Ren'Py A Family Venture [v0.09 V1 Beta] [WillTylor]

[fred9320]

Aww, maaaan...I take a few days away from home to go jab pretty doodles into peoples' tender, tender flesh in another town and I miss all of this delicious, petty drama? Rats.
Generally my overdeveloped sense of snark would berate me into making some sort of long-winded, scathing commentary about how it's totally possible to survive off of $3k a month, but not many people would call that living when you've got a full family to support (and fate forbid anything like life happens in there, where you have to pay out of pocket to fix a car, have a medical expense, build a new Scrooge McDuck-like vault to keep all your excess cash and gold coins in, etc.), but I feel like the concept has been fairly well covered already. I don't exactly live an extravagant life, and I've only got little ol' me to support, but $3k/month is basically what it takes to keep a roof over my head, the lights on, and pay for all the stupid little monthly bills it takes to live in the US (phone, internet, various insurances, monthly dues to the fashion police so I'm still allowed to wear plaid, whatever). Not to mention my tragic addiction to eating enough to keep myself alive. If I could just kick that habit, I'd be living in the lap of luxury.
Right. Like I said, no long-winded whinging (yes, it's a word) about the cost of living versus the shoddy payouts that creative types get these days. As someone slowly transitioning into this kind of creative work myself, even coming from an art, writing, photography, game development, and programming background, making a quality game in Ren'py and DAZ is, quite frankly, a slow-grinding nightmare at times, and without some puffed up company paying you by the hour, people like WillTylor and strenif have to do it purely for the love of what they're building. They should be lauded for their efforts and the sacrifice of their precious free time instead of reading complaints and the never-ending slew of "update???" questions from people just itching to rub out a quickie to new images of Sidney's sweet pixels.
If you really want to help, head over to SS, become a supporter, and join the rest of us patiently horny little proles in speculating on how long it's going to take before Lauren and Mandy convince the entire swim team to have a sapphic orgy in the school showers while Ryan rearranges Agent Diaz's uterus in the security van.

we need a new public update

 

[Sharpx23]

Are you really arguing that the creator should harden up and learn how to better live in poverty so us proles can get our porn game updates in a more timely fashion?

where did you get this imagined post by me.



All I said is people can live off 4k a month. I didn't even come and comment about the game, about development time, about anything else. My whole point I wanted to make is that 4k a month is doable. It didn't even have anything to do with what the devs actually earn on patreon since I was just talking about 4k a month as an income... not 4k as patreon earnings when patreon then takes a cut, and there are taxes applied so it ends up being less than 4k etc.

I don't care how long the devs take, I play other games in the meantime.

Yeah you can't live in extravagance with 4k, but most people who can't live on 4k are probably being really dumb with money. Eating out, buying a ton of shit, and owning 2-3 cars or otherwise leasing a car, and buying houses way over their means locked into mortgages. You can get by on 4k a month if you enjoy a minimalist life style and are single.

 

[doccop63]

Aww, maaaan...I take a few days away from home to go jab pretty doodles into peoples' tender, tender flesh in another town and I miss all of this delicious, petty drama? Rats.
Generally my overdeveloped sense of snark would berate me into making some sort of long-winded, scathing commentary about how it's totally possible to survive off of $3k a month, but not many people would call that living when you've got a full family to support (and fate forbid anything like life happens in there, where you have to pay out of pocket to fix a car, have a medical expense, build a new Scrooge McDuck-like vault to keep all your excess cash and gold coins in, etc.), but I feel like the concept has been fairly well covered already. I don't exactly live an extravagant life, and I've only got little ol' me to support, but $3k/month is basically what it takes to keep a roof over my head, the lights on, and pay for all the stupid little monthly bills it takes to live in the US (phone, internet, various insurances, monthly dues to the fashion police so I'm still allowed to wear plaid, whatever). Not to mention my tragic addiction to eating enough to keep myself alive. If I could just kick that habit, I'd be living in the lap of luxury.
Right. Like I said, no long-winded whinging (yes, it's a word) about the cost of living versus the shoddy payouts that creative types get these days. As someone slowly transitioning into this kind of creative work myself, even coming from an art, writing, photography, game development, and programming background, making a quality game in Ren'py and DAZ is, quite frankly, a slow-grinding nightmare at times, and without some puffed up company paying you by the hour, people like WillTylor and strenif have to do it purely for the love of what they're building. They should be lauded for their efforts and the sacrifice of their precious free time instead of reading complaints and the never-ending slew of "update???" questions from people just itching to rub out a quickie to new images of Sidney's sweet pixels.
If you really want to help, head over to SS, become a supporter, and join the rest of us patiently horny little proles in speculating on how long it's going to take before Lauren and Mandy convince the entire swim team to have a sapphic orgy in the school showers while Ryan rearranges Agent Diaz's uterus in the security van.

