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Yeah, It has both NTR and Netori in it, and the focus is on MC and Nicole, so I can say it is more Netori than NTR. Also what is MHB?
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Yeah, It has both NTR and Netori in it, and the focus is on MC and Nicole, so I can say it is more Netori than NTR. Also what is MHB?
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Ah it's a purely Kinetic VN, with no choices etc. called "My Husbands Boss" If you wanna know the general gist about it...

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No, it's not.
It has optional netorare that's dependant on how the player has the MC treat Chloe. An ntr game has ntr as a central theme of its content and this one doesn't.

Before someone else tries to say "umbrella term", no. Read the context of what was written because it's clearly referring to netorare, meaning the MC being on the receiving end.
I might be wrong, but when something is labeled as optional, it usually means it doesn't affect the main storyline or isn't a required part of it. On the other hand, avoidable means you're given a choice to skip or prevent it but here your decision will have consequences and can/will affect the story. In the tag section, it says avoidable, not optional.
 

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I might be wrong, but when something is labeled as optional, it usually means it doesn't affect the main storyline or isn't a required part of it. On the other hand, avoidable means you're given a choice to skip or prevent it but here your decision will have consequences and can/will affect the story. In the tag section, it says avoidable, not optional.
The context of Avoidable/Optional in this instance are the same thing, and still is not a central theme of the story.

It is only as result of how you have the MC treat Chloe.
Treat her like shit and she'll be taking the teacher's dick, raw and as deeply as possible. Treat her well and she doesn't.

However, in the event of it happening it also has plot links that go beyond just taking the teacher's dick, as becomes clear in both paths.
 

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The context of Avoidable/Optional in this instance are the same thing, and still is not a central theme of the story.

It is only as result of how you have the MC treat Chloe.
Treat her like shit and she'll be taking the teacher's dick, raw and as deeply as possible. Treat her well and she doesn't.

However, in the event of it happening it also has plot links that go beyond just taking the teacher's dick, as becomes clear in both paths.
The context of Avoidable/Optional in this instance are the same thing, and still is not a central theme of the story.
Sorry, but if the MC's girlfriend is sexually involved with someone else and it's part of the main story, then it's NTR, regardless of whether it's avoidable or not. Also 'avoidable' and optional' are not the same thing, at least not to me.
It is only as result of how you have the MC treat Chloe.
Treat her like shit and she'll be taking the teacher's dick, raw and as deeply as possible. Treat her well and she doesn't.
Which means it's NTR, avoidable, but still NTR nonetheless. And since Nicole is the main girl, of course the MC gets involved with her sexually. I don't think it's possible to be with both of them, but if you know a way to avoid the NTR and still get involved with both, I'd really appreciate it if you could explain how, cause the game seems to have different paths, and I haven’t played all of them.
However, in the event of it happening it also has plot links that go beyond just taking the teacher's dick, as becomes clear in both paths.
Isn't that what I am saying this entire time.
 
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Sorry, but if the MC's girlfriend is sexually involved with someone else and it's part of the main story, then it's NTR
Ffs... Let's try this again.

If the player makes the choices that push her to it, it's still not part of the main story at all because Chloe is not the focus of the game's story. It is avoidable, by the player's choices. It is optional, based on the player's choices.

Chloe is the "default" girlfriend that the game starts with, daughter of John (the game's main antagonist, not Beeman) and his wife Nicole. The main story of the game is centred around the MC seducing and getting into a secret relationship with Nicole, his own girlfrien'ds mother. It can be done while still being together with Chloe, or not. It can be done with Chloe cheating on the MC, if the player has made the choices that push her toward that.

Do you understand the concept of player agency, and how it relates to choosing options that are presented in the game?
That's what this is. The words are quite literally, interchangeable here.

regardless of whether it's avoidable or not. Also 'avoidable' and optional' are not the same thing, at least not to me.
Well, you're wrong on both counts. Chloe is a secondary character, and yes avoidable and optional mean the same thing in this context. This. Context...
Your personal "feelings" about the words "optional" and "avoidable" don't factor into the reality of the situation. Many words have different meanings based upon the context of their usage.

