VN Ren'Py A.L.I History [Ch.4] [Bychipi]

[Crimsonfiend76]

With the last one I get the feeling that you didn't play chapter 3, if you didn't play it, don't close the game when the message appears that it's the end of chapter 2.

Yeah, when I first wrote that post, it was right after John found out about the affair, and then later Monica's 2 proposals to him that were worthless since they were just a bluff anyway as she never had any intention of leaving him.

I find it funny that despite how much of an alpha the MC thinks he is... he is literally allowing Monica to dictate the terms of their relationship and even lets her willingly manipulate him into getting what she wants as the best of both worlds. It's insane and inconceivable she still loves John to the extent of wanting to remain married to him despite reiterating over and over the MC is the love of her life and she will never love another man the way she loves him... and yet she seemingly has the MC wrapped around her finger since now she tricked him into finding a woman for John (MC cucking himself as that's one less woman in his harem) just so the MC can continue fucking Monica.

As it stands right now, I just got to the start of chapter 3 and I am more than slightly confused. Unless you intentionally left us a red herring when first bringing up how the MC has 3 kids, twin boys and a daughter, and later introduced conversations with Eva and how clingy she has always been towards the MC.

Also, I find it funny that once again the MC allows the LI to dictate the terms of the relationship when Kira admitted she refused to share the MC and he basically confirmed that they wouldn't work out and that he didn't love her. Uh.. ok, that's way too soon to say what kind of feelings he has for her, but definitely it's silly he changes his mind and agrees to be her [monogamous] boyfriend, even though we know he has no interest in that whatsoever... and why does he change his mind? Just to take her virginity is the only rational yet unbelievable stupid idea I can come up with, second only to offering that stupid proposal to Azumy and thinking it was a seriously good idea.

I admit maybe this will be addressed later, but how is it Lisa got pregnant a second time? ....but then you had the MC mention him and Lisa "met a very special person who was friends with their kids", and given her bad home situation, she was eventually adopted by the MC and Lisa. Am I missing something here? So we get fakecest bait and a mystery pregnancy?

Spoiler: New wincest theory

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[Assassin_Prime]

Yes, they put that label on him when I didn't put it on him.

The tag is correct, because MC is basically sharing Monica with her husband (or the other way around). I get that you wanted a relationship with a married woman, but the messed-up part is this: Monica and MC were together before, then she left him and married another man. Now you bring her back, but she’s just a side woman, not a main love interest, even though she has more content than any other woman. On top of that, she’s still with her husband, refuses to leave him, and still wants MC and her husband at the same time.

And then there’s the MC, he’s written as someone who only claims women if he takes their virginity, but here he’s fine with sharing Monica with her husband? How does that even make sense?

That’s why the swinging tag sticks, whether you put it there or not.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

The tag is correct, because MC is basically sharing Monica with her husband (or the other way around). I get that you wanted a relationship with a married woman, but the messed-up part is this: Monica and MC were together before, then she left him and married another man. Now you bring her back, but she’s just a side woman, not a main love interest, even though she has more content than any other woman. On top of that, she’s still with her husband, refuses to leave him, and still wants MC and her husband at the same time.

And then there’s the MC, he’s written as someone who only claims women if he takes their virginity, but here he’s fine with sharing Monica with her husband? How does that even make sense?

That’s why the swinging tag sticks, whether you put it there or not.

That aforementioned premise causes the story to sink like a stone in water.

On the other hand, the fact that Monica, who was pregnant with the child of the MC, left without telling him and then married another man doesn't make her a very appealing character in the eyes of many. But making her not one of the main LIs because of... (let's leave it at that), and forcing players to share her with her husband is basically a move that can be considered anything but clever. In fact, the story has many flaws.

 

[Assassin_Prime]

That aforementioned premise causes the story to sink like a stone in water.

On the other hand, the fact that Monica, who was pregnant with the child of the MC, left without telling him and then married another man doesn't make her a very appealing character in the eyes of many. But making her not one of the main LIs because of... (let's leave it at that), and forcing players to share her with her husband is basically a move that can be considered anything but clever. In fact, the story has many flaws.

Exactly this. It’s not even about realism, it’s about how it plays out in the story. Monica’s setup kills her appeal, and then forcing the MC to share her just makes it worse.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I decided to see what the game was like, and honestly, it's even worse than I imagined.