I understand what you're saying and believe me, even though You didn't say it, I'm NOT trying to bully a dev into doing anything. My statement was just a matter-of-fact comment, based on My life experience, that it's possible of living on a limited budget. I STILL do. With that being said, I do laud ALL of the devs and creative teams for what they do, ALL OF THE TIME! i've been accused of white-knighting plenty of times, not that Igas. I've Even made statements in this thread and others about my dabbling into DAZ. As I said then, I quit because the assests that I neeeded for what I wanted was beyond what my budget could sustain. I've switched to just writing the story that I wanted to illustrate. By no means was I trying to bully or coerce ANYONE. My statement was made to show that, although things are tough, you can get Through them, with patience and faith in your skills and some good planning.

 

[Handifap]

I understand what you're saying and believe me, even though You didn't say it, I'm NOT trying to bully a dev into doing anything. My statement was just a matter-of-fact comment, based on My life experience, that it's possible of living on a limited budget. I STILL do. With that being said, I do laud ALL of the devs and creative teams for what they do, ALL OF THE TIME! i've been accused of white-knighting plenty of times, not that Igas. I've Even made statements in this thread and others about my dabbling into DAZ. As I said then, I quit because the assests that I neeeded for what I wanted was beyond what my budget could sustain. I've switched to just writing the story that I wanted to illustrate. By no means was I trying to bully or coerce ANYONE. My statement was made to show that, although things are tough, you can get Through them, with patience and faith in your skills and some good planning.

I feel I must apologize for a misunderstanding or three. I wasn't trying to insinuate that you were attempting to bully the devs in any way, shape, or form. Nor was I attempting to disparage or cast aspersions on anyone's ability to live off of a limited budget. I, myself, am not exactly wallowing in the proverbial bed o' millions. But that, along with my own game development escapades does make me keenly aware of how much of a sacrifice is required to do this kind of work. It's not just about the monetary juggling, but the sheer time it takes away from family, friends, and a life not chained to the computer. This is not some uncontrollable hell that the devs have been forced into; it is a choice to make those sacrifices for the love of bringing something out of their minds and into the world. To share some lewd bit of fantastic daydreaming with other like-minded misfits such as myself. It really doesn't matter whether or not anyone thinks they can/can't/should/shouldn't get by on some speculative amount of income from the game. What matters is that WillTylor and strenif are willing to give up some of the precious little time we're all allotted in this life to create something that brings a smile, some laughter, and a suspiciously high tissue bill to thousands of absolute strangers. My personal feeling is that it's not much of a stretch for most people to support them in a way that not only shows our appreciation, but helps justify and ease the burden of lost time they have willingly taken upon themselves. Enough drops in a bucket can make for a surprisingly full bucket.

As for DAZ assets being beyond your budget, if you ever decide to dip your toes back into it, please do keep in mind that this is essentially a pirating site and there's a rather comprehensive asset release thread with a dedicated DAZ section. And if you can't find something there, search up Shadowcore or render-state for more assets. Between the three, you can find damn near everything that has ever been released on a paysite, and quite a few things that haven't.

Again, I apologize if my initial comment seemed personally combative in any way.

 

[SlowMotionBaby]

Damn Jeff. Anybody have any juicy previews to share?

 

[numanumani]

where did you get this imagined post by me.

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All I said is people can live off 4k a month. I didn't even come and comment about the game, about development time, about anything else. My whole point I wanted to make is that 4k a month is doable. It didn't even have anything to do with what the devs actually earn on patreon since I was just talking about 4k a month as an income... not 4k as patreon earnings when patreon then takes a cut, and there are taxes applied so it ends up being less than 4k etc.

I don't care how long the devs take, I play other games in the meantime.

Yeah you can't live in extravagance with 4k, but most people who can't live on 4k are probably being really dumb with money. Eating out, buying a ton of shit, and owning 2-3 cars or otherwise leasing a car, and buying houses way over their means locked into mortgages. You can get by on 4k a month if you enjoy a minimalist life style and are single.

As a comparison, Patreon's take goes up to around 20% when you add up the platform, payment processing, currency conversion and payout fees. Depending on where you live you'll owe income tax (often around 10-30%) on top of that and if you live somewhere with comparatively low income tax, your living fees are probably sky high when you add in things health insurance. Also highly dependant on where you live - rent costs.

 

[CutieLvr]

Would love to see mom and or sisters being forced to prostitute themselves, or it's something they decide to do in order to get more money. If they do it as a family effort, then the son can become their pimp. When the customers go home then they get together for family love. By some miracle the son is the only one to get the women pregnant, and they keep working even with baby bumps. Wow, what a fantasy.

 

[BigRedRadio]

Would love to see mom and or sisters being forced to prostitute themselves, or it's something they decide to do in order to get more money. If they do it as a family effort, then the son can become their pimp. When the customers go home then they get together for family love. By some miracle the son is the only one to get the women pregnant, and they keep working even with baby bumps. Wow, what a fantasy.