Which means it's NTR, avoidable, but still NTR nonetheless.
:WaitWhat:
Where, oh where in anything I've written, did I ever say that it wasn't?

I don't think it's possible to be with both of them
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Play the game...

but if you know a way to avoid the NTR and still get involved with both, I'd really appreciate it if you could explain how, cause the game seems to have different paths, and I haven’t played all of them.
I've literally said how to avoid it multiple times, particularly in my responses to you. Read what I've actually written, instead of focusing the existence of ntr at all.


Isn't that what I am saying this entire time.
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No, it's not.
Those plot links relate to the teacher, Chloe, his family and younger days, and you see this aspect play out regardless of Chloe still being with the MC or not, cheating on the MC or not.
There's a shitload of spoilers throughout the thread, so if you want to know, either read them or... Play. The. Game.
 

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Ffs... Let's try this again.

If the player makes the choices that push her to it, it's still not part of the main story at all because Chloe is not the focus of the game's story. It is avoidable, by the player's choices. It is optional, based on the player's choices.

Chloe is the "default" girlfriend that the game starts with, daughter of John (the game's main antagonist, not Beeman) and his wife Nicole. The main story of the game is centred around the MC seducing and getting into a secret relationship with Nicole, his own girlfrien'ds mother. It can be done while still being together with Chloe, or not. It can be done with Chloe cheating on the MC, if the player has made the choices that push her toward that.

Do you understand the concept of player agency, and how it relates to choosing options that are presented in the game?
That's what this is. The words are quite literally, interchangeable here.



Well, you're wrong on both counts. Chloe is a secondary character, and yes avoidable and optional mean the same thing in this context. This. Context...
Your personal "feelings" about the words "optional" and "avoidable" don't factor into the reality of the situation. Many words have different meanings based upon the context of their usage.


:WaitWhat:
Where, oh where in anything I've written, did I ever say that it wasn't?


:FacePalm:
Play the game...



I've literally said how to avoid it multiple times, particularly in my responses to you. Read what I've actually written, instead of focusing the existence of ntr at all.



:FacePalm:
No, it's not.
Those plot links relate to the teacher, Chloe, his family and younger days, and you see this aspect play out regardless of Chloe still being with the MC or not, cheating on the MC or not.
There's a shitload of spoilers throughout the thread, so if you want to know, either read them or... Play. The. Game.
Point at their profile picture, and select "ignore", life is happier that way. ;)
 

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Sorry, but if the MC's girlfriend is sexually involved with someone else and it's part of the main story, then it's NTR, regardless of whether it's avoidable or not. Also 'avoidable' and optional' are not the same thing, at least not to me.

Which means it's NTR, avoidable, but still NTR nonetheless. And since Nicole is the main girl, of course the MC gets involved with her sexually. I don't think it's possible to be with both of them, but if you know a way to avoid the NTR and still get involved with both, I'd really appreciate it if you could explain how, cause the game seems to have different paths, and I haven’t played all of them.

Isn't that what I am saying this entire time.
You're taking optional NTR too seriously, just treat Chloe with respect and she will not cheat on you. If you want to see her fuck man bear pig then be a bitch to her and agree to watch her fuck him. Stop worry about AVN semantics it's just a game.
 

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Ffs... Let's try this again.

If the player makes the choices that push her to it, it's still not part of the main story at all because Chloe is not the focus of the game's story. It is avoidable, by the player's choices. It is optional, based on the player's choices.

Chloe is the "default" girlfriend that the game starts with, daughter of John (the game's main antagonist, not Beeman) and his wife Nicole. The main story of the game is centred around the MC seducing and getting into a secret relationship with Nicole, his own girlfrien'ds mother. It can be done while still being together with Chloe, or not. It can be done with Chloe cheating on the MC, if the player has made the choices that push her toward that.

