VN Ren'Py A Mother's Love [Part 1-15 Plus] [OrbOrigin]

[J0K3RXXX]

Hey everyone! Here are two more WIP of Mother's Love Part 16!
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Thank you all for your patience and as usual, see you soon :

Thank you very much for sharing Orb's most recent post, Raminita.

As for the content of the code:

1. The first screenshot seems to show how Alicia wants to play with MC, but he remains totally unmoved to her seduction games (I wouldn't even rule out that she might even be naked, topless or wearing one of those "dresses" that Kanye West's exhibitionist girlfriend loves to wear everywhere in public, in order to seduce him or simply to find out if his forbidden relationship with Nicole is something real and not just something motivated solely by lust).
2. The second one seems to confirm my hunch that Alicia is wearing an outfit that is too provocative or exhibitionist and is strolling through what appears to be a park where repulsive types often hang around. However, as Optimus69420 points out, MC seems to recognize some of them, so I think it could be one of two possibilities:
   • the ex-model Josh in case his sister eventually kicked him out of the house for being a bad influence on her son,
   • or the business owner who was bought by John but was given money and a girl who was supposedly much younger than she actually is, which was the live example John showed MC of one of his favorite dirty winning business tactics during the Day 15.
   • However, seeing how playful/twisted Alicia is being with MC, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it's all a scene she's set up to see how MC will act.

As for the line of dialogue Alicia mentions about the behavioral likeness between MC and John, it's possible it could be any of the possibilities (simple resemblance by chance or because there may actually be an unknown family relationship between the two). For the latter, it's been widely theorized in this forum that MC could be John's illegitimate child, whose biological mother may have been Aunt Martha, who, unprepared by unknown reasons to handle raising a child, gave the child to her sister and brother-in-law (who might not have children of their own) to raise as their own. However, that theory would go against Patreon's firm censorship policies on incest, something Orb has always claimed to respect, so that possibility would be ruled out... unless Chloe was not actually the biological daughter of John and Nicole Heavens, as has also been theorized here based on the little resemblance to either of her official parents and instead being almost a clone of Nanci, Abi's dead sister, which would support a certain fan theory that perhaps she was the daughter of Nanci and Gavin and that John probably bought when Nicole was unconscious after giving birth to a stillborn girl in order to save his marriage, but as the girl grew up and Nicole did not give birth to more children, John gradually stopped trying hard in his marriage and decide to focus solely on his work, which he turned into a kind of harem of his own. If this last theory were true, perhaps then we would see why John apparently doesn't care that the future baby is not his, since he simply believes that it will never be born or perhaps he sees it as a blessing from heaven to have a son with his surname, even if he is not his blood, taking into account his great passion for history and genealogy.

However, whether this behavioral resemblance is due to chance or genetic reasons, let us not forget that perhaps it was precisely that detail that was the main reason that made Nicole give in so quickly to MC's lustful machinations to establish this relationship that has become a real affair, since perhaps she unconsciously sees in MC a younger version of the man who made her fall in love in her youth and whom she married, before life slowly separated them (although she didn't realize it, or rather, didn't want to realize it) and he ended up becoming a totally despicable being on every level.

 

[Optimus69420]

As for the content of the code:

1. The first screenshot seems to show how Alicia wants to play with MC, but he remains totally unmoved to her seduction games (I wouldn't even rule out that she might even be naked, topless or wearing one of those "dresses" that Kanye West's exhibitionist girlfriend loves to wear everywhere in public, in order to seduce him or simply to find out if his forbidden relationship with Nicole is something real and not just something motivated solely by lust).
2. The second one seems to confirm my hunch that Alicia is wearing an outfit that is too provocative or exhibitionist and is strolling through what appears to be a park where repulsive types often hang around. However, as @Optimus69420points out, MC seems to recognize some of them, so I think it could be one of two possibilities:
   • the ex-model Josh in case his sister eventually kicked him out of the house for being a bad influence on her son,
   • or the business owner who was bought by John but was given money and a girl who was supposedly much younger than she actually is, which was the live example John showed MC of one of his favorite dirty winning business tactics during the Day 15.
   • However, seeing how playful/twisted Alicia is being with MC, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it's all a scene she's set up to see how MC will act.

Your theory about Alicia wearing something revealing. It makes total sense since MC (US) does say, "Hand it over, and I'll forget what just happened."

Thank you for agreeing with my theory about MC (US) potentially recognizing some of the creepy homeless people at a park where repulsive types often hang around where we walk with Alicia.

