VN Ren'Py A Life Worth Living [Ch. 5.5 Fix Public] [FiTB_Games]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

simarimas Notwithstanding my negativity for those with *ahem* differing preferences, I want to commend you for leaning into the hotwife stuff in Mary's scenes over the last update - especially things like the webcam event.

While swinging games are a rare genre on the site, arguably even rarer are hotwife games where the couple is still fully functional and there's no relationship strife. This might just be the first to tread the ground of hotwife scenes with intense sex and mild teasing with NO spillover into the emotional side of the relationship outside sex.

 

[simarimas]

I'm sure you guys are aware that this place is populated with a predominant mindset that men can cheat all they want and there is nothing whatsoever wrong with it. But for their woman/women to even be in the same room with an unattached male is a sin punishable by quartering.

Is she going too far? Maybe so, maybe no. People do unpredictable things when emotionally wounded. I don't think most people would react as she does...most would just walk away. But some would and do. The question then becomes...is the effort to mend worth it?

Keep up the good work. There's way, WAY too many stories on this site with repetitive and predictable outcomes. Be different.

Thank you! We may not always do things differently, but we are trying to have a fresh take on some of it.

And I personally have known women who would do the exact thing Mary is doing in these situations. Spiteful bitches to be sure, but not unheard of. The one thing that may be different in our story, is that it may or may not be worth the effort. That could all come down to how you, the player, see it.

 

[simarimas]

simarimas Notwithstanding my negativity for those with *ahem* differing preferences, I want to commend you for leaning into the hotwife stuff in Mary's scenes over the last update - especially things like the webcam event.

While swinging games are a rare genre on the site, arguably even rarer are hotwife games where the couple is still fully functional and there's no relationship strife. This might just be the first to tread the ground of hotwife scenes with intense sex and mild teasing with NO spillover into the emotional side of the relationship outside sex.

Thanks for saying so. We view the hotwife as sex, like the swinging. It isn't emotional, at least as far as an attachment to the other guy, but is sexually stimulating, and exciting for Mary and Fred. I know some games turn hotwife into the Netorare scenario, but we didn't want to do that. That is what the cheating path is for, which I know you understand, just saying.

 

[alyssssssssss]

We have a story we are telling, and the story needs to get to a point, before we have the option of the couple breaking up. Once we get to that point, then there will be choices to make to see how the couple goes forward.

Yes, it is harsh at some points, but that is Netorare, which the cheating path is. It is done to make the MC jealous, and she is doing it for that reason.

ok, about many things you say, but maybe the behavior while doing it is not the best, then I didn't justify Fred, I found the bad way in which Mary takes revenge, she must really hurt him and humiliate him, Fred makes a mistake, but Mary oversteps the good taste of revenge.

 

[simarimas]

ok, about many things you say, but maybe the behavior while doing it is not the best, then I didn't justify Fred, I found the bad way in which Mary takes revenge, she must really hurt him and humiliate him, Fred makes a mistake, but Mary oversteps the good taste of revenge.

I will not disagree with you here. She is being very harsh in her revenge, and perhaps she feels it is justified, as he has shown little, if no, remorse, to her view of it. And while it may seem over the top, and overstepping on her part, we wrote it like that on purpose. (Again, this is the Netorare path, and we wrote these scenes for that reason. She is cucking Fred, and doing it to make him jealous and humiliated for how he treated her.)

We have stated from Day 1 of this game, that cheating on Mary would have consequences, and now, we are seeing those consequences. If you, as the player, don't like those consequences, then don't cheat on Mary. That is the point we were making.

 

[no_name_742]

great game.
i kinda wished the news anchors stuff went farther (still could) like they have sex live on air but im not sure how that could happen logically. then again its already a stretch just stripping (well were im from), why not have sex

 

[Ozygator]

It's swinging main path with other side paths.

Though I'd modify your definition from "'hotwife' is not swinging since that requires both spouses to have sex with others at the same time usually" to "swinging is not hotwife since that involves only the wife having sex with others" - the notion that every swinger event must always be 100% quid pro quo by some strict accounting procedure is the construction of someone from the outside looking in.

Thanks for the response and I agree with your update to what 'swinging' means. Too many games want to claim they have 'swinging' and it's basically just the wife having sex with others 98% of the time and the husband not having sex at all, and that's not swinging, so glad I wasn't far off.

 

[simarimas]

great game.
i kinda wished the news anchors stuff went farther (still could) like they have sex live on air but im not sure how that could happen logically. then again its already a stretch just stripping (well were im from), why not have sex

Thanks!