Do you understand the concept of player agency, and how it relates to choosing options that are presented in the game?
That's what this is. The words are quite literally, interchangeable here.



Well, you're wrong on both counts. Chloe is a secondary character, and yes avoidable and optional mean the same thing in this context. This. Context...
Your personal "feelings" about the words "optional" and "avoidable" don't factor into the reality of the situation. Many words have different meanings based upon the context of their usage.


:WaitWhat:
Where, oh where in anything I've written, did I ever say that it wasn't?


:FacePalm:
Play the game...



I've literally said how to avoid it multiple times, particularly in my responses to you. Read what I've actually written, instead of focusing the existence of ntr at all.



:FacePalm:
No, it's not.
Those plot links relate to the teacher, Chloe, his family and younger days, and you see this aspect play out regardless of Chloe still being with the MC or not, cheating on the MC or not.
There's a shitload of spoilers throughout the thread, so if you want to know, either read them or... Play. The. Game.
Sorry but your first is your saying that it is saying this is not a NTR game.

So, if we treat her well, she won't cheat on the MC, that's it right? we can be with both of them, and the NTR is optional? This means, in the future, we won't have to worry about the ending because the NTR is optional, and we can finish the game without running into it. Did I get that right?.


I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up about this. If mentioning NTR was inappropriate, then I sincerely apologize. I had no intention of being disrespectful toward you or the game. If you don't want to help, that's totally fine, just say so, instead of being... I don't even know what to call it. I simply asked whether it's possible to be with both of them without encountering NTR, and whether the game forces you to choose between them. That's a yes or no question, Instead, you told me to go back and read your previous replies or just play the game myself. But if your earlier answers had already cleared up my doubts, I wouldn't have asked again, would I? and If I plan to do play the game I wouldn't ask either, the same goes for the whole "avoidable vs. optional" discussion. Avoidable and optional are b no means same, but If those two mean the same thing in the context of this game, then you could’ve just said it’s optional, that would’ve again cleared my doubts right away.

The reason I’m asking is because, from what I remember when playing the game, it felt like the sacrifice was inevitable. I may be wrong as it's been a while since I played the game, but think either the narrator or the gamer girl said something like sooner or later the MC has to choose between them, which made it seem like the dev was preparing me for a mandatory choice. Normally, I wouldn’t think much of that, but since the game is tagged with NTR, and there’s a path where Chloe ends is with Beeman, I’m uncertain about what to do. If a choice at the end will result in NTR, I’d rather make it earlier on, when I’m not too emotionally invested in the girlfriend character.

Anyway, forget I asked. And frankly, you're not the person I originally replied to neither enjoyable having a discussion with you but thanks for your help and once again, if you happen to enjoy NTR and my comment offended you, I truly apologize, that wasn’t my intention.
 

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You're taking optional NTR too seriously, just treat Chloe with respect and she will not cheat on you. If you want to see her fuck man bear pig then be a bitch to her and agree to watch her fuck him. Stop worry about AVN semantics it's just a game.
Bro, I said I'm not even interested in the girlfriend, and her getting involved with Beeman doesn't even bother me, so I'm not sure why you're thinking I'm taking anything seriously here. Like, the only people I take seriously are Nicole and Mom, and the discussion is also about them, which I'm having with someone else. Like seriously, why would I even play this game if the Chloe thing bothered me that much, let alone have the game in my top 5?

Like, all this unnecessary discussion is about me mentioning NTR and avoidable, which are both in the tags section. So I'm not sure what was wrong with what I said, but if mentioning them is wrong, then I'm really sorry. I have enough shit going on in my life and don't need any unnecessary drama online.
 