As for the line of dialogue Alicia mentions about the behavioral likeness between MC and John, it's possible it could be any of the possibilities (simple resemblance by chance or because there may actually be an unknown family relationship between the two). For the latter, it's been widely theorized in this forum that MC could be John's illegitimate child, whose biological mother may have been Aunt Martha, who, unprepared by unknown reasons to handle raising a child, gave the child to her sister and brother-in-law (who might not have children of their own) to raise as their own. However, that theory would go against Patreon's firm censorship policies on incest, something Orb has always claimed to respect, so that possibility would be ruled out... unless Chloe was not actually the biological daughter of John and Nicole Heavens, as has also been theorized here based on the little resemblance to either of her official parents and instead being almost a clone of Nanci, Abi's dead sister, which would support a certain fan theory that perhaps she was the daughter of Nanci and Gavin and that John probably bought when Nicole was unconscious after giving birth to a stillborn girl in order to save his marriage, but as the girl grew up and Nicole did not give birth to more children, John gradually stopped trying hard in his marriage and decide to focus solely on his work, which he turned into a kind of harem of his own. If this last theory were true, perhaps then we would see why John apparently doesn't care that the future baby is not his, since he simply believes that it will never be born or perhaps he sees it as a blessing from heaven to have a son with his surname, even if he is not his blood, taking into account his great passion for history and genealogy.

The latter theory about Chloe not being Nicole and John's biological daughter can make the MC (US) is John's son work, and it will be a great plot twist, and it gives a huge meaning to the name of the game. I hope this theory comes true because that will be an interesting plot twist

However, whether this behavioral resemblance is due to chance or genetic reasons, let us not forget that perhaps it was precisely that detail that was the main reason that made Nicole give in so quickly to MC's lustful machinations to establish this relationship that has become a real affair, since perhaps she unconsciously sees in MC a younger version of the man who made her fall in love in her youth and whom she married, before life slowly separated them (although she didn't realize it, or rather, didn't want to realize it) and he ended up becoming a totally despicable being on every level.

This is very interesting. I wonder how this will impact the relationship that MC (US) and Nicole have if she comes to realize that she sees a young John in MC (US)? If this moment happens in the game, I'm sure this will be a huge bump in the road and it will come to a question that we'll ask Nicole. Does she love MC (US) for who we are, or does she just see us as a young version of her husband that she fell in love with in her youth?

 

[luiver]

I already waiting for some kind of supernatural twist by now, to be honest.

LMAO, John somewhat resembles the Joker too.

 

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Then you were really lucky not to see that shit. It doesn't do justice to either the manga or the anime. And I'm afraid of what Netflix will be like again (it looks like they're going to make a new adaptation, this time in series form, produced by the same people who produced Stranger Things).

Regarding the track you mention, it's interesting that you use Kyrie for AML. Nicole Heavens could certainly become the Goddess of the New World, at least from MC's point of view.

Yeah, I understand that's just a theory, but it's a good one. I don’t really remember anything like that because it’s been a while since I played it, but I’ll see for myself when I play it again, whether I agree with the theory and the probability of it happening. As for Abigail, I’d be fine if her relationship with the MC stayed just that, she feels more like best-friend material, with some friendly flirting for fun.


As for Death Note, even if it were good, I wouldn’t have watched it since live-action anime adaptations aren’t my thing. Coming to OST, I like it because it fits the tone of the game, but I wouldn’t say no to the idea of Nicole becoming the goddess.

 

[J0K3RXXX]

Your theory about Alicia wearing something revealing. It makes total sense since MC (US) does say, "Hand it over, and I'll forget what just happened."

Thank you for agreeing with my theory about MC (US) potentially recognizing some of the creepy homeless people at a park where repulsive types often hang around where we walk with Alicia.

Can you imagine if that repulsive pervert were Josh? That could cause some problems, since even though he doesn't know Nicole's true identity, he does her face and voice, and upon seeing MC again, he might decide to spy on him and thus find out who Nicole Starr really is. Let's not forget that she was the one who ruined his promising modeling career and the photographer's, whom we haven't seen since that flashback.

The latter theory about Chloe not being Nicole and John's biological daughter can make the MC (US) is John's son work, and it will be a great plot twist, and it gives a huge meaning to the name of the game. I hope this theory comes true because that will be an interesting plot twist

It would certainly be interesting, although it would border so much on the content prohibited by Patreon that I don't know if Orb would take that route, which although it would be original for the plot, it would not be so original in this field of games, given the popularity of "family content".

However, if there's one thing Orb has shown us on several occasions, it's that it has surprised us with how it has handled the story of this game, especially with its cliffhangers.

This is very interesting. I wonder how this will impact the relationship that MC (US) and Nicole have if she comes to realize that she sees a young John in MC (US)? If this moment happens in the game, I'm sure this will be a huge bump in the road and it will come to a question that we'll ask Nicole. Does she love MC (US) for who we are, or does she just see us as a young version of her husband that she fell in love with in her youth?

In my opinion, I don't think it would be a problem for the story, although it's true that I don't think MC would like this detail at all. Nicole simply has a type of man she's attracted to, one that would fit both her husband (at least in his younger days) and her lover.

