Ren'Py A House in the Rift [v0.7.10b1] [Zanith]

[shitass1001]

What are people talking here??

since 2019 no one good screenshot from this game. Just standard models in small rooms with bad lighting.

There is certainly more to this game than the "standard models in small rooms with bad lighting".

The reason I like this game so much is because of the writing, mystery, comedy, characters, and the world building. If you haven't played this game, which I assume you haven't based on your message, then you wouldn't really understand why so many people like it.
I implore you to try this before you knock it, its well written, funny and overall very smart.

Also, to be fair to you, the renders in the OP post aren't the nicest ones from the game, it gets better over time.

 

[Simpgor]

This game feels like one of the most "overrated" on the site because the majority of 5 star reviews get 1 or 2 likes while one that gave it 3 stars got x10 that amount clearly more people looking at the reviews agree with the idea that this game is more middle of the road than the beacon of borderline perfection some claim (for whats its worth i tried this game but never got very far into it because it was constantly just talking to someone in the kitchen until the game decided it was time to do something else) thankfully i dont think I triggered any out of order events that are so common in sandbox games so that is a small plus I guess

 

[ryansFLYIN]

This game feels like one of the most "overrated" on the site because the majority of 5 star reviews get 1 or 2 likes while one that gave it 3 stars got x10 that amount clearly more people looking at the reviews agree with the idea that this game is more middle of the road than the beacon of borderline perfection some claim (for whats its worth i tried this game but never got very far into it because it was constantly just talking to someone in the kitchen until the game decided it was time to do something else) thankfully i dont think I triggered any out of order events that are so common in sandbox games so that is a small plus I guess

Couple hundred people gave it 5 stars, but the 20 or so in the "this is mid" circle-jerk are the one's to listen to. Right.

The most important part of a 5 star review are the stars itself. I don't think many people read the review as it's mostly just praise. The 5-star rating is enough to cover that - no need to actually read "good renders, good story, etc. etc."
The people who 'like' 1-3 star reviews are looking for common thinkers in their rationale to dislike this game. There are some, yes, in a sea of people who love this game. It's probably a lot of the same people looking for like-minded people who dislike certain aspects of the game, and look for validation that they're not alone in dislike what they dislike. Or maybe it's people who read the review, saw something they wouldn't like without playing the game, and liked that review as a way to save that person from something they wouldn't want to see. A "like" in this case being a "thanks for saving me from this thing that I don't like" without ever having played the game.

It's rated by people who thought it was worth their time to give it a rating. It is appropriately rated based on a consensus. It's okay to not like something. Obviously, most people who decided to review this game like it. They don't need to look for validation in the reviews, the overwhelming amount of 5 star reviews is enough to do that for them.

 

[Popadorus]

I've been playing this on android for some time now. What's all this hi-res, android launcher stuff? What do I download for the update?

 

[Simpgor]

Couple hundred people gave it 5 stars, but the 20 or so in the "this is mid" circle-jerk are the one's to listen to. Right.

Yeah and dozens of dozens of those reviews are for the most recent version right? (the verison a user would be playing) not for any updates that came in the last 4 years right? If people can dislike it for saving them time/validating their opinions why are people clearly not liking the positive reviews for proving that they have good taste in the same amount? clearly more people who like the game are in the review section right?

 

[shitass1001]

This game feels like one of the most "overrated" on the site because the majority of 5 star reviews get 1 or 2 likes while one that gave it 3 stars got x10 that amount clearly more people looking at the reviews agree with the idea that this game is more middle of the road than the beacon of borderline perfection some claim (for whats its worth i tried this game but never got very far into it because it was constantly just talking to someone in the kitchen until the game decided it was time to do something else) thankfully i dont think I triggered any out of order events that are so common in sandbox games so that is a small plus I guess

you haven't played the game and yet you think its overrated? I understand different people like different things, but how can you even know you wont like it without giving it a try? I know free roam style games aren't for everyone (myself included) but I think this game does a pretty good job implementing it.

To address your point about the rating systems I will posit my theory why the reviews who say the game is mid get more likes. someone (you for instance) say the game is middle of the road, so you go to the reviews section to validate your opinion, then when you see a review that validates your opinion, you like it. whereas someone who thinks the game is great, goes to the review section and sees tons of 5 star reviews and says "ok looks like a lot of people agree with me".

clearly more people who like the game are in the review section right?

not necessarily, I like this game and I don't spend time in the review section at all. I would say that a lot of people are like this, when you have an unpopular opinion, you tend to seek others out with the same opinion. When you have a popular opinion, most of the time, you dont feel the need to

 

[VSPRNX]

full save please

 

[Simpgor]

you haven't played the game and yet you think its overrated? I understand different people like different things, but how can you even know you wont like it without giving it a try? I know free roam style games aren't for everyone (myself included) but I think this game does a pretty good job implementing it.