At the point I've reached, the MC has agreed to Monica's despicable proposal, including finding a girlfriend for her husband... all just to have sex with her, because there's absolutely no romance involved. It would have been better to just make her a prostitute and have the MC hire her occasionally; while that would be just as bad, at least you avoid the pointless conversations, the drama and the embarrassment of having to find a girlfriend for her husband. Then there's the party where you're supposed to meet the potential boyfriend of the only single girl in the entire game, and the boyfriends of the girls who could have been LIs, but aren't anymore due to the stupid conditions the MC has set. At this rate, the MC's harem will consist of just him and his two hands, because we're going to run out of potential LIs. At this point, I'm not sure I want to keep skipping Monica's scenes (which, from what I've seen, make up at least half of the game, which, for someone who isn't a LI, I consider way too much). The truth is, I'm not very motivated to see what happens at the party.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Well, I've kept playing (I skipped the party, which was incredibly boring) and I've reached the point where this absurd system for recruiting girls appears... for what, exactly? I'm not sure. The system is about as romantic as going to a criminal lawyer to ask how to dispose of a body, including signing some paperwork. Anyway, there's this girl the MC tries to manipulate into leaving her boyfriend and moving in with him, but he can't suggest that Monica leave her husband and move in with him (hopefully without having to sign any ridiculous contract) because... I guess because he's an idiot; I can't think of any other explanation.

Besides, the whole premise is that the MC becomes the girl's sugar daddy (as I said, utterly unromantic), and she has to break up with her boyfriend and move in with him. And we were just talking about prostitutes, well, they're here, they arrive. I thought the game couldn't get any worse, but oh boy, it does, and it's quite an achievement, really.

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

I decided to see what the game was like, and honestly, it's even worse than I imagined.

At the point I've reached, the MC has agreed to Monica's despicable proposal, including finding a girlfriend for her husband... all just to have sex with her, because there's absolutely no romance involved. It would have been better to just make her a prostitute and have the MC hire her occasionally; while that would be just as bad, at least you avoid the pointless conversations, the drama and the embarrassment of having to find a girlfriend for her husband. Then there's the party where you're supposed to meet the potential boyfriend of the only single girl in the entire game, and the boyfriends of the girls who could have been LIs, but aren't anymore due to the stupid conditions the MC has set. At this rate, the MC's harem will consist of just him and his two hands, because we're going to run out of potential LIs. At this point, I'm not sure I want to keep skipping Monica's scenes (which, from what I've seen, make up at least half of the game, which, for someone who isn't a LI, I consider way too much). The truth is, I'm not very motivated to see what happens at the party.

Well I just finished it... and there's a method to the dev's madness. Not that I agree with it and I definitely don't like it, but I was kinda right with my own theory on the wincest LI, right girl... different backstory.

I still don't get the harem tag... 2 women don't make up a harem. Then there is the idiotic rule the MC can only be with virgins, that he'll fuck other girls who aren't virgins, but he only views them as sidepiece cumdumps with no real investment into adding them to his hypothetical harem. Instead he apparently gets off on humiliating their boyfriends/husbands by banging their women.

I don't like all the lying with the intent to mislead for no real good reason... from mostly Monica, but also to a lesser extent with Kira.

Spoiler: **Spoilers** My Impressions So Far

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[Lynava]

7. Lastly, the whole arrangement with Azumy is just handled all wrong. It sucks that she isn't a virgin, but sucks more that the MC's stupid 'code' prevents him from wanting to add her to his 'harem'. I get that Sony was an annoyingly lucky piece of shit to pull her in the first place, but I hated how her path was being handled. It would have been preferable to have the MC muse about how to get even with Sony, do a solid for Kira & Azumy by offering to sponsor her education and lodging just so she can chase her dreams and be close to Kira, and lastly, try to seduce/romance Azumy away from Sony and add her to his harem - win, win, win. Instead we got a creepy sugar daddy proposal from the MC. effectively turning Azumy into a whore/escort all for his entertainment.

Wait, she's not a virgin? I don't remember her saying that...

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

Wait, she's not a virgin? I don't remember her saying that...

It's mentioned at the boring party during the beer pong game that everyone but her boyfriend was disappointed and surprised she spread her legs for literally the first guy that approached her. Later on, during the sugar daddy proposal, it's hinted that she isn't a virgin when the MC demands she deny sex from Sony, and she claims she can't do that... he's her boyfriend and it's his right to expect sex from his girlfriend.