Let's hope that if MC finds out, Nicole will be able to make him see that he is better than John in every way, even comparing him to when her husband was young (although if I remember correctly, I think John and Nicole weren't one of those couples who started when they were in high school, but rather they met when she had already enjoyed several alcoholic binges in her (early) twenties).

 

[Optimus69420]

Can you imagine if that repulsive pervert were Josh? That could cause some problems, since even though he doesn't know Nicole's true identity, he does her face and voice, and upon seeing MC again, he might decide to spy on him and thus find out who Nicole Starr really is. Let's not forget that she was the one who ruined his promising modeling career and the photographer's, whom we haven't seen since that flashback.

I would be so mad and annoyed if the "Creepy Homeless Person" were Josh. I hope we get to kick his ass again if it were him. In my opinion, his career was already over, and it was only a matter of time. Josh and the photographer were doomed from the get-go to be absolute perverts, and I'm glad Nicole ratted them out.

If Josh were to decide to spy on MC (US), I really hope this doesn't happen because we have an idiot pervert who wants revenge and that's going to open another problem for MC (US) to handle, where we already have a lot of problems on our plate.

It would certainly be interesting, although it would border so much on the content prohibited by Patreon that I don't know if Orb would take that route, which although it would be original for the plot, it would not be so original in this field of games, given the popularity of "family content".

However, if there's one thing Orb has shown us on several occasions, it's that it has surprised us with how it has handled the story of this game, especially with its cliffhangers.

I have a feeling that Chloe isn't Nicole and John's biological daughter, and MC (US) is John's illegitimate son theory can work and is in line with Dev Orb's surprises. But in the end the decision is all up to Dev Orb.

In my opinion, I don't think it would be a problem for the story, although it's true that I don't think MC would like this detail at all. Nicole simply has a type of man she's attracted to, one that would fit both her husband (at least in his younger days) and her lover.

Let's hope that if MC finds out, Nicole will be able to make him see that he is better than John in every way, even comparing him to when her husband was young (although if I remember correctly, I think John and Nicole weren't one of those couples who started when they were in high school, but rather they met when she had already enjoyed several alcoholic binges in her (early) twenties).

I have a feeling Nicole will try and convince MC (US) too and tell her that she loves the MC (US), and I have a feeling when this happens, it will be a very emotional scene like the scene where MC (US) witnesses Abigail releases Nanci and Gavin's remaining remains. After Nicole pours her heart out to MC (US) in that emotional scene, I also have a feeling both MC (US) and Nicole will have a very long, hot, and romantic sex scene.

 

[Carl Sagan 42]

Can you imagine if that repulsive pervert were Josh? That could cause some problems, since even though he doesn't know Nicole's true identity, he does her face and voice, and upon seeing MC again, he might decide to spy on him and thus find out who Nicole Starr really is. Let's not forget that she was the one who ruined his promising modeling career and the photographer's, whom we haven't seen since that flashback.


It would certainly be interesting, although it would border so much on the content prohibited by Patreon that I don't know if Orb would take that route, which although it would be original for the plot, it would not be so original in this field of games, given the popularity of "family content".

However, if there's one thing Orb has shown us on several occasions, it's that it has surprised us with how it has handled the story of this game, especially with its cliffhangers.


In my opinion, I don't think it would be a problem for the story, although it's true that I don't think MC would like this detail at all. Nicole simply has a type of man she's attracted to, one that would fit both her husband (at least in his younger days) and her lover.

Let's hope that if MC finds out, Nicole will be able to make him see that he is better than John in every way, even comparing him to when her husband was young (although if I remember correctly, I think John and Nicole weren't one of those couples who started when they were in high school, but rather they met when she had already enjoyed several alcoholic binges in her (early) twenties).

I have a theory based on some observations from the past chapters. Here it goes:


1. The Mystery Around Marilyn:
Marilyn’s guardians were never shown. She is one of the four major pillars of the game (alongside MC, John, and Nichole). We’re well aware of her psychic powers, which she also used on Chloe. If I remember correctly, I once read a comment from you a long time ago where you mentioned that Marilyn could be John’s daughter. I really appreciated that theory, and I strongly believe in it. I also have another point to support that theory, which I’ll mention later in this message.



2. Alicia’s Search:
The theory you proposed about Chloe being the daughter of Nancy and Gavin is a solid one. Now, if you recall, in the pre-climax of Part 15, Alicia asks the MC to find two people. This is just a guess, but I believe one of those two could be either Chloe or Marilyn. Alicia might’ve learned something from John’s past and was on a mission to track it down.