As far as the news anchor stuff, one of our follow up games will be focused on the news team, the redhead reporter specifically, but with the others as well.

 

[Dessolos]

Thanks!

As far as the news anchor stuff, one of our follow up games will be focused on the news team, the redhead reporter specifically, but with the others as well.

oh awesome the redhead is my favorite among the news team I hope it's another hotwife / swinging game. I really enjoy how you go about doing things in this game. I haven't played many of those type of games that gave me the impression it was more than a porn game. As this game doesn't feel to much like a porn game to me in comparison because of the enjoyable story.

 

[simarimas]

oh awesome the redhead is my favorite among the news team I hope it's another hotwife / swinging game. I really enjoy how you go about doing things in this game. I haven't played many of those type of games that gave me the impression it was more than a porn game. As this game doesn't feel to much like a porn game to me in comparison because of the enjoyable story.

I like the redhead as well, kind of why I wanted to use her in a game. Have already given quite a bit of thought to what the game play type will be. We will have some hotwife type stuff in it, and probably some swinging as well, though probably not as focused on it as ALWL is. But, it is still in the planning stages, so who knows how it could end up.

It is gratifying to have someone say they like how we are doing things in the game. Thanks for that.

 

[latex lvr]

I did another playthrough of this game last night from the start and again I am a little confused.

You say there will be consequences of our actions. That is clear. I did a play though where Fred Is an asshole and cheats and also where Fred is not an asshole and cheats and there really isn't any difference either in Mary's actions or dialogue.

Also at a couple of points early in the game Fred suspects Mary of cheating now in one play through after this suspicion I allow Fred to cheat. When he confronts Mary about it she denies that she cheated and Fred believes her. Yet where Fred cheats apart from with Lexi, Mary has no hard evidence yet if Fred denies that he cheated she doesn't believe him.
Just like Fred only had the word of Zoey and also Mary's diary Mary only has the word off Jazz and whomever told her about Kelly. Also I did look into the trust and lust scores and it doesn't seem to matter what theses scores are as to what consequences there are.

 

[CleverUsername123]

In hotwife path, she always asks MC

I really liked the hotwife path, but did I miss a choice this for the last scene where Mary fucks her new boss? I found this really strange after the things that happened with Charlie and Dr. Mike. I think it is a really dumb decision to fuck your new boss, i'd really like to avoid this.

And are there legit scenes planned for the future with the girls Frank rejected? Maybe as a late reward for the player staying faithful?

 

[alyssssssssss]

I did another playthrough of this game last night from the start and again I am a little confused.

You say there will be consequences of our actions. That is clear. I did a play though where Fred Is an asshole and cheats and also where Fred is not an asshole and cheats and there really isn't any difference either in Mary's actions or dialogue.

Also at a couple of points early in the game Fred suspects Mary of cheating now in one play through after this suspicion I allow Fred to cheat. When he confronts Mary about it she denies that she cheated and Fred believes her. Yet where Fred cheats apart from with Lexi, Mary has no hard evidence yet if Fred denies that he cheated she doesn't believe him.
Just like Fred only had the word of Zoey and also Mary's diary Mary only has the word off Jazz and whomever told her about Kelly. Also I did look into the trust and lust scores and it doesn't seem to matter what theses scores are as to what consequences there are.

it was my own experience, in fact I tried to explain that the sense of revenge posed in that way was not very original, especially the bad way in which Mary does it, with humiliation, now, as much as the dev wants to justify, it is visible that something in that part of the game is driven. But you know, here if you complain about something, everyone immediately calls you bad and anti-NTR, which is ridiculous.

 

[simarimas]

I did another playthrough of this game last night from the start and again I am a little confused.

You say there will be consequences of our actions. That is clear. I did a play though where Fred Is an asshole and cheats and also where Fred is not an asshole and cheats and there really isn't any difference either in Mary's actions or dialogue.

Also at a couple of points early in the game Fred suspects Mary of cheating now in one play through after this suspicion I allow Fred to cheat. When he confronts Mary about it she denies that she cheated and Fred believes her. Yet where Fred cheats apart from with Lexi, Mary has no hard evidence yet if Fred denies that he cheated she doesn't believe him.
Just like Fred only had the word of Zoey and also Mary's diary Mary only has the word off Jazz and whomever told her about Kelly. Also I did look into the trust and lust scores and it doesn't seem to matter what theses scores are as to what consequences there are.

