Ren'Py A House in the Rift [v0.7.14b1] [Zanith]

[Deleted member 4552948]

I for one wish more harem games did more with inter-harem relationships. After all, what better way is there for Naomi and Lyrial to get over their differences and bond than a little girl on girl fun? None I say!

Make it optional, let the MC get involved, I don't really care. Hope to see it at some point

Based.

 

[kinkybastard]

i wrote it before, and i happily write it again, this game is an actual gem
f95zone needs a new category "come for the porn, stay for the story!"
along with a few others this is one of my favourites on the site...

if i weren't unemployed and in debt i'd happily support Zanith with more then just some encouraging words...
but alas that will have to wait for a bit...

and now for everyones amusement a lame joke:

an elf, an orc and a dwarf walk into a house, and the resident succubus says:
"what is this supposed to be? some kind of freaky harem game?"

 

[Cartageno]

Never, I hope, if MC is not involved by instigating it. A game it´s not a movie or a novel. It's not even a Visual Novel. The player is not just a viewer. He takes decisions, so he must be involved mostly in everything that happens around him. The player is the MC, and it's called "Main Character" for something, after all. If not, where is the point? If the other characters are doing important things on their own in the house that MC (that means, the player) don't know (having sex, romances or whatever), you only make the MC a SC (Secondary Character AKA "doormat") in his own game, and also, look like an idiot that doesn't even know what is happening in his own house.

And, over all, be careful. Any form of NTR (lesbian or not), is a huge NO-NO for a lot of people, even if it's just hinted. If your idea is that there are no romantic feelings in this game and MC and the girls just like to have sex because of Rae's aura or whatever, and after leaving the house they are going to mostly forget about each others, you should make it 100% CLEAR.

But it seems that some characters are developing feelings for MC, being cute with him, cuddling with him, kissing him, actually caring for him... And MC (the player) could get fond of those characters. It's a role game after all, the point is the player forgets for a second it's just a fantasy and gets involved in the story and the characters... If it happens that the MC (that means, the player) for example, enters a room and sees the character he is fond of, having intimacy with another character, even a girl... you are going to kick a huge hornet's nets. A lot of games have gone shout for that.

If the main theme of a game is not NTR, jealousy, rejection and cheating and aren't aiming specifically to the fans of that kind of fetishes, intelligent devs don't go even 1000 miles close of those themes. Games like this one are not real life. Are fantasies, and most people don't like to feel any form of jealousy or rejection in their own fantasy. It's just a friendly warning.

Yes, he is the "Main Character". But he's not the only character. The main character does most things but not necessarily all things. He makes decisions only for himself. In all kinds of games, the MC is hindered or helped by decisions supporting characters make. I don't know of any story where the MC is the only one who does anything or decides anything and everything for everybody. And not having made all the decisions does not make anybody a "doormat" or similar - if you think that, you'll have problems in life.

And as for the "role playing game" (not in the "roll a D20 to see if you hit" sense but in the "walking in somebody else's shoes" meaning) I would find it quite tedious as well if nothing out of my control happens - good or bad.

That doesn't make your opinion invalid of course, but while sometimes read, you are completely blowing it out of proportion here IMO. And I say that as somebody who hates any kind of NTR (I use the old tag name intentionally, because it stands for all variations known to me).

 

[Cartageno]

By the way ...

Great, now you've opened the floodgate for NTR conspiracy nuts.

... called it!

 

[TigerWolfe]

By the way ...



... called it!

They're a pervasive lot...

 

[SonicBoom]

Yes, he is the "Main Character". But he's not the only character. The main character does most things but not necessarily all things. He makes decisions only for himself. In all kinds of games, the MC is hindered or helped by decisions supporting characters make. I don't know of any story where the MC is the only one who does anything or decides anything and everything for everybody. And not having made all the decisions does not make anybody a "doormat" or similar - if you think that, you'll have problems in life.

And as for the "role playing game" (not in the "roll a D20 to see if you hit" sense but in the "walking in somebody else's shoes" meaning) I would find it quite tedious as well if nothing out of my control happens - good or bad.