3. The Gargoyle:
As far as I understand, gargoyles are typically used in architecture, particularly on rooftops. Since John runs Magic Grand, a real estate company, it makes sense for him to own a gargoyle. But here’s the twist — if it’s just a normal gargoyle, why would John emphasize its return to the MC? I remember reading somewhere that gargoyles are sometimes used in occult practices. I believe John engages in supernatural activities and possesses powers himself. That could also explain how Marilyn inherited her powers (again, aligning with one of your earlier theories). This is the connection I hinted at in the beginning.



4. The Climax:
In the climax of Part 15, Jenny is shown on a date with John. Now, I have two possible theories here:


1. Is it really Jenny, or her sick twin Martha?
Since they are twins, Orb might be using the same character model for both. This could lead to a twist similar to Christopher Nolan’s The Prestige.


2. Could MC actually be Jenny’s child, not Martha’s?
You previously suggested that MC might be the child of John and Martha. But I suspect it might be Jenny instead. John and Jenny may have had a relationship in the past, and—similar to Marilyn’s spell—John might’ve used a magical spell on Jenny that erased her memories of it. He could now be trying to bring both MC and Jenny back into his life.



Also, if you recall Alicia’s first appearance (in Part 10 or 11, I believe), she mentions that John had never hired any male employees. She felt strange seeing MC, as he was the only male she had ever seen working under John. This could further hint at a biological connection between MC and John.



Feel free to share your thoughts on this, Optimus Prime and JOK3ERXXX.

 

[Optimus69420]

I have a theory based on some observations from the past chapters. Here it goes:


1. The Mystery Around Marilyn:
Marilyn’s guardians were never shown. She is one of the four major pillars of the game (alongside MC, John, and Nichole). We’re well aware of her psychic powers, which she also used on Chloe. If I remember correctly, I once read a comment from you a long time ago where you mentioned that Marilyn could be John’s daughter. I really appreciated that theory, and I strongly believe in it. I also have another point to support that theory, which I’ll mention later in this message.



2. Alicia’s Search:
The theory you proposed about Chloe being the daughter of Nancy and Gavin is a solid one. Now, if you recall, in the pre-climax of Part 15, Alicia asks the MC to find two people. This is just a guess, but I believe one of those two could be either Chloe or Marilyn. Alicia might’ve learned something from John’s past and was on a mission to track it down.



3. The Gargoyle:
As far as I understand, gargoyles are typically used in architecture, particularly on rooftops. Since John runs Magic Grand, a real estate company, it makes sense for him to own a gargoyle. But here’s the twist — if it’s just a normal gargoyle, why would John emphasize its return to the MC? I remember reading somewhere that gargoyles are sometimes used in occult practices. I believe John engages in supernatural activities and possesses powers himself. That could also explain how Marilyn inherited her powers (again, aligning with one of your earlier theories). This is the connection I hinted at in the beginning.



4. The Climax:
In the climax of Part 15, Jenny is shown on a date with John. Now, I have two possible theories here:


1. Is it really Jenny, or her sick twin Martha?
Since they are twins, Orb might be using the same character model for both. This could lead to a twist similar to Christopher Nolan’s The Prestige.


2. Could MC actually be Jenny’s child, not Martha’s?
You previously suggested that MC might be the child of John and Martha. But I suspect it might be Jenny instead. John and Jenny may have had a relationship in the past, and—similar to Marilyn’s spell—John might’ve used a magical spell on Jenny that erased her memories of it. He could now be trying to bring both MC and Jenny back into his life.



Also, if you recall Alicia’s first appearance (in Part 10 or 11, I believe), she mentions that John had never hired any male employees. She felt strange seeing MC, as he was the only male she had ever seen working under John. This could further hint at a biological connection between MC and John.



Feel free to share your thoughts on this, Optimus Prime and JOK3ERXXX.

1 & 3 Theory: I did recall J0K3RXXX did mention a theory that Marilyn's true intentions are to get revenge on John, and her crush on Nicole is a lie, so she has an excuse to hang out with MC (US). And you're correct that we haven't seen Marilyn's parents, but I do recall that she mentioned that she currently lives with her Grandma. I also recall that Marilyn's mom was the first MILF that MC (US) was attracted to.

I do find this theory interesting, that Marilyn could be John's illegitimate daughter, and she's out for revenge on him. But we need more evidence, or if someone can remind me why she wants revenge against John.

I would also like to add that while both Marilyn and Chloe are at the hospital together in the same room, Marilyn was having a deep conversation with an unconscious Chloe. Perhaps that could be another evidence that her revenge plan is almost complete.

3 & 4 (Sub 1 & 2 theory):

#3 Theory: The theory that John could be psychic too will be a real surprise, and it can fit given John's character.

4 (Sub 1 theory): I don't recall the game ever mentioning that Jenny and Aunt Martha are twins. If you or anyone can tell me which chapter in the game it was mentioned, I would really appreciate that. Because when you mentioned that they are twins, I was really surprised, but I need confirmation first. You also mentioned that Jenny and Martha could be sharing the same character model. But whatever the case is, if either one of them turns out ot be true in Part 16, that would be a surprise and a plot twist.