"(for whats its worth i tried this game but never got very far into it because it was constantly just talking to someone in the kitchen until the game decided it was time to do something else)"

I got far enough in to see how the game would function and the overall writing quality (which at the part i played to I had no issue with), I know that the game progresses by introducing new people from their own worlds or whatever to the titualr "house in the rift" and I dont think any game has really implemented an actual sandbox well (name a single game that truly does not gate any events behind others) but going any further on this is more an issue with that type of game design and not this game in particular.

not necessarily, I like this game and I don't spend time in the review section at all. I would say that a lot of people are like this, when you have an unpopular opinion, you tend to seek others out with the same opinion. When you have a popular opinion, most of the time, you dont feel the need to

But people who are already in the review section and who leave high reviews dont like other reviews even if they are clearly well thought out and more than a paraphrase in length? I dont find that to be the case at all that people only like "unpopular opinion" reviews and you can go to many others games on the front page (by ranking) and see many reviews that are in line with the general consensus of that game that get more than 0-2 likes.

I guess its just pure happenstance that this specifics game review section ended up in such a way that you are correct no matter what right?

 

[Cartageno]

Yeah and dozens of dozens of those reviews are for the most recent version right? (the verison a user would be playing) not for any updates that came in the last 4 years right? If people can dislike it for saving them time/validating their opinions why are people clearly not liking the positive reviews for proving that they have good taste in the same amount? clearly more people who like the game are in the review section right?

The same (not recent ratings) goes for 1-3 star ratings and their likes, too.

I don't put much credit in the rating system here at all - tastes differ and this may be more important than the perceived quality of a major rating, as you say many ratings are outdated and may or may not have changed for the people giving them, people rate games for things they are not attempting to be or other stuff that they shouldn't rate it for like update frequency (not only my opinion but site rules say this shouldn't happen), and so forth. Thus unlike another poster I actually read ratings - some better ones, some worse ones, as long as they deliver detailed aspects and coherent arguments past "everything is great" or "everything sucks" to see how this would apply to me.

So we are in agreement that the plain average score cannot be the one to end all metric. However, some random derivation of them, not even properly executed I would guess, cannot be any better than the original data. Or did you comb through all ratings, added the absolute amount of likes for all 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 star ratings, calculated an average, corrected for people only liking 1 or 5 star ratings regardless of arguments? You compared it to the data from other games with similar ratings to ensure it isn't just a general thing of the review section? My guess is, and apologies if I am wrong: Nope, you are trying to apply some pseudo-mathematic gut rating to justify your position on this game as "middle of the road" - which it may be for you, no doubt about it, no problem with that - without even giving a proper reasoning by objective facts about the game itself which would make it worse than 5 stars.

In the end, ratings are an expression of taste. When I like a game, I like it, no matter what others think, and vice versa. There are some objectively bad things that can happen - bugs, missing renders - but that's it. There is no real way to say "this is objectively not a good but a middling game" whatsoever, and your method about "likes of ratings" certainly isn't in any way applicable to even remotely show popularity or lack thereof.

 

[Simpgor]

So we are in agreement that the plain average score cannot be the one to end all metric. However, some random derivation of them, not even properly executed I would guess, cannot be any better than the original data. Or did you comb through all ratings, added the absolute amount of likes for all 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 star ratings, calculated an average, corrected for people only liking 1 or 5 star ratings regardless of arguments? You compared it to the data from other games with similar ratings to ensure it isn't just a general thing of the review section? My guess is, and apologies if I am wrong: Nope, you are trying to apply some pseudo-mathematic gut rating to justify your position on this game as "middle of the road" - which it may be for you, no doubt about it, no problem with that - without even giving a proper reasoning by objective facts about the game itself which would make it worse than 5 stars.

Ill spin it around and ask: did you do any of the mathematics or data gathering? "My guess is, and apologies if I am wrong: Nope". I guess the person throwing mathematics terms to defend a game they like on a porn game piracy forum when I said nothing "pseudo-mathematic" (even more so in the post you quoted). In hopes that to prevent you from being a sesquipedalian (i can use academic verbiage as well) is auotmatically right but still I will type out exactly what the message you quoted means

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I understand why one would go for an appeal to logic vs an appeal to emotion (like shitass1001 did) but either you quoted the wrong post of mine (which hurts an argument relying on logic like yours) or you used unnecessarily verbose (for a porn piracy forum) verbiage for a reason I dont care to speculate on.

