VN Ren'Py A Perfect Marriage [v0.7.4c] [Mr Palmer]

[Couto25]

You did whrite a lot for someone who don't want to argue about it anymore
And i wonder who called Anna slut? It turn out that U had read this long sentence with lot precipitation "either you're a slut from the start and you can't stay with one partner (example){......... (Anna's situation)or your desire made you and that's exactly Anna's case she had a start before suckin' the soul out of Chris"

Now your even comparin' the Dance with Alexa with Anna's ling pics and even want to play the irony card. Irony you said?I wonder what would you think about your pregnant wife gettin' a massage from the neighbor? Rob has such great hands righ?

Lack of communication is on David's first Always? That's hilarous.... how many time Anna get gropped? By whoever he is as a Bonus with David best friend.......this is weird to say and I'm consious of it.... I'll just said it as an example since with it their would be no story. If Anna had talk none of that shit would of happenned Chris would of been unable to manipulate her....David fault is too be a beta (I'm based on the meetin' with pregnant Anna,Hank and David) and also his sexually weak......whith i'm sure have solutions.....

Those are flashback Grant and Rob storyline....it has been argued before that we didnt get option the way MP presented the story...I am the one who wants Ana to cheat..but it's not my fault that MP didnt provided options to stop rob or grant on flashback. that will always remain a question mark...Those flashback scenes are made most probably to show that Ana has her own sexual desire....and i agree to it....I said it was just a small part of the story...I am not saying thats Ana sexual desire is not there inside her...I am just saying there are several other factors too on why Ana is going away from David...and that's not just because she has sexual desire....But mostly in present storyline...What we see is...David action and it's effect on Ana...That's how MP wrote the story...if you would have joined this forum when MP was active...he would had answered all your question.

Again Ana sent pic with nighty first...lingerie second time ...but anyways you asked the reason why she sent and i told you the reason as per the story. Now you're comparing how many times ana got groped..etc..If you remove flashback scenes...I said there are many reason and MP told those reason if you scroll 700 pages before you will find it somewhere i am sure...we have discussed it alot back that time..like why there is no option to stop Rob moves or grant moves to Ana..etc...The story is desigened that way..PART 1 was David background story and his actions...part 2 was his effect on Ana storyline and Ana individual choice on whether we want to save marriage or not....and part 3 was supposed to be kinetic..but we still get choices...but you get an idea on what I wanna say...so whatever Ana reacted is based on how david treated her. Andeither way whether David is faithful or not, we can corrupt Ana ....that's what MP said..if we played David as faithful and understanding and Ana as passive or corrupt then it's uncertain path where Ana can be saved...but if David is not understanding or David corrupt then it's Ana full corruption path...and offcourse for faithful path both Ana/David would have to be faithful. Those are 3 paths that MP designed.

And suppose if someone's wife enjoy massage and touches..what's wrong in that...the whole profession is made for that. How can someone give massage without touching? And massage is meant to relax and to be enjoyed. So you wanna say whoever took massage is a cheater in this world lol.

Second is he didn't threw girl on David side because MP is not interested to develop David path...if you play corrupt path of David...he might end up with kendra too.

 

[Menace o Santana]

Those are flashback Grant and Rob storyline....it has been argued before that we didnt get option the way MP presented the story...I am the one who wants Ana to cheat..but it's not my fault that MP didnt provided options to stop rob or grant on flashback. that will always remain a question mark...Those flashback scenes are made most probably to show that Ana has her own sexual desire....and i agree to it....I said it was just a small part of the story...I am not saying thats Ana sexual desire is not there inside her...I am just saying there are several other factors too on why Ana is going away from David...and that's not just because she has sexual desire....But mostly in present storyline...What we see is...David action and it's effect on Ana...That's how MP wrote the story...if you would have joined this forum when MP was active...he would had answered all your question.