That doesn't make your opinion invalid of course, but while sometimes read, you are completely blowing it out of proportion here IMO. And I say that as somebody who hates any kind of NTR (I use the old tag name intentionally, because it stands for all variations known to me).

It seems that you are here for a long time. How many times has you seen that a dev of a popular game decides to make two Lis lesbians by surprise and have some kind of relationship that MC (the player) doesn't know, thinking "everybody likes two girls making out with each other in a porn game, so...", and fandom suddenly is pissed off? Rhetorical question, not need ot answer. I have seen it a lot of times. A lot of people hates Maya and Josy from BaDIK even if they like the game, and its the most popular game here. The same has happened recently with "sunshine love", from MrDots, another popular dev here. And now, this one is hinting that some of the Lis may be lesbians and having an affair that the MC is not aware of... I'm just making a friendly warning that is a dangerous move that easily can backfire. The same about making a character a prostitute or too slutty with others than MC, or bringing back ex-lovers, lesbian o no, by the way.

It doesn't matter when a game is just for a quick fap seeing digital tits, but if the dev is able to make the players care about the characters (mostly Rae, here), he should be really careful, because it's really easy to spoil a Li and piss of her fans. And this game is not for just fapping. Sex scenes animations are not even that kinky, it's mostly repetitive vanilla sex. I usually skip them fast after the first time. People likes this game because of the characters. Some of them at least, others are really bad and shouldn't even be there.

I know that after 4 years of development, the people that comments here are diehard fans of the game. The people that doesn't like or just think the game is "meh", left this thread years ago. And those people tends to defend the dev from any criticism no matter what. Hence the facepalms to my previous post. Until the dev makes a wrong move with a Li. Then, it's the opposite, love becomes hate, because, again, those are the hardcore fans. For example, people really, really hated DrPinkcake because of the ending of Acting Lessons, the most popular game here a few years ago. Not saying is going to happen something so extreme to ZanithOne. It's just an example. But a bad move with a beloved character can piss off a lot of players.

I'm not saying there is a serious problem right now. Again, just making a friendly warning. And that's all I have to say, I'm not going to continue this conversation because I'm just actually talking to one person: ZanithOne, that is active in this forum. If he thinks this opinion can be relevant and useful for him, great. If not, it's OK.

 

[Dragon59]

Never, I hope, if MC is not involved by instigating it. A game it´s not a movie or a novel. It's not even a Visual Novel. The player is not just a viewer. He takes decisions, so he must be involved mostly in everything that happens around him. The player is the MC, and it's called "Main Character" for something, after all. If not, where is the point? If the other characters are doing important things on their own in the house that MC (that means, the player) don't know (having sex, romances or whatever), you only make the MC a SC (Secondary Character AKA "doormat") in his own game, and also, look like an idiot that doesn't even know what is happening in his own house.

And, over all, be careful. Any form of NTR (lesbian or not), is a huge NO-NO for a lot of people, even if it's just hinted. If your idea is that there are no romantic feelings in this game and MC and the girls just like to have sex because of Rae's aura or whatever, and after leaving the house they are going to mostly forget about each others, you should make it 100% CLEAR.

But it seems that some characters are developing feelings for MC, being cute with him, cuddling with him, kissing him, actually caring for him... And MC (the player) could get fond of those characters. It's a role game after all, the point is the player forgets for a second it's just a fantasy and gets involved in the story and the characters... If it happens that the MC (that means, the player) for example, enters a room and sees the character he is fond of, having intimacy with another character, even a girl... you are going to kick a huge hornet's nets. A lot of games have gone shout for that.

If the main theme of a game is not NTR, jealousy, rejection and cheating and aren't aiming specifically to the fans of that kind of fetishes, intelligent devs don't go even 1000 miles close of those themes. Games like this one are not real life. Are fantasies, and most people don't like to feel any form of jealousy or rejection in their own fantasy. It's just a friendly warning.

For most of us, our egos (and life experiences) are strong enough that pretend lovers being lovers with another pretend person doesn't enrage us.