 

[shitass1001]

"(for whats its worth i tried this game but never got very far into it because it was constantly just talking to someone in the kitchen until the game decided it was time to do something else)"

I know you wrote this, but you are like a video game journalist, only playing a part of an experience and commenting on the entire thing. Yes other people who reviewed the game did the same thing, as it isnt completed yet. Which I can only assume is why a lot of people mention the version of the game that it was on when they wrote their review, or update it when a new update comes out.

But people who are already in the review section and who leave high reviews dont like other reviews even if they are clearly well thought out and more than a paraphrase in length?

Yeah, I dont see why not. Also in order to write a review, you dont actually have to go to the review section, you just click the stars at the top depending on what rating you want to give something and then you write your review and post it.

I guess its just pure happenstance that this specifics game review section ended up in such a way that you are correct no matter what right?

Not happenstance, I am always right 100% of the time
In all actuality, no, my opinion on this matter is definitely not the be all end all of opinions on this matter. But I do know that that this game is well liked, even if you don't like it, and using something as arbitrary as the F95 review section to base your opinion (or criticism) on something is downright silly. In the end, something being overrated is purely opinion and nothing more.

 

[doujinftw]

these are some fking abysmal updates.
jesus fkin christ they also fk up the sex scene with Naomi wtf with that lighting

luckily the licking scene still have the original lighting for comparison
the new what the fk remaster

 

[Simpgor]

Not happenstance, I am always right 100% of the time
In all actuality, no, my opinion on this matter is definitely not the be all end all of opinions on this matter. But I do know that that this game is well liked, even if you don't like it, and using something as arbitrary as the F95 review section to base your opinion (or criticism) on something is downright silly. In the end, something being overrated is purely opinion and nothing more.

Please point out where I said "I dont like this game". I even put quotes around the term "overrated" in my original post

Also if seeing something as overrated is just an opinion why am I being told to change it or being given numerical reasons as to why i am wrong (either being talked down to by a mathematician or being called a Game Journalist ).

I also do not base my opinion of the game by ratings like I said I quit the game because I was not a fan of the sandbox, I said that I think the game is "ONE OF THE MOST "OVERRATED"" and then pointed out that the most recent page of reviews could tell something similar (which is more relevant in games that go on for longer as " these are some fking abysmal updates. " type posts become more common as more people play update to update vs first seeing the game and playing years of updates at once)

Also to the people that dont rely on review scores at all do you check out those 1 star games? what if you really like them though?!?

Edit: to make it even more clear I downloaded this game over a year ago got 30-60 minutes in and quit. This was long before the most recent page of reviews was made and I dont think the reviews factored in beyond "this game is not 2 stars or below ill click the thread"

 

[Nothingman491]

I've been playing this on android for some time now. What's all this hi-res, android launcher stuff? What do I download for the update?

Download the launcher and install the apk. Then download either the hi rez or compressed version and place the rpa file in the "game" folder in ahitr_storage

 

[Kaos_Theory]

Anonfile, Mixdrop, Uploadheaven, Pixeldrain and Mega, but no Gofile?
I usually end up downloading through Anonfiles, due to the lack of Gofile

I just wish Anonfile wasn't so slow, but I guess beggars can't be choosers.

 

[Cartageno]

or you used unnecessarily verbose (for a porn piracy forum) verbiage for a reason I dont care to speculate on.

Nice insinuation by the way, but no need to speculate because I can just tell you

(a) I probably am verbose by nature
(b) more so when it comes to talking maths - I used to teach it and try to cover as many aspects as I can
(c) English is not my native language and when I do not find the correct expression for what I am trying to say, I have to take the longer explanation
(d) I certainly am not good enough to have different styles for different occasions like a porn piracy forum

Ill spin it around and ask: did you do any of the mathematics or data gathering? "My guess is, and apologies if I am wrong: Nope".

Nope, indeed. (You didn't answer my question by the way.) Fun thing for me is: I don't have to. You made a claim backed by some metric "clearly more people looking at the reviews agree with the idea that this game is more middle of the road than the beacon of borderline perfection some claim" - and now it is your job to show the numbers that substantiate that claim.

But I did a little bit of digging now and see what you mean. While no other of the last ratings had more than three likes, a 3 star rating from 12th Feb had 26, a 1 star rating from 24th Oct 2022 had 17. (By the way, the three star rating complains about this game being a sandbox which clearly is one of the tags, so that's already a breach of rules, the one star rating is "I don't like how the girls look, everything else is fine", which is neither one star in my book nor informative because you can tell how the girls look from the sample images on the first page, but let's ignore these quibbles, most of the 5 star ratings weren't any more useful as well). Which indeed is interesting. However, there is a huge overlap in those liking these two reviews, when you count the people who think "this game is overrated" and will even like a review that is worthless just for the rating, they are not a lot more than people who actually rated the game 5 stars in the same time period.