 

[Lynava]

It's mentioned at the boring party during the beer pong game that everyone but her boyfriend was disappointed and surprised she spread her legs for literally the first guy that approached her. Later on, during the sugar daddy proposal, it's hinted that she isn't a virgin when the MC demands she deny sex from Sony, and she claims she can't do that... he's her boyfriend and it's his right to expect sex from his girlfriend.

Oh yeah, I remembered... I almost forgot everything after the cliffhanger with Kira's

 

[Lynava]

To be honest, for some reason I thought that the “son” would turn out to be Mira’s boyfriend, I just liked him as a character.

 

[bigfuckinE]

It must be so tiring to drive that car around in reverse all the time

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Well I just finished it... and there's a method to the dev's madness. Not that I agree with it and I definitely don't like it, but I was kinda right with my own theory on the wincest LI, right girl... different backstory.

I still don't get the harem tag... 2 women don't make up a harem. Then there is the idiotic rule the MC can only be with virgins, that he'll fuck other girls who aren't virgins, but he only views them as sidepiece cumdumps with no real investment into adding them to his hypothetical harem. Instead he apparently gets off on humiliating their boyfriends/husbands by banging their women.

I don't like all the lying with the intent to mislead for no real good reason... from mostly Monica, but also to a lesser extent with Kira.

Spoiler: **Spoilers** My Impressions So Far

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In just two chapters, it becomes clear that the stupid coding of the MC only ruins the game. Without it, the game would work much better, in fact, it would actually work, which isn't the case now.

It's mentioned at the boring party during the beer pong game that everyone but her boyfriend was disappointed and surprised she spread her legs for literally the first guy that approached her. Later on, during the sugar daddy proposal, it's hinted that she isn't a virgin when the MC demands she deny sex from Sony, and she claims she can't do that... he's her boyfriend and it's his right to expect sex from his girlfriend.

I can't really talk about the party because at a certain point I resorted to using CTRL to keep myself from falling asleep while reading. But in the initial proposal, at least on the first day, they don't mention it... I guess it will come up when she accepts and the MC puts forward his conditions. And if all of this is just to get revenge for a comment made by Azumi's boyfriend (as it seems to be, judging by what the MC thinks later), and he doesn't actually intend to include her in his harem, then it just makes the MC even more despicable than he was to begin with. At this point, I think the game is in free fall.

What's certain is that the game doesn't have a harem or romance elements. But it does have prostitution and sharing (and both are handled horribly, in what's probably one of the worst ways I've ever seen in a game).

 

[Lynava]

But it does have prostitution and sharing (and both are handled horribly, in what's probably one of the worst ways I've ever seen in a game).

She was more of a kept woman than a whore.

 

[Juerhullycin]

Well I just finished it... and there's a method to the dev's madness. Not that I agree with it and I definitely don't like it, but I was kinda right with my own theory on the wincest LI, right girl... different backstory.

I still don't get the harem tag... 2 women don't make up a harem. Then there is the idiotic rule the MC can only be with virgins, that he'll fuck other girls who aren't virgins, but he only views them as sidepiece cumdumps with no real investment into adding them to his hypothetical harem. Instead he apparently gets off on humiliating their boyfriends/husbands by banging their women.

I don't like all the lying with the intent to mislead for no real good reason... from mostly Monica, but also to a lesser extent with Kira.

Spoiler: **Spoilers** My Impressions So Far

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The problem is you are searching for a clear through line in a story which was conceptualised either a) with ChatGPT and a random number generator or b) 100 monkeys with typewriters.

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

The problem is you are searching for a clear through line in a story which was conceptualised either a) with ChatGPT and a random number generator or b) 100 monkeys with typewriters.

Clearly, since a much better way to devise a more logical and less problematic premise would have entailed:

-The MC still grieving over the loss of his wife finds comfort in the arms of his old flame who happens to be single as she never found a man worthy or comparable to the MC and didn't want to settle.
-The reveal of a secret daughter from said former girlfriend [Monica] would then create an interesting dynamic where both daughters start off as rivals for their dad's love and attention...
- Azumy & Maria are also single, unless Maria is never meant to join the harem and instead prefers to be a kept woman and propose the MC be her sugar daddy.

The story then plays out where we see the MC navigate his way maintaining his second chance at love with Monica while also now having Kira and Eva to add to his wincest harem along with Azumy and possibly Maria.

How is this that hard to incorporate without all the lies and subterfuge?

 

[YogSothoth1982]

She was more of a kept woman than a whore.