 

[Dragon59]

Yes, he is the "Main Character". But he's not the only character. The main character does most things but not necessarily all things. He makes decisions only for himself. In all kinds of games, the MC is hindered or helped by decisions supporting characters make. I don't know of any story where the MC is the only one who does anything or decides anything and everything for everybody. And not having made all the decisions does not make anybody a "doormat" or similar - if you think that, you'll have problems in life.

And as for the "role playing game" (not in the "roll a D20 to see if you hit" sense but in the "walking in somebody else's shoes" meaning) I would find it quite tedious as well if nothing out of my control happens - good or bad.

That doesn't make your opinion invalid of course, but while sometimes read, you are completely blowing it out of proportion here IMO. And I say that as somebody who hates any kind of NTR (I use the old tag name intentionally, because it stands for all variations known to me).

One thing for people to remember:
THE MC IS NOT YOU!

It seems that you are here for a long time. How many times has you seen that a dev of a popular game decides to make two Lis lesbians by surprise

Suddenly become lesbians?
Do they end their relationship with the MC?
If not, then I think the word you are looking for is "bisexuals."

I'm not saying there is a serious problem right now. Again, just making a friendly warning. And that's all I have to say, I'm not going to continue this conversation because I'm just actually talking to one person: ZanithOne, that is active in this forum. If he thinks this opinion can be relevant and useful for him, great. If not, it's OK.

I'm sure Zanith will give your opinion all the attention it deserves. By the way, are you a patron/subscriber?

EDIT: So strange. It seems that guys who choose names based upon ancient gods have the thinnest skin. I get a lot of facepalms by someone who named himself after the Celtic Horned God, too.

 

[SonicBoom]

For most of us, our egos (and life experiences) are strong enough that pretend lovers being lovers with another pretend person doesn't enrage us.

I'm talking about a game, not real life. I'm not extrapolating. You do. Porn games are fantasies and nobody wants to be cheated, have nasty surprises or put aside for another character in their own fantasies, the same way people who play Call of Duty want to save the day and not seeing how other characters do it. And yes, everybody knows that the player is not actually de MC. But when we play, we PRETEND to be the MC for a moment. It´s called roleplaying and suspension of disbelief. You play role games like if you were just an spectator of a movie or the reader of a novel? Good for you. But most people don't. Respect that.

But it doesn't matter. I'm not going to continue with this conversation, as I said. Specially since your tone is clearly passive aggressive (special emphasis on the aggressive part) and you are looking for a dispute. Actually, I'm going to block you, your opinions are not interesting enough for me.

 

[Cartageno]

How many times has you seen that a dev of a popular game decides to make two Lis lesbians by surprise and have some kind of relationship that MC (the player) doesn't know, thinking "everybody likes two girls making out with each other in a porn game, so...", and fandom suddenly is pissed off? Rhetorical question, not need ot answer. I have seen it a lot of times. A lot of people hates Maya and Josy from BaDIK even if they like the game, and its the most popular game here. The same has happened recently with "sunshine love", from MrDots, another popular dev here. And now, this one is hinting that some of the Lis may be lesbians and having an affair that the MC is not aware of... I'm just making a friendly warning that is a dangerous move that easily can backfire. The same about making a character a prostitute or too slutty with others than MC, or bringing back ex-lovers, lesbian o no, by the way.

Even though you said it is a rhetorical question: yes, it does happen quite often. In harem style games or when two LIs have known each other for some time before or some other connection. Yes, it always displeases some players - as by the way does every decision a dev makes. But so far I've seen a couple guys complaining and then the game moved on without any significant problems like massively dwindling patreon numbers.

Your two examples (BaDIK, Sunshine Love) I cannot really comment upon, since I found both uninteresting and stopped playing them - Sunshine Love I played long enough to at least review it, BaDIK not even that, it just didn't tickle my fancy. But as you say, both are massively popular games, so a lot of players, which will mean every opinion has a lot of voices supporting it and it can seem from reading a thread that it is a significant percentage. But when I look at the respective Patreon numbers for DrPinkCake and MrDots, they don't seem to have suffered in recent times, business as usual.