But if it turns out to be that John is having dinner with Aunt Martha, the cliffhanger by the end of Part 15 is potentially our first look at her.

4 (Sub 2 theory): This is an interesting theory and a surprising one, too. I just have a question if the cliffhanger we saw in Part 15 was like a spell ritual to bring back her memories, but why is John making an effort to get rid of MC (US) if he wants to bring back MC (US) and Jenny to his life?

 

[Carl Sagan 42]

"Hey, can anyone confirm whether Jenny and Aunt Martha are actually twins?" I feel yes because I remember once JOK3RXXX mentioning about this. Hey JOK3RXXX you are the only one who can confirm this.

 

[Carl Sagan 42]

4 (Sub 2 theory): This is an interesting theory and a surprising one, too. I just have a question if the cliffhanger we saw in Part 15 was like a spell ritual to bring back her memories, but why is John making an effort to get rid of MC (US) if he wants to bring back MC (US) and Jenny to his life?

I do have an answer for this. Firstly, either he possessed Jenny or he blackmailed her with something. Once he got his hands on Jenny, he could start blackmailing MC threatening that if MC doesn't obey, he’ll harm Jenny just like he did with Silvia. His ultimate goal is to get to MC, but the only way to do that is through Jenny.

 

[J0K3RXXX]

I have a theory based on some observations from the past chapters. Here it goes:

1. The Mystery Around Marilyn:
Marilyn’s guardians were never shown. She is one of the four major pillars of the game (alongside MC, John, and Nichole). We’re well aware of her psychic powers, which she also used on Chloe. If I remember correctly, I once read a comment from you a long time ago where you mentioned that Marilyn could be John’s daughter. I really appreciated that theory, and I strongly believe in it. I also have another point to support that theory, which I’ll mention later in this message.

2. Alicia’s Search:
The theory you proposed about Chloe being the daughter of Nancy and Gavin is a solid one. Now, if you recall, in the pre-climax of Part 15, Alicia asks the MC to find two people. This is just a guess, but I believe one of those two could be either Chloe or Marilyn. Alicia might’ve learned something from John’s past and was on a mission to track it down.

3. The Gargoyle:
As far as I understand, gargoyles are typically used in architecture, particularly on rooftops. Since John runs Magic Grand, a real estate company, it makes sense for him to own a gargoyle. But here’s the twist — if it’s just a normal gargoyle, why would John emphasize its return to the MC? I remember reading somewhere that gargoyles are sometimes used in occult practices. I believe John engages in supernatural activities and possesses powers himself. That could also explain how Marilyn inherited her powers (again, aligning with one of your earlier theories). This is the connection I hinted at in the beginning.

4. The Climax:
In the climax of Part 15, Jenny is shown on a date with John. Now, I have two possible theories here:


1. Is it really Jenny, or her sick twin Martha?
Since they are twins, Orb might be using the same character model for both. This could lead to a twist similar to Christopher Nolan’s The Prestige.

2. Could MC actually be Jenny’s child, not Martha’s?
You previously suggested that MC might be the child of John and Martha. But I suspect it might be Jenny instead. John and Jenny may have had a relationship in the past, and—similar to Marilyn’s spell—John might’ve used a magical spell on Jenny that erased her memories of it. He could now be trying to bring both MC and Jenny back into his life.


Also, if you recall Alicia’s first appearance (in Part 10 or 11, I believe), she mentions that John had never hired any male employees. She felt strange seeing MC, as he was the only male she had ever seen working under John. This could further hint at a biological connection between MC and John.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this, Optimus Prime and JOK3ERXXX.

1 & 3 Theory: I did recall J0K3RXXX did mention a theory that Marilyn's true intentions are to get revenge on John, and her crush on Nicole is a lie, so she has an excuse to hang out with MC (US). And you're correct that we haven't seen Marilyn's parents, but I do recall that she mentioned that she currently lives with her Grandma. I also recall that Marilyn's mom was the first MILF that MC (US) was attracted to.

I do find this theory interesting, that Marilyn could be John's illegitimate daughter, and she's out for revenge on him. But we need more evidence, or if someone can remind me why she wants revenge against John.

I would also like to add that while both Marilyn and Chloe are at the hospital together in the same room, Marilyn was having a deep conversation with an unconscious Chloe. Perhaps that could be another evidence that her revenge plan is almost complete.

3 & 4 (Sub 1 & 2 theory):

#3 Theory: The theory that John could be psychic too will be a real surprise, and it can fit given John's character.

4 (Sub 1 theory): I don't recall the game ever mentioning that Jenny and Aunt Martha are twins. If you or anyone can tell me which chapter in the game it was mentioned, I would really appreciate that. Because when you mentioned that they are twins, I was really surprised, but I need confirmation first. You also mentioned that Jenny and Martha could be sharing the same character model. But whatever the case is, if either one of them turns out ot be true in Part 16, that would be a surprise and a plot twist.