Yeah for you maybe, I'd absolutely want that optional

 

[doccop63]

I feel I must apologize for a misunderstanding or three. I wasn't trying to insinuate that you were attempting to bully the devs in any way, shape, or form. Nor was I attempting to disparage or cast aspersions on anyone's ability to live off of a limited budget. I, myself, am not exactly wallowing in the proverbial bed o' millions. But that, along with my own game development escapades does make me keenly aware of how much of a sacrifice is required to do this kind of work. It's not just about the monetary juggling, but the sheer time it takes away from family, friends, and a life not chained to the computer. This is not some uncontrollable hell that the devs have been forced into; it is a choice to make those sacrifices for the love of bringing something out of their minds and into the world. To share some lewd bit of fantastic daydreaming with other like-minded misfits such as myself. It really doesn't matter whether or not anyone thinks they can/can't/should/shouldn't get by on some speculative amount of income from the game. What matters is that WillTylor and strenif are willing to give up some of the precious little time we're all allotted in this life to create something that brings a smile, some laughter, and a suspiciously high tissue bill to thousands of absolute strangers. My personal feeling is that it's not much of a stretch for most people to support them in a way that not only shows our appreciation, but helps justify and ease the burden of lost time they have willingly taken upon themselves. Enough drops in a bucket can make for a surprisingly full bucket.

As for DAZ assets being beyond your budget, if you ever decide to dip your toes back into it, please do keep in mind that this is essentially a pirating site and there's a rather comprehensive asset release thread with a dedicated DAZ section. And if you can't find something there, search up Shadowcore or render-state for more assets. Between the three, you can find damn near everything that has ever been released on a paysite, and quite a few things that haven't.

Again, I apologize if my initial comment seemed personally combative in any way.

My comment about bullying wasn't meant for you but another person who commented several spots above you. As far as DAZ was concerned, my dabbling with it was before I discovered this forum. I've noted how other aspiring and established devs have given asset links to models, clothing, backgrounds, lighting, etc. I may just give it another try in the future but for now, I'm busy trying to finish my two stories that I'm currently writing.

 

[CutieLvr]

Am I doing something wrong, or is there a lot of grind in this game? Progress is so slow. I am on the NTR route. Sure hope our super lucky hero gets to knock up mom and the girls. That would be awesome, to see them with baby bumps.

 

[Handifap]

Am I doing something wrong, or is there a lot of grind in this game? Progress is so slow. I am on the NTR route.

Technically, there's a decent amount of grind, but you can speed things up quite a bit using the in-game cheat menu. Between that and the event hints, it's possible to move the story along pretty quickly.

 

[strenif]

Am I doing something wrong, or is there a lot of grind in this game? Progress is so slow. I am on the NTR route.

You're doing something wrong if you're grinding.
Make sure you are using the hints in the event tracker on Ryan's phone to see what to do next.

 

[BigRedRadio]

You're doing something wrong if you're grinding.
Make sure you are using the hints in the event tracker on Ryan's phone to see what to do next.

There's a lot of repetition of nothing much happens days to get to key times (thank the Dev for Skip mode) I realise some of that is my fault for the way I've paced event but you can end up with very grindy feeling sections

 

[strenif]

There's a lot of repetition of nothing much happens days to get to key times (thank the Dev for Skip mode) I realise some of that is my fault for the way I've paced event but you can end up with very grindy feeling sections

If we had it to do all over again, we'd add in some visual marker on the map for where new content is.
As it stands, the quest journal is how we direct players to where they need to go.

 

[BigRedRadio]

If we had it to do all over again, we'd add in some visual marker on the map for where new content is.
As it stands, the quest journal is how we direct players to where they need to go.

Yeah thats not so much the issue as I only have events I can progress Monday and Friday but that's just the order I did stuff in

 

[strenif]

Yeah thats not so much the issue as I only have events I can progress Monday and Friday but that's just the order I did stuff in

Ahh. Ya, that's always been an issue with sandbox-lite games.
As far back as big brother, you eventually get to the point where you are just skipping days to get to the right day and time to progress an event.

We're trying to limit that in .09 as much as possible by having a number of events ether roll out over multiple days, or have multiple repeatable outcomes. This way, during Cami's story, there's always going to be at least one thing you can progress every day.

But I totally get what you're saying.

 

[recca69]

I have hope that you will eventually be able to spy on your mother and aunt having some fun during their morning yoga.

 

[Ghost188]

Any news on the update?

 

[strenif]

Any news on the update?

We'll have a PoL out this week.

 

[strenif]

I have hope that you will eventually be able to spy on your mother and aunt having some fun during their morning yoga.

Oh, you'll get to do more then that.