And we are discussing all that without even knowing what actually is planned or not. Somebody jokes about "who knows what the gals are doing when you're not looking" and suddenly it's armageddon day for HITR?

 

[Cartageno]

One thing for people to remember:
THE MC IS NOT YOU!

Slight disagreement here. I mean, technically you are correct of course. But while some people read an AVN/play an adult game like they would read a book or watch a movie, i. e. as an outsider watching the action, even if it is told from the protagonist's view, some like to put themselves into the shoes of the protagonist and empathize with him enough so that what is done to MC is done to me. Well, in a manner of speaking, when MC gets shot I don't start bleeding, so yeah, it is a difference and it is fiction, and similar things happen in other fictional stories where we get unhappy and have to roll with it or stop leaving (the most beloved character turns traitor or stuff). But in as far as such a fictional story goes, MC "is" me then.

 

[Abcdefinition]

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Why the devs did not put the scene of Halloween dreamer+ from galleries?

Wdym?

mb my english is not good

i was wondering when are you gonna update the galleries? the Halloween scene from dreamer pro plus is missing from gallery scene

 

[Man_0f_Culture]

must....breed.....Lyriel.....in the kitchen.....

 

[Biscardone]

I'm not saying there is a serious problem right now. Again, just making a friendly warning. And that's all I have to say, I'm not going to continue this conversation because I'm just actually talking to one person: ZanithOne, that is active in this forum. If he thinks this opinion can be relevant and useful for him, great. If not, it's OK.

I'm not trying to kick a hornet's nest, or to attack you personally... But it's a bit silly to write on a public forum and expect no reactions from other people. If you need to express your opinion for Zanith's eyes only, feel free to message him privately.

As for the rest, it's evident you don't like the idea of the other LIs to have sexy fun with each other, because you consider it a betrayal towards the MC. It's your opinion, and it is as valid as anyone else's. Only, hiding behind "it's problematic", "it's cheating" and "most people don't like that" is not very honest. I'm quite sure most of the players wouldn't have any problem with it, only the ones who extend the NTR definition way beyond the original scope.

Also, "be careful" and "a friendly reminder" are practically Corleone-grade mob speak.

 

[SonicBoom]

I'm not trying to kick a hornet's nest, or to attack you personally... But it's a bit silly to write on a public forum and expect no reactions from other people. If you need to express your opinion for Zanith's eyes only, feel free to message him privately.

As for the rest, it's evident you don't like the idea of the other LIs to have sexy fun with each other, because you consider it a betrayal towards the MC. It's your opinion, and it is as valid as anyone else's. Only, hiding behind "it's problematic", "it's cheating" and "most people don't like that" is not very honest. I'm quite sure most of the players wouldn't have any problem with it, only the ones who extend the NTR definition way beyond the original scope.

Also, "be careful" and "a friendly reminder" are practically Corleone-grade mob speak.

As I said, I'm not interested in continuing this debate, because I have seen already this kind of debates and I know it ends up escalating and with the mods deleting all the post. I have said what I wanted to say, and I don't even read other post about it. But by chance I have read your last line, and I must say it's absurd. Do you think I'm threatening ZanithOne? Really? Friendly warning means exactly that: FRIENDLY. Be careful means exactly that: be careful, because a lot of games has gone south and have had big problems with the fandom when the dev has introduced themes even slightly related with NTR, and I don't want that for a game that I mostly like and a dev that seems to be a good guy that interacts here. It was crystal clear in my posts, that are also written in a polite general tone, but apparently some people lack of reading skills or have a malicious mind.

Corleone-grade mob speak? What you say is insulting-grade, that's for sure. And I don't like to be insulted, so I'm going to block you.

 

[Cartageno]

As I said, I'm not interested in continuing this debate, because I have seen already this kind of debates and I know it ends up escalating and with the mods deleting all the post. I have said what I wanted to say, and I don't even read other post about it. But by chance I have read your last line, and I must say it's absurd. Do you think I'm threatening ZanithOne? Really? Friendly warning means exactly that: FRIENDLY. Be careful means exactly that: be careful, because a lot of games has gone south and have had big problems with the fandom when the dev has introduced themes even slightly related with NTR, and I don't want that for a game that I mostly like and a dev that seems to be a good guy that interacts here. It was crystal clear in my posts, that are also written in a polite general tone, but apparently some people lack of reading skills or have a malicious mind.