Will admit, we have not utilized trust, lust, asshole as much as we could have so far in the game, There were some instances where it was used, but not too many so far. We had quite a few different dialogues and paths just depending on who Fred cheated with, and haven't felt it necessary to use those to make even more paths/dialogues. Also, those will come into play in the end game scenarios, which was always intended, to determine outcomes for the different paths, and how things work out in the end.

Whenever Fred has cheated, Mary has been told, or found out in some way, soon after the cheating took place. She had suspicions, and these were then confirmed.

For Zoe, it happened in the house, or right in front of her (pool, restaurant bathroom) if Fred went to Zoe's room, while we didn't show it, Mary could hear what was happening.

With Kelly, she was told, and had no reason not to believe the story.

Jazz, why would she not believe the woman who just sucked and/or fucked her husband.

Lexi, you know why.

Rachel, the fiance called Mary. This could have been out of spite from him, but Mary knew he was there at Rachels house, so again, why wouldn't she believe him.

Fred on the other hand, may or may not have believed Zoe when she told about Jeremy, but Zoe left clues that she was lying. (Mary and the orgasm) and a way for Fred to verify it didn't happen.

We also don't show anything Fred isn't aware of, so there are other things that Mary may have done to verify these things, which Fred, and therefor the player, don't know.

 

[ZairusV]

Yet where Fred cheats apart from with Lexi, Mary has no hard evidence yet if Fred denies that he cheated she doesn't believe him.

Mary has very hard evidence. It's something like this.

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At an appointment with the therapist.
Fred: Lexi was stuck in the rain, and I ended up giving her a ride home. She invited me in, and I gave in to temptation.
Mary: I know, I got this the next day, anonymously. Didn't know who she was at the time, until she grabbed your crotch at dinner. Then it clicked.

 

[simarimas]

I really liked the hotwife path, but did I miss a choice this for the last scene where Mary fucks her new boss? I found this really strange after the things that happened with Charlie and Dr. Mike. I think it is a really dumb decision to fuck your new boss, i'd really like to avoid this.

And are there legit scenes planned for the future with the girls Frank rejected? Maybe as a late reward for the player staying faithful?

The Jacob (boss) scene in hotwife was a chance we saw to have a scene with Fred there and involved. To tell the truth, we never even thought about a possible 'working for or with' connection with Jacob, in relation to Mike and Charlie. Now that you mention it, there is some sort of connection in that way. But, Jacob is a nice guy, who finds Mary attractive and sexy, and she saw a way to have fun with him, and since this may be the only time the 3 of them are together, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to do it.

We had not given thought to the girls Fred turned down and giving an opportunity for him, on good boy path, to have a chance with them later on. This is a great idea though, and we will see if it is something we can make happen, at least for some of them. We do have some scenes with people from other parts of the game who may show up for this kind of scenario coming up though.

 

[sagerock820]

it was my own experience, in fact I tried to explain that the sense of revenge posed in that way was not very original, especially the bad way in which Mary does it, with humiliation, now, as much as the dev wants to justify, it is visible that something in that part of the game is driven. But you know, here if you complain about something, everyone immediately calls you bad and anti-NTR, which is ridiculous.

No, there is a cheating path in the game, people are here for that. No one has complained about there being NTR in the game. And you cheat on Mary why would she be nice to you? I don't play that path, it's not for me. But if cheated I wouldn't expect to be coddled.

 

[alyssssssssss]

Mary has very hard evidence. It's something like this.

Spoiler

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At an appointment with the therapist.
Fred: Lexi was stuck in the rain, and I ended up giving her a ride home. She invited me in, and I gave in to temptation.
Mary: I know, I got this the next day, anonymously. Didn't know who she was at the time, until she grabbed your crotch at dinner. Then it clicked.

Hahahahaah, of course the therapist is really neutral, she usually helps the couple, here instead she enjoys sharing it, well, since a therapist gives you the tasks of fucking with others, I say, a couple comes to you to solve an intimacy problem , and what does she do, she creates homework for a split, hahahahaha

 

[alyssssssssss]

No, there is a cheating path in the game, people are here for that. No one has complained about there being NTR in the game. And you cheat on Mary why would she be nice to you? I don't play that path, it's not for me. But if cheated I wouldn't expect to be coddled.

But I didn't say that Mary should give him golden bridges, but not even be such a bitch as to humiliate him, or maybe, let's punish Fred for two betrayals, and forget everything he did for her, including freeing her from the blackmailer, do 98 things right , you make two mistakes, and everyone only knows how to remember the 2 mistakes. Wowwwwwwwwwwwww

 

[sagerock820]

Well, duh, yes please!