But if it turns out to be that John is having dinner with Aunt Martha, the cliffhanger by the end of Part 15 is potentially our first look at her.

4 (Sub 2 theory): This is an interesting theory and a surprising one, too. I just have a question if the cliffhanger we saw in Part 15 was like a spell ritual to bring back her memories, but why is John making an effort to get rid of MC (US) if he wants to bring back MC (US) and Jenny to his life?

If I recall correctly, I've mentioned on several occasions the theory or possibility that Marilyn is using MC as a pawn in a secret plan to get revenge on John (and for that, perhaps she is lying or exaggerating about her infatuation with Nicole). I base this on the strange absence of Marilyn's parents and the fact that she currently lives with her grandmother (whom we haven't seen her in the game yet, while we only know that her mother was the first MILF that MC ever noticed when he was just a kid), since it's possible that her family was previously affected by one of John's Machiavellian business plans, without ruling out the possibility that the real reason for these revenge schemes was that Marilyn is an illegitimate daughter of John Heavens.

However, it's also possible that it's nothing and that we're simply overestimating John's evil and reproductive abilities based on the hard data we have about him and his actions.

As for Alicia's search for two people, it's interesting if you relate it to that possible theory about Nanci and Gavin's unknown daughter, but I'm leaning toward another mystery: the Baker sisters and the mystery of their parents' deaths. It's very strange that John would have that information on his computer unless he has something planned for it, although it's true that it could be just a matter of having all the possible background information on his employees' pasts.

On the other hand, the fact that a gargoyle was stolen from him and that he wants it back so much, to the point of reconsidering his position of taking MC away from the city and giving him a job in the city where Aunt Martha lives, sounds like it might be an object that perhaps has a secret compartment where he has kept something very important or that perhaps has a certain psychic nature that helps him develop powers similar to Marilyn's (And what better way to apply his possible powers to the fact that he is Marilyn's biological father?).

Regarding the fourth point, I would completely rule out that the woman in the cliffhanger of Part 15 was not Jenny, MC's mother, based on what the game code states (and remember that when the game wants to hide a person's identity, it adds it to its code). As for MC being Jenny and John's son, but her forgetting the truth about his paternity and the fact that she had a forbidden relationship with John, that seems more far-fetched to me than the possibility I described above. But since with Orb, you can't be sure until the very end, I have my opinions, but I wouldn't put my hand in the fire for them.

"Hey, can anyone confirm whether Jenny and Aunt Martha are actually twins?" I feel yes because I remember once JOK3RXXX mentioning about this. Hey JOK3RXXX you are the only one who can confirm this.

If I recall correctly, twins were mentioned in the thread, given the possibility of Nicole getting pregnant with twins and the likelihood of that happening if one of the parents had a twin.

The only thing that has been mentioned for sure about (possible) brothers of the main characters of the game are that Nicole casually mentioned to MC that she was not an only child when she was trying to bribe MC with money and a down payment for an apartment in order to convince him to leave her daughter Chloe.

 

[Carl Sagan 42]

Regarding the fourth point, I would completely rule out that the woman in the cliffhanger of Part 15 was not Jenny, MC's mother, based on what the game code states (and remember that when the game wants to hide a person's identity, it adds it to its code). As for MC being Jenny and John's son, but her forgetting the truth about his paternity and the fact that she had a forbidden relationship with John, that seems more far-fetched to me than the possibility I described above. But since with Orb, you can't be sure until the very end, I have my opinions, but I wouldn't put my hand in the fire for them.

Game code ? Are you talking about the actual code of this game ? Did you see it ?

I'm curious about the climax of Part 15. What do you think John said to Jenny that made her agree to that candlelight dinner? She clearly received a message about something. Could he have blackmailed her by threatening to reveal a secret from her past?

 

[Optimus69420]

I do have an answer for this. Firstly, either he possessed Jenny or he blackmailed her with something. Once he got his hands on Jenny, he could start blackmailing MC threatening that if MC doesn't obey, he’ll harm Jenny just like he did with Silvia. His ultimate goal is to get to MC, but the only way to do that is through Jenny.

I just find it strange and weird that he's going through an effort to get rid of him and also threatening MC (OUR) mother. And at the same time, he wants both back in his life. Kind of a weird and evil plan if you ask me.

As for Alicia's search for two people, it's interesting if you relate it to that possible theory about Nanci and Gavin's unknown daughter, but I'm leaning toward another mystery: the Baker sisters and the mystery of their parents' deaths. It's very strange that John would have that information on his computer unless I have something planned for it, although it's true that it could be just a matter of having all the possible background information on his employees' pasts.