Corleone-grade mob speak? What you say is insulting-grade, that's for sure. And I don't like to be insulted, so I'm going to block you.

I mean, you might not have intended for it sounding that way, but I will second Biscardone on this. The way you are phrasing it really has a flavor of "What a nice game you have here, wouldn't it be a shame if something happened to it?" for me too.

 

[Biscardone]

I mean, you might not have intended for it sounding that way, but I will second Biscardone on this. The way you are phrasing it really has a flavor of "What a nice game you have here, wouldn't it be a shame if something happened to it?" for me too.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought the phrasing and tone was slightly off. And I know I'm preaching to the choir at this point, but it's evident I wasn't implying that Zanith was being menaced directly - that would be absurd, unless you believe Videodrome is real. However, any variation of "watch out, if you go this way you will alienate your patrons and lose your revenue" isn't much better, in my opinion.

For the sake of discussion, I'll also add that as far as I know at this point of the development none of the girls have ever made any claim of exclusivity, either between them and the MC or each other - unless I've missed some dialogue. In general, AHITR has a very laid back tone, and jealousy is overall kept to a minimum - at least in the game. That's why, given the premise, I find odd people could ever sound the betrayal alarm at the mere thought of the girls doing some "experimentation" with each other.

 

[drifter139]

Glad I'm not the only one who thought the phrasing and tone was slightly off. And I know I'm preaching to the choir at this point, but it's evident I wasn't implying that Zanith was being menaced directly - that would be absurd, unless you believe Videodrome is real. However, any variation of "watch out, if you go this way you will alienate your patrons and lose your revenue" isn't much better, in my opinion.

For the sake of discussion, I'll also add that as far as I know at this point of the development none of the girls have ever made any claim of exclusivity, either between them and the MC or each other - unless I've missed some dialogue. In general, AHITR has a very laid back tone, and jealousy is overall kept to a minimum - at least in the game. That's why, given the premise, I find odd people could ever sound the betrayal alarm at the mere thought of the girls doing some "experimentation" with each other.

you aren't the only one who found the phrasing weird. it honestly sounded like a thinly veiled threat. but given the guy doesn't know where Zanith lives, it's not like he could do anything apart from review bomb the game while shaking his fist like an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn

 

[Dragon59]

Slight disagreement here. I mean, technically you are correct of course. But while some people read an AVN/play an adult game like they would read a book or watch a movie, i. e. as an outsider watching the action, even if it is told from the protagonist's view, some like to put themselves into the shoes of the protagonist and emphasize with him enough so that what is done to MC is done to me. Well, in a manner of speaking, when MC gets shot I don't start bleeding, so yeah, it is a difference and it is fiction, and similar things happen in other fictional stories where we get unhappy and have to roll with it or stop leaving (the most beloved character turns traitor or stuff). But in as far as such a fictional story goes, MC "is" me then.

Remember, I was posting in the context of people who take immersion to an unhealthy level. Some people here take the stories far to personally, IMHO.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought the phrasing and tone was slightly off. And I know I'm preaching to the choir at this point, but it's evident I wasn't implying that Zanith was being menaced directly - that would be absurd, unless you believe Videodrome is real. However, any variation of "watch out, if you go this way you will alienate your patrons and lose your revenue" isn't much better, in my opinion.

For the sake of discussion, I'll also add that as far as I know at this point of the development none of the girls have ever made any claim of exclusivity, either between them and the MC or each other - unless I've missed some dialogue. In general, AHITR has a very laid back tone, and jealousy is overall kept to a minimum - at least in the game. That's why, given the premise, I find odd people could ever sound the betrayal alarm at the mere thought of the girls doing some "experimentation" with each other.

Definitely the wording landed like a veiled threat.

 

[kanuan69]

First time trying to see what Zanith post in twitter and i see a casting couch "video" instead of dev logs or how they are doing, it was a good surprise not gonna lie.