Again Ana sent pic with nighty first...lingerie second time ...but anyways you asked the reason why she sent and i told you the reason as per the story. Now you're comparing how many times ana got groped..etc..If you remove flashback scenes...I said there are many reason and MP told those reason if you scroll 700 pages before you will find it somewhere i am sure...we have discussed it alot back that time..like why there is no option to stop Rob moves or grant moves to Ana..etc...The story is desigened that way..PART 1 was David background story and his actions...part 2 was his effect on Ana storyline and Ana individual choice on whether we want to save marriage or not....and part 3 was supposed to be kinetic..but we still get choices...but you get an idea on what I wanna say...so whatever Ana reacted is based on how david treated her.

There is many things you whrote either not related to our actual topic or contradictin' your own words...... I'm not lookin'for answer or askin' question expectin' the Dev to answer i could Always do that on Patreon I'm just tranna made a point based on the story. About flashback bein' avoidable i couldn't care less as long it is part of the story and contain mininmum logic in it.
If i had bring Rob flashback is not because i was expectin' it for me to had full control but for you to tell me what irony are you talkin' about?

..If you remove flashback scenes...I said there are many reason and MP told those reason if you scroll 700 pages before you will find it somewhere i am sure...we have discussed it alot back that time..like why there is no option to stop Rob moves or grant moves to Ana..etc...Th

Nah broh...... don't try to outsmart me with that move we can not exclude the flashback since it is Anna not another girl and again if i bring it it's not bacause there is no option .so the irony u talkin' about is only exist in your head and Anna's since she had been brainwashed kuz her pride and her spoiled teenager attitude

 

[Couto25]

No, it's not. It's not at all. Complicated is your line of defense because you know deep inside who is guilty* of this situation, but you just simply can't admit that.



You're blaming society and patriarchy, but somehow you failed to see that Anna sents this photos anyway, no matter if you argue with her or not.

So it is another empty and illogical argument from your side.

In my eyes, you guys try to defend something that can't be defended and you are messing up the facts on purpose... or just not paying attention to the story of this game.

Couto25
Update:

*I meant Anna, not you.

I get it lol..but see my point is I am not defending Ana's action. I am saying yes Ana has sexual desire but the outcome of the story no matter yes it's a porn website so we will see sexual outcomes only but there are many other factors that you are not watching as per continuation of story.

And there are many forced seen where we don't get options... you're just mentioning one thing saying Ana sent photo...so what?? There was reason of why Ana sent photo because Chris manipulated her saying he put his friendship on line with David and sent David pic with Alexia first and asked her favor in return. Now yes for faithful path, there should be option not to do it....grant flashback, hank , Rob flashback scenes are few other examples...Ana didn't stopped ...neither MP provided any option to stop other characters move.. it's because to show Ana has hidden sexual desire. MP was defining Ana's character during that time. And there's obviously sexual desire in everyone if you think about it. Again not defending her...it's normal. Where you touch someone even by mistake they'll get aroused.

I am not arguing or denying that Ana has no sexual desire but the thing which you are rejecting to accept is corrupt path for David and its effect on Ana. You might be playing by choosing faithful path for David and corrupting Ana then obviously that's a slut path. Like try playing David as jealous and not understanding then you will better understand Ana's corrupt storyline.

 

[Couto25]

There is many things you whrote either not related to our actual topic or contradictin' your own words...... I'm not lookin'for answer or askin' question expectin' the Dev to answer i could Always do that on Patreon I'm just tranna made a point based on the story. About flashback bein' avoidable i couldn't care less as long it is part of the story and contain mininmum logic in it.
If i had bring Rob flashback is not because i was expectin' it for me to had full control but for you to tell me what irony are you talkin' about?