This is a possibility and an interesting one. It could provide a good excuse to see the sisters again and wrap that story arc.

Tia Martha lives,

Who's Tia Martha? Are you referring to MC's (OUR) Aunt Martha?

If I recall correctly, twins were mentioned in the thread, given the possibility of Nicole getting pregnant with twins and the likelihood of that happening if one of the parents had a twin.

When you mentioned "Nicole getting pregnant with twins," are we theorizing that she's currently pregnant with MC (OUR) twins? And that MC (US) and Nicole are going to have twins?

Or are we theorizing that Nicole got pregnant with twins, but either both died at childbirth, or were stillborn children, or she had a miscarriage?

I do have another theory. If Nicole got pregnant with twins and gave birth to them, and John did a switcheroo at the hospital, there is a possibility that those two twins are still alive. I'm suggesting that Nicole's twins could be the Baker sisters. What do you think?

The only thing that has been mentioned for sure about (possible) brothers of the main characters of the game are that Nicole casually mentioned to MC that she was not an only child when she was trying to bribe MC with money and a down payment for an apartment in order to convince him to leave her daughter Chloe.

So are you saying that Nicole's siblings might appear in the game?

On the other hand, the fact that a gargoyle was stolen from him and that he wants it back so much, to the point of reconsidering his position of taking MC away from the city and giving him a job in the city where Tia Martha lives, sounds like it might be an object that perhaps has a secret compartment where he has kept something very important or that perhaps has a certain psychic nature that helps him develop powers similar to Marilyn's (And what better way to apply his possible powers to the fact that he is Marilyn's biological father?).

The secret compartment on the Gargoyle was my initial theory, but when I think about it, could it perhaps hold something beneficial to MC (US)? Could Alicia have opened the Gargoyle already and sought out MC (US) for help, and when we help Alicia find the two people she's looking for in exhange, she shares the information she found on the gargoyle?

I'm not ruling out the possibility that the Gargoyle could be related to a psychic ritual. This is an interesting theory

 

[J0K3RXXX]

Game code ? Are you talking about the actual code of this game ? Did you see it ?

I'm curious about the climax of Part 15. What do you think John said to Jenny that made her agree to that candlelight dinner? She clearly received a message about something. Could he have blackmailed her by threatening to reveal a secret from her past?

To try to find the game code in one with AML features, I think that you must have an unren decoder (because the files are so heavy that if you use only Python, only hieroglyphics will appear) and Python (after decoding those files with unren) to read the game files. However, you should ask a forum member with more computer expertise. I'm sure they'll help you soon.

As for what could be in that message, considering that Jenny was focused on reading it when she was interrupted by her husband and then told him that maybe they should listen to MC, it's possible that John spoke to her in a language that was not at all subtle or with a subtlety that Jenny picked up on at first, but can't back out now unless they lose John's financial support for her sister's heart surgery (who we don't know if she is Jenny's twin or not).

Who's Tia Martha? Are you referring to MC's (OUR) Aunt Martha?

Yes, I was referring to Aunt Martha. It was a Google Translator typo. I've found a few more, so I've modified my comment.

When you mentioned "Nicole getting pregnant with twins," are we theorizing that she's currently pregnant with MC (OUR) twins? And that MC (US) and Nicole are going to have twins?

Or are we theorizing that Nicole got pregnant with twins, but either both died at childbirth, or were stillborn children, or she had a miscarriage?

I do have another theory. If Nicole got pregnant with twins and gave birth to them, and John did a switcheroo at the hospital, there is a possibility that those two twins are still alive. I'm suggesting that Nicole's twins could be the Baker sisters. What do you think?

If I recall correctly, the topic of twins was brought up in this thread, right around the time you, I, and other forum members were discussing Nicole's upcoming pregnancy as a result of her secret encounters with MC. Some said they preferred a boy, others a girl, but later it was mentioned that the ideal scenario would be for her to have twins, a boy and a girl.

The fan theory that Chloe isn't John and Nicole's biological daughter does use the idea that Nicole was unconscious when she gave birth to a stillborn baby girl, but not anything about twins. This is because neither Nicole nor John mentions Chloe being adopted, and Nicole genuinely believes she's pregnant with MC's child based on her previous experience with Chloe. However, if Chloe isn't her real biological daughter, Nicole must have been unconscious so John could pull off the "switch" to make his wife believe it.

However, I have come up with another theory that might explain all the facts we know and justify the theories about a vengeful Marilyn and Chloe not being John and Nicole's biological daughter: that both Chloe and another girl (or two another girls, and one of them could be Marilyn herself) were born on the same date or a day next to each other and that a switch (accidental or deliberate) occurred at the hospital whereby John and Nicole's real daughter was raised by another family while Chloe was raised by John and Nicole. Marilyn could have found out the truth thanks to her powers or the hypothetical fact that it was her mother who made that switch and she confessed it to her, she would be helping MC to really get closer to Nicole and John and find out if they are her real parents or not. And as for that attraction that Marilyn feels for Nicole, it could be justified by that strange syndrome of genetic sexual attraction (if I remember correctly, it is based on the fact that two genetic relatives but who do not know their true common relationship meet later and an innate sexual attraction occurs).