However, let's assume this "rating like" bias exists - is it a HITR thing or is it a general thing? I don't want to dig too deep into this thing, so I only looked at F.I.L.F. and Bad Memories (the games directly before and after HITR in terms of average rating, so I expect an at least somewhat similar distribution) how it is over there. Turns out, F.I.L.F. does have a very similar pattern (the few bad reviews get way more likes than the many good ones) while in Bad Memories there are hardly any review likes in either direction. So it seems it is not only HITR but more general - but not ubiquitous. Which leaves the question you were asking

If people who dislike the game and are in the review section (but not leaving reviews) but scrolling down past several postive ones to like the one the validates their opinion why are people who like the game not doing the same?

And I wouldn't know. Maybe ryansFLYIN was right when he said that people with a minority opinion are looking more for those who think alike. The number of people who are the same in liking "bad reviews" (from the limited sample size I have) seem to point a bit into that direction, but there's also one guy who used to be pretty regular at liking 5 stars, so there's that. Again, I don't know - but it seems that this is to a degree what's the case.

I guess the person throwing mathematics terms to defend a game they like on a porn game piracy forum when I said nothing "pseudo-mathematic" (even more so in the post you quoted).

(a) I am not defending the rating (as I said I don't put much value in it either), I am merely not convinced by your reasoning of why it would be wrong.
(b) When you cite numbers (people who agree with certain reviews) that's at least an appeal to maths.

Dozens of this games reviews were made before this update: If you need me to prove that 275 reviews were made before this update that released today you are arguing in bad faith

I never said you should prove reviews were older. (Unless I misphrased or you misread something in which case glad we got that settled.) I said you should prove what you said about like numbers of certain ratings.

More people in the review section clearly like the game: This is apparent by the positive reviews?

More people who reviewed the game like the game. This is apparent by the positive reviews. If you want to weigh reviews with the likes they got (let's always assume one like from the reviewer themselves) I didn't go deep enough into the data but maybe you'd like to?

Also if seeing something as overrated is just an opinion why am I being told to change it or being given numerical reasons as to why i am wrong (either being talked down to by a mathematician or being called a Game Journalist ).

If you just said "I think this game is overrated" that would be an opinion. However, you tried to argue with numbers, so you need to produce them. (And I did not say your opinion was wrong, I merely said that you should prove it if you start with citing numbers that these indeed exist).

Also to the people that dont rely on review scores at all do you check out those 1 star games? what if you really like them though?!?

Actually, in 1 star games I indeed read the reviews to see what is wrong, hoping that somebody explained it. More often than not these seem to suffer from very practical reasons like not working at all. If they don't and it's just "It's a sandbox! Not enough content yet! No harem planned!" and I like the blurb and the picture, I might indeed download them. I do the same with any game which "looks" good (so the story is intriguing or whatever) Whether I will ever get to try them is a different beast, there are only so many hours in a day and not all are reserved for gaming. But yeah, if I like them then that's fine because I have a game I like. Just as I stopped playing the best rated game on this site (Being A DIK) since it doesn't do anything for me.

 

[shitass1001]

Anonfile, Mixdrop, Uploadheaven, Pixeldrain and Mega, but no Gofile?
I usually end up downloading through Anonfiles, due to the lack of Gofile

I just wish Anonfile wasn't so slow, but I guess beggars can't be choosers.

Pixeldrain although limited is quite fast

 

[Kai jun]

Nice

 

[Simpgor]

if I like them then that's fine because I have a game I like. Just as I stopped playing the best rated game on this site (Being A DIK) since it doesn't do anything for me.

Im not going to read a dissertation on why you are always in the right about a game I dont care about but just for future reference that game is only first by amount of likes by RATING its in 3rd (has has been for most of the time the top 2 games have been out) if you are going to be so fact focused in your posts it helps to get them all correct

 

[Cartageno]

Im not going to read a dissertation on why you are always in the right about a game I dont care about but just for future reference that game is only first by amount of likes by RATING its in 3rd (has has been for most of the time the top 2 games have been out) if you are going to be so fact focused in your posts it helps to get them all correct

I admit that this is the case and I probably misclicked. I apologize for the mistake.

However if that is the only thing you have a problem with (and while you said you weren't reading it all, it is pretty near the end), then that's good I guess. Especially since this fact isn't important at all for the point I was making.

But your repeated claims of me being "fact focused" as a negative, combined with that you didn't provide a single one yourself, makes me think this discussion is useless, since you don't seem to care about them at all or relegate your points contradicting facts to mere opinions which shall not be challenged.