Nah broh...... don't try to outsmart me with that move we can not exclude the flashback since it is Anna not another girl and again if i bring it it's not bacause there is no option .so the irony u talkin' about is only exist in your head and Anna's since she had been brainwashed kuz her pride and her spoiled teenager attitude

I m not trying to outsmart anything...few scenes are forced...MP decided not to put option there is not my fault..all faithful lovers were mad at him that time...but MP has its own reason and excuses for not putting options on flashback scenes..he said she's high on hormones and with grant he said she was emotional due to her father's death ... it's not my words, these are MP words. So these are not counted as unfaithful scene

 

[Menace o Santana]

I m not trying to outsmart anything...few scenes are forced...MP decided not to put option there is not my fault..all faithful lovers were mad at him that time...but MP has its own reason and excuses for not putting options on flashback scenes..he said she's high on hormones and with grant he said she was emotional due to her father's death ... it's not my words, these are MP words. So these are not counted as unfaithful scene

The thing is that I'm not talkin' about the scenes bein' forced. If i bring the flashback of Rob it's to show that Anna is an hypocrite and the irony u talkin' about can only be in her side........

 

[CURIOUS_1976]

Anna as a character is a woman after all.

Her contact with Chris was for her entertainment and massaging her own ego/validation.

David's fears were correct all along.

She enjoyed teasing, especially of older men and had done favours for men previously.

She had new sexual desire due to super hormones and was masterbating more, she had hid many things from her husband, Chris being back in contact opened up a door for her.

In my opinion she was never too far away from cheating physically as on occasion she had considered other men, Chris after meeting for the first time.

David was a safe husband, quite boring and all women want to be praised and there needs catered for.

I've tried to keep my thoughts to not involving any player made decisions.

 

[Couto25]

The thing is that I'm not talkin' about the scenes bein' forced. If i bring the flashback of Rob it's to show that Anna is an hypocrite and the irony u talkin' about can only be in her side........

I am not taking anyone's side..I am here to see Ana's sex. And want to see corrupt path ending. That's the only thing that interest me in this VN.. faithful path and uncertain path we all know they'll end up together as per original VN ..but for corrupt path I wanna see where it end up for David and Ana.

 

[Menace o Santana]

I am not taking anyone's side..

Your posts earlier said somethin' else

..I am here to see Ana's sex.

Do other people? And there is and will be story behind those sex scene and people just want to analyze the main cause and analyze how it could of been prevented. Nothin' fancy.

.I am here to see Ana's sex. And want to see corrupt path ending. That's the only thing that interest me in this VN.. faithful path and uncertain path we all know they'll end up together as per original VN ..but for corrupt path I wanna see where it end up for David and Ana.

I see...... But whatever path someone playin' he or she can alwase make analyze about the sofia,David and Anna's attitude kuz the're part of the story and if the only thing who interrest you in this game is Anna's sex know that i admire your patience.... and this whole arguments was pointless then.....it lead us nowhere than jumpin' on a lot of other topics non related to the actual one we were discussin' from the begennin'.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

MP introduced alot of situation together for Ana where any woman on this earth will tear apart.
1. Her father was strict with her.
2. David cheated on her atleast that's what she think and no one has any proof for his innocence. She has proof from others that he did cheated on her. Her previous bf wanted hardcore sex advantage of her physically
3. Work boss and colleagues where she try to hangout and work hard are trying to take advantage of her weakness...like Hank trying to take advantage of her daddy issues and want to sexually harass her by spanking her and kissing her everyday, Kendra want to know more about her and alcohol obviously.
4. David trying to get back to her without proof and trying to get custody of sophia too.
5. She knows David company doesnt have money, so she need extra money too for taking care of her daughter. David also hide his own company details and always act jealous of wherever she goes or whoever she wanna spend time with.
6. Her hormones , sexually dissatisfied all the time. David wanted his sexual BJ fantasy that she hated previously about his own ex bf. So he's also not understanding.
7. She try to open up in office that she consider as friend and she is opening to David ex Kendra who is throwing her sexually to everyone.

I mean in corrupt path, MP introduced all these obstacles in Ana's life where she has no father. We don't know much about her mother yet. But she's trying to consult about her problems with her doc ...I mean if any girl goes through these 6/7 issues where her future is at stake..where none of her husband friend is there to support her not even his Best Man. Where will she open up to?? She will break up...It's not a corrupt path...MP has created a disaster situation for ANA where she cant be herself for fun in her workplace or home or friends. Her boss want to spank and kissing her.