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Bro, I said I'm not even interested in the girlfriend, and her getting involved with Beeman doesn't even bother me, so I'm not sure why you're thinking I'm taking anything seriously here. Like, the only people I take seriously are Nicole and Mom, and the discussion is also about them, which I'm having with someone else. Like seriously, why would I even play this game if the Chloe thing bothered me that much, let alone the game being in my top 5?.
The Mom isn't a LI.

Nicole has a husband, but they don't have sex.

The only way the girlfriend cheats on MC is if MC treats her badly.

There are other characters but none of them "cheat" on MC either, since they're not in relationships with MC.

The reason I’m asking is because, from what I remember when playing the game, it felt like the sacrifice was inevitable. I may be wrong as it's been a while since I played the game, but think either the narrator or the gamer girl said something like sooner or later the MC has to choose between them, which made it seem like the dev was preparing me for a mandatory choice. Normally, I wouldn’t think much of that, but since the game is tagged with NTR, and there’s a path where Chloe ends is with Beeman, I’m uncertain about what to do. If a choice at the end will result in NTR, I’d rather make it earlier on, when I’m not too emotionally invested in the girlfriend character.
This is a more serious story with darker undertones. So it's not going to be some harem game more likely than not. So I do think a sacrifice or consequences will be inevitable, I don't know how the story would logically work otherwise. But I don't think any individual choice will result in that, but a cumulative result of what MC had done.

Honesty, I don't think this game is for people who are overly sensitive about NTR (or potentially bad things happening in general). Like I said, this is a more serious story and will, eventually, have some consequences.

What those consequences are, nobody knows.
 

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The Mom isn't a LI.

Nicole has a husband, but they don't have sex.

The only way the girlfriend cheats on MC is if MC treats her badly.

There are other characters but none of them "cheat" on MC either, since they're not in relationships with MC.



This is a more serious story with darker undertones. So it's not going to be some harem game more likely than not. So I do think a sacrifice or consequences will be inevitable, I don't know how the story would logically work otherwise. But I don't think any individual choice will result in that, but a cumulative result of what MC had done.

Honesty, I don't think this game is for people who are overly sensitive about NTR (or potentially bad things happening in general). Like I said, this is a more serious story and will, eventually, have some consequences.

What those consequences are, nobody knows.
I am asking what does it mean by MC treat her badly, like is it physical abuse, Or is it more like a choice-based system, where we're given the option to spend time with either Nicole or the girlfriend, and if we choose Nicole, the girlfriend ends up having NTR scenes. I feel like it's the later.

It doesn’t matter if the mom is a love interest or not NTR means someone who loves you becoming sexually involved with someone else. Since she’s the MC’s mom and has a husband, her participating in sexual acts with a stranger makes it NTR.


As for Nicole, I know she has a husband. Like I said, I played the game up to around Chapter 11, where Nicole enters the bedroom and sees John on the bed. I’ll say it again: even if they did end up having sex, I don’t consider it NTR, since they’re a couple. For me, Nicole and the girlfriend are strangers, while the mom is family. I’d rather have Nicole be participate in a gangbang rather than have John even shake hands with his mom.

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been saying. This game doesn’t have a harem, and it includes NTR, and it’s described as avoidable, which means the main character’s choices will have consequences on the overall story. That’s exactly what I’ve been saying this whole time. But the other person keeps saying that NTR is optional, which would imply it has no real effect on the main story, something I don’t believe is true for this game, just like you said.
 
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Sorry but your first is your saying that it is saying this is not a NTR game.
Because it isn't.

By your logic, the MC must be impregnating all the women, that all women in the game are milfs, he's spanking them all, and all of it taking place in a school...

I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up about this.
I'm not sure why you need the exact same information repeated to you multiple times, but you do.

The reason I’m asking is because, from what I remember when playing the game, it felt like the sacrifice was inevitable.
Just play the game...

and there’s a path where Chloe ends is with Beeman
Stop jumping to unfounded conclusions based on your misunderstanding of words and their usage, and play the game... The choices are obvious and if that's not enough for you, then here;
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I’m uncertain about what to do.
Play the game...

