, a slow-grinding nightmare at times, and without some puffed up company paying you by the hour, people like WillTylor and strenif have to do it purely for the love of what they're building. They should be lauded for their efforts and the sacrifice of their precious free time instead of reading complaints and the never-ending slew of "update???" questions from people just itching to rub out a quickie to new images of Sidney's sweet pixels.
If you really want to help, head over to SS, become a supporter, and join the rest of us patiently horny little proles in speculating on how long it's going to take before Lauren and Mandy convince the entire swim team to have a sapphic orgy in the school showers while Ryan rearranges Agent Diaz's uterus in the security van.
Generally my overdeveloped sense of snark would berate me into making some sort of long-winded, scathing commentary about how it's totally possible to survive off of $3k a month, but not many people would call that living when you've got a full family to support (and fate forbid anything like life happens in there, where you have to pay out of pocket to fix a car, have a medical expense, build a new Scrooge McDuck-like vault to keep all your excess cash and gold coins in, etc.), but I feel like the concept has been fairly well covered already. I don't exactly live an extravagant life, and I've only got little ol' me to support, but $3k/month is basically what it takes to keep a roof over my head, the lights on, and pay for all the stupid little monthly bills it takes to live in the US (phone, internet, various insurances, monthly dues to the fashion police so I'm still allowed to wear plaid, whatever). Not to mention my tragic addiction to eating enough to keep myself alive. If I could just kick that habit, I'd be living in the lap of luxury.
Right. Like I said, no long-winded whinging (yes, it's a word) about the cost of living versus the shoddy payouts that creative types get these days. As someone slowly transitioning into this kind of creative work myself, even coming from an art, writing, photography, game development, and programming background, making a quality game in Ren'py and DAZ is, quite frankly, a slow-grinding nightmare at times, and without some puffed up company paying you by the hour, people like WillTylor and strenif have to do it purely for the love of what they're building. They should be lauded for their efforts and the sacrifice of their precious free time instead of reading complaints and the never-ending slew of "update???" questions from people just itching to rub out a quickie to new images of Sidney's sweet pixels.
If you really want to help, head over to SS, become a supporter, and join the rest of us patiently horny little proles in speculating on how long it's going to take before Lauren and Mandy convince the entire swim team to have a sapphic orgy in the school showers while Ryan rearranges Agent Diaz's uterus in the security van.
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