He'll pay for her college tuition and her whims in exchange for sex; in my book, that's prostitution.

As far as I've gotten in the game, there's an ex-girlfriend who ran off with the MC's unborn child (son or daughter) and is still in love with him. She got married and now has an open relationship with her husband (as long as the MC gets him a girlfriend, which could very well be Azumi, given how things are developing) so she can have sex with the MC, and nothing more than sex—no romance, just sex (interesting, in a bad way, for a harem game). She's not supposed to be part of the MC's harem; they both say they love each other, they want to be together, but the MC has a stupid rule from when he was young and he's going to die by it (that's personal growth, and everything else is nonsense; stand firm on your stupid rules and compromise on what's important, that's how you succeed). And that's despite the fact that only a stupid virgin or a religious fanatic would consider it appropriate. And the MC is an adult, and apparently intelligent (only apparently). Brilliant.

Then the MC wants to start a relationship (which is basically prostitution, whatever anyone says) with another girl, who also won't be part of the harem (at this point, you wonder if the harem even exists). One can only marvel at how things have gotten to this point, and then wonder how much lower they can possibly fall before hitting rock bottom.

Then there's the girl who is clearly Monica's daughter (I'm not sure, but to me it's clear she is from the beginning of the game) and the MC, and the reason why incest will happen in this game at some point (and with it the real possibility of being kicked off Patreon). But if there's any logic in the game, the moment she finds out about the agreement between Azumi and the MC (which she will definitely find out) she should tell the MC to fuck off and leave him. And I'm simply following the game's logic to reach such a conclusion. It won't happen for some reason just as stupid as the MC's self-imposed rule.

Finally, there's the last girl about whom I don't really know what to say, except that her story will probably be as disappointing as the others, unless there's a major surprise.

Monica and Azumi's relationships with the MC just add unnecessary lost of time to the game. Either make them actual romance options and include them in the harem, or the developer is simply wasting time on them that could be spent on other characters who will actually be part of the harem.

Clearly, since a much better way to devise a more logical and less problematic premise would have entailed:

-The MC still grieving over the loss of his wife finds comfort in the arms of his old flame who happens to be single as she never found a man worthy or comparable to the MC and didn't want to settle.
-The reveal of a secret daughter from said former girlfriend [Monica] would then create an interesting dynamic where both daughters start off as rivals for their dad's love and attention...
- Azumy & Maria are also single, unless Maria is never meant to join the harem and instead prefers to be a kept woman and propose the MC be her sugar daddy.

The story then plays out where we see the MC navigate his way maintaining his second chance at love with Monica while also now having Kira and Eva to add to his wincest harem along with Azumy and possibly Maria.

How is this that hard to incorporate without all the lies and subterfuge?

My goodness, that would make the game entertaining and playable; what audacity!

 

[Lynava]

He'll pay for her college tuition and her whims in exchange for sex

But this is literally a description of a kept woman.

 

[Mrsexoo3]

But this is literally a description of a kept woman.

That's an old-fashioned term that could involve a romantic relationship as well, MC just sees it as sex with a "tainted" slut.

Soooooo she is getting money (basically) and giving sex, she is a prostitute, whore, or escort.

Prostitution, that's another tag missing from the game, since I see the swinging tag was removed. Even though Monica and MC are involved in a swinging relationship.
And isn't the MC, for some absolutely retarded reason, going to find a gf for Monica's husband? A married couple who fuck other people are not swingers.....

Now, on top of wasting time on Monica for most of the game, more time will be wasted on the prostitute and even more time on the other whore that would accept fucking that loser husband, which I'm sure the MC will also want to fuck for some, again, RETARDED reason.

Why would any woman want to be in this dipshit's harem anyway? Specially a virgin one, since he goes around fucking women that have other sexual partners, that's a great way to get STDs.

I think the "only virgins" bs is just cope for MC's (and the dev's) true fetishes: sloppy seconds and swinging/sharing. It's like the dude can't get it up if there's not another dude involved in one way or another.

 

[Raziel_8]

But this is literally a description of a kept woman.

Sex for financial or material compensation is also the literal definition of prostitution.
Considering a kept woman is a bit off a dated term, usually kinda synonymus with a mistress and extramarital affair for which the woman receives money...well see above just she's only with one guy, for a longer term, also sounds much nicer.

Depending on the situation, when the man was very rich, or of higher class, it was also possible the man married out of obligation (family, status etc) and the mistress was the one he actually loved and provided for. (clearly not the case here)