If a choice at the end will result in NTR
It won't.

when I’m not too emotionally invested in the girlfriend character.
You're not the MC, play the game.

And frankly, you're not the person I originally replied to
Then check your facts before posting incorrect information.

if you happen to enjoy NTR and my comment offended you
I don't enjoy ntr, which is why I like that the tiny amount of it that is in this game is... Avoidable because it is optional content.
 

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I am asking what does it mean by MC treat her badly, like is it physical abuse, Or is it more like a choice-based system, where we're given the option to spend time with either Nicole or the girlfriend, and if we choose Nicole, the girlfriend ends up having NTR scenes. I feel like it's the later.
I'm not a master of the definition of NTR, but I can answer this question.

It's a choice-based system. Nicole will ask MC (US) in the early parts of the game to leave Chloe but we refuse at first but MC (US) reveals that we are attracted to Nicole and came up with an idea called "Nicole Payments" where Nicole will perform strip teases and sexy things for us (but eventually those Nicole payments will turn into sex and having a real relationship with Nicole as we progress through the game. Depending on your choice with Nicole, you will either have a love or corruption path) in return, we ignore Chloe.

Before the steak dinner we have with the Heavens, MC (US) will have opportunities to go on dates or hang out with Chloe. MC (US) has the choice to either keep our end of the bargain with Nicole (that means to ignore Chloe completely and not go on dates with her this will lead to a break-up with Chloe, this is the "Chloe is not you GF Path" or still be with Chloe, but she will cheat on you with Beeman, this is the "Chloe is Strange Path"). Or keep having Nicole Payments, but NOT keep our end of the bargain (that means MC (US) keeps having Nicole payments but is still seeing Chloe this is the "Chloe is still your GF Path" that means you and Chloe are still together, but you're also dating Nicole but eventually she'll get and show signs of jealousy of Chloe later in the game).
 
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I'm not a master of the definition of NTR, but I can answer this question.

It's a choice-based system. Nicole will ask MC (US) in the early parts of the game to leave Chloe but we refuse at first but MC (US) reveals that we are attracted to Nicole and came up with an idea called "Nicole Payments" where Nicole will perform strip teases and sexy things for us (but eventually those Nicole payments will turn into sex and having a real relationship with Nicole as we progress through the game. Depending on your choice with Nicole, you will either have a love or corruption path) in return, we ignore Chloe.

Before the steak dinner we have with the Heavens, MC (US) will have opportunities to go on dates or hang out with Chloe. MC (US) has the choice to either keep our end of the bargain with Nicole (that means to ignore Chloe completely and not go on dates with her this will lead to a break-up with Chloe, this is the "Chloe is not you GF Path" or still be with Chloe, but she will cheat on you with Beeman, this is the "Chloe is Strange Path"). Or keep having Nicole Payments, but NOT keep our end of the bargain (that means MC (US) keeps having Nicole payments but is still seeing Chloe this is the "Chloe is still your GF Path" that means you and Chloe are still together, but you're also dating Nicole but eventually she'll get and show signs of jealousy of Chloe later in the game).
Thanks for trying to help, brother, I really appreciate it, and I like how well you explained. But the thing is, I’ve played up to Chapter 11, so I’m already aware of Nicole’s payments and the choice the MC has to either keep his word or not. What I’m trying to say is, even though we’re currently seeing Nicole and Chloe and avoiding any NTR for now, it seems like in the future, just like you mentioned Chloe might eventually find out about the MC’s affair with Nicole. And when that happens, she could end up going down the NTR route or something similar. I mean, if the MC simply avoiding her was enough to push her toward Beeman, then there’s no way she’ll just be okay with finding out about his affair with Nicole. If I can finish the game without triggering any NTR events and still end up with both of them, then I’d definitely go down that route. But from what I’ve seen, that doesn’t really seem to be the case with this game. And if NTR is inevitable, I’d honestly rather it happen from the start before I get emotionally attached to Chloe and don't consider her as girlfriend, than be forced into it later due MC gets involved with Nicole.