So are you saying that Nicole's siblings might appear in the game?

Maybe. Orb doesn't usually make a stitch without a thread.

The secret compartment on the Gargoyle was my initial theory, but when I think about it, could it perhaps hold something beneficial to MC (US)? Could Alicia have opened the Gargoyle already and sought out MC (US) for help, and when we help Alicia find the two people she's looking for in exhange, she shares the information she found on the gargoyle?

I'm not ruling out the possibility that the Gargoyle could be related to a psychic ritual. This is an interesting theory

It's an interesting theory that the gargoyle's contents may have something to do with MC. We'll have to wait for Orb to show us what's inside when MC fulfills Alice's blackmail request.

 

[Optimus69420]

Yes, I was referring to Aunt Martha. It was a Google Translator typo. I've found a few more, so I've modified my comment.

Ohhh ok. Thank you for confirming.

If I recall correctly, the topic of twins was brought up in this thread, right around the time you, I, and other forum members were discussing Nicole's upcoming pregnancy as a result of her secret encounters with MC. Some said they preferred a boy, others a girl, but later it was mentioned that the ideal scenario would be for her to have twins, a boy and a girl.

Ohhh ok, I remember now. I prefer Nicole and MC (US) having twins because number one is because of personal preference (when the time comes when I become a parent, I would want to have twins), and second, it will be a very interesting story and a plot twist.

The fan theory that Chloe isn't John and Nicole's biological daughter does use the idea that Nicole was unconscious when she gave birth to a stillborn baby girl, but not anything about twins. This is because neither Nicole nor John mentions Chloe being adopted, and Nicole genuinely believes she's pregnant with MC's child based on her previous experience with Chloe. However, if Chloe isn't her real biological daughter, Nicole must have been unconscious so John could pull off the "switch" to make his wife believe it.

I would like to add to this theory. Since Nicole believes she is pregnant in the early parts, and it's revealed that she is, and which is now confirmed. When Nicole gave birth to a stillborn baby girl, and when the doctor on site told the bad news that the baby died at childbirth, it shocked Nicole very hard, leading her to come unconscious. While Nicole is in recovery, John is devastated by this news and figures out ways to fix it, not only for his pride, but also because he can't see Nicole having another tantrum. This is where he sees the true parents of Chloe, maybe it's Nanci, he makes a deal with them, and eventually adopts Chloe.

When Nicole wakes up, she sees her husband carrying Chloe in his arms, thinking that's the baby girl she gave birth to. But wait, so she doesn't remember that her baby died at childbirth? Yes, I believe the shocking news that led Nicole to be unconscious may mess up her memory, and John can use this to his advantage.

However, I have come up with another theory that might explain all the facts we know and justify the theories about a vengeful Marilyn and Chloe not being John and Nicole's biological daughter: that both Chloe and another girl (or two another girls, and one of them could be Marilyn herself) were born on the same date or a day next to each other and that a switch (accidental or deliberate) occurred at the hospital whereby John and Nicole's real daughter was raised by another family while Chloe was raised by John and Nicole. Marilyn could have found out the truth thanks to her powers or the hypothetical fact that it was her mother who made that switch and she confessed it to her, she would be helping MC to really get closer to Nicole and John and find out if they are her real parents or not. And as for that attraction that Marilyn feels for Nicole, it could be justified by that strange syndrome of genetic sexual attraction (if I remember correctly, it is based on the fact that two genetic relatives but who do not know their true common relationship meet later and an innate sexual attraction occurs).

So, in this theory, are you suggesting that Marilyn is John and Nicole's real daughter? If Marilyn's mother told her the truth, or she found the truth all by herself through her psychic powers. Her main motivation for revenge is that John and Nicole abandoned her; either it was accidental or deliberate?

Maybe. Orb doesn't usually make a stitch without a thread.

We just have to wait and see.

It's an interesting theory that the gargoyle's contents may have something to do with MC. We'll have to wait for Orb to show us what's inside when MC fulfills Alice's blackmail request.

It is, and you're correct that we have to wait and see once we fulfill Alicia's blackmail request.

 

[Raminita]

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[cxx]

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et tu brute? code never works (no idea why it even exists).

 

[J0K3RXXX]

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et tu brute? code never works (no idea why it even exists).

Thanks Raminita, although it doesn't work for me either.

PS: It works now. Thank you so much, Raminita.

 

[Optimus69420]

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Thank you so much, Raminita!

 

[oktabitt]

We will see a sexual scene with Abigali?