I’ll say it again, I’m fine with Chole going the NTR route if it’s inevitable. In that case, I’ll choose the 'Chole is a stranger' route. But if NTR is only optional and can be avoided even if we’re with both Nicole and Chole, then I’ll go with the 'Chole is the girlfriend' route.
 
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Thanks for trying to help, brother, I really appreciate it, and I like how well you explained. But the thing is, I’ve played up to Chapter 11, so I’m already aware of Nicole’s payments and the choice the MC has to either keep his word or not. What I’m trying to say is, even though we’re currently seeing Nicole and Chloe and avoiding any NTR for now, it seems like in the future, just like you mentioned Chloe might eventually find out about the MC’s affair with Nicole. And when that happens, she could end up going down the NTR route or something similar. I mean, if the MC simply avoiding her was enough to push her toward Beeman, then there’s no way she’ll just be okay with finding out about his affair with Nicole. If I can finish the game without triggering any NTR events and still end up with both of them, then I’d definitely go down that route. But from what I’ve seen, that doesn’t really seem to be the case with this game. And if NTR is inevitable, I’d honestly rather it happen from the start before I get emotionally attached to Chloe and don't consider her as girlfriend, than be forced into it later due MC gets involved with Nicole.

I’ll say it again, I’m fine with Chole going the NTR route if it’s inevitable. In that case, I’ll choose the 'Chole is a stranger' route. But if NTR is only optional and can be avoided even if we’re with both Nicole and Chole, then I’ll go with the 'Chole is the girlfriend' route.
No problem, my friend. I suggest you continue the game going forward because there has been a lot of story and progress. I'm not going to spoil anything since you only played up to Part 11. In the end, it's all up to Dev Orb on when and how Chloe is going to find out about MC (US) and Nicole's relationship and how Chloe is going to react.
 
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Because it isn't.

By your logic, the MC must be impregnating all the women, that all women in the game are milfs, he's spanking them all, and all of it taking place in a school...



I'm not sure why you need the exact same information repeated to you multiple times, but you do.



Just play the game...



Stop jumping to unfounded conclusions based on your misunderstanding of words and their usage, and play the game... The choices are obvious and if that's not enough for you, then here;
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Play the game...



It won't.



You're not the MC, play the game.



Then check your facts before posting incorrect information.



I don't enjoy ntr, which is why I like that the tiny amount of it that is in this game is... Avoidable because it is optional content.
By your logic, the MC must be impregnating all the women, that all women in the game are milfs, he's spanking them all, and all of it taking place in a school...
When did I said that? like when did I even mentioned that "MC should be with all the women, and that all the women in this game are MIlf's, or him impregnates them".... Like, what the hell are you even talking about.



Yeah, I should've understood from your first reply alone, but I just wanted to give it a chance and asked for your assistance, which was absolutely my mistake by the way. Thanks for being completely useless and providing nothing of importance, like all you said is to play the game, like.....sigh I don't want to say it again. And please, don’t reply to someone if you’re not capable of helping them in the first place. I believe this will be my last reply. I apologize for any inconvenience, but I kindly ask that you refrain from replying to me again on this forum.
 
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No problem, my friend. I suggest you continue the game going forward because there has been a lot of story and progress. I'm not going to spoil anything since you only played up to Part 11. In the end, it's all up to Dev Orb on when and how Chloe is going to find out about MC (US) and Nicole's relationship and how Chloe is going to react.
Nah brother, I’ll wait until the next chapter . Someone mentioned the last chapter ended with Mom having dinner with John or something, so depending on how things with Mom turn out, I’ll decide whether I am ready to play or not. It’ll also give me a chance to forget some things about the story, which would help me as I’m planning to play it from the start and not feel like I’ve already played it, even though I highly doubt it.
 
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