I mean a normal woman would have done suicide where for money she has to go through sexual harassment on work then hear from husband who went to cheat on her...or she will find someone else to love or take care of atleast one of her few situation as sexual desire or finance or care for her few problems mentioned above ..that MP created for Ana and that's what she is searching for......I am surprised she survived 2 weeks without getting fucked or suicide. And here as a gamer people judge her as slut lol. Man it's sad life for Ana in corrupt path. I mean none of the women life/situation will be so complicated as Ana that's for sure.

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MP introduced alot of situation together for Ana where any woman on this earth will tear apart.
1. Her father was strict with her. A little of an understatement. There is "strict" and then there Anna's father
2. David cheated on her atleast that's what she think and no one has any proof for his innocence. She has proof from others that he did cheated on her. Her previous bf wanted hardcore sex advantage of her physically Now the intel she is getting from others is unfortunate since its all false and misleading and that is one Hell of an obstacle to overcome and something that really isn't Anna's fault. **Now what I find interesting is how Anna has described letting men getting away with things they have done to her. It accounts for a lot based on what has happened so far.
3. Work boss and colleagues where she try to hangout and work hard are trying to take advantage of her weakness...like Hank trying to take advantage of her daddy issues and want to sexually harass her by spanking her and kissing her everyday, Kendra want to know more about her and alcohol obviously. More bad luck for Anna to be surrounded by such lowlifes. Not Anna's fault for others' behaviors and might even be forgiven for being so naive. However Anna still is aware of right and wrong, and it will be a reoccurring theme.
4. David trying to get back to her without proof and trying to get custody of sophia too. As stupid as David is, even he has to ponder bad outcome possibilities. The real question which is more damning, Anna's naivety or David's bad judgement of people. At nearly every step David could have made it much more difficult for Kendra to poison his marriage, starting with not even talking to Alexia. Maybe it ought to have occurred to David that Anna wouldn't like him getting friendly with Alexia... there was no game choice to "politely excuse himself and walk away from Alexia"...but there wouldn't have been a game
5. She knows David company doesnt have money, so she need extra money too for taking care of her daughter. David also hide his own company details and always act jealous of wherever she goes or whoever she wanna spend time with. Defects in David's personality. Even had David told Anna early on, about his company's situation it would still have been a stress on the marriage. The smart move for David would be to try and save the business but update the resume and keep an eye open for another job.
6. Her hormones, sexually dissatisfied all the time. David wanted his sexual BJ fantasy that she hated previously about his own ex bf. So he's also not understanding. One, David really isn't that good in bed, premature ejaculation--ya! an issue. He couldn't have gone down on Anna first...? True enough somethings people are not into, like BJs. One would think by now David would know what Anna likes and doesn't like.
7. She try to open up in office that she considers as friend and she is opening to David ex Kendra who is throwing her sexually to everyone. Yes... Kendra going around the office selling out Anna as a slut where she is or isn't, shouldn't have an impact on Anna... listening to Kendra's advice, that's on Anna. But Anna is making herself a useful idiot for Kendra's plans.

I mean in corrupt path, MP introduced all these obstacles in Ana's life where she has no father. That seriously goes to your first point. Yes, Anna balked and rebelled (with Grant's help) but never too much--we can assume Anna felt safe and protect within her father's influence and now that he's gone and now with Hank playing the daddy card Anna is vulnerable. We don't know much about her mother yet. But she's trying to consult about her problems with her doc I just wonder if the doctor will give Anna some bad advice that makes things worst...I mean if any girl goes through these 6/7 issues where her future is at stake..where none of her husband friend is there to support her not even his Best Man. Now if anywhere, anyone can find fault in Anna is her current relationship with Chris {David's best friend}. Anna has to know that any sexual attention from Chris is cause for her to keep Chris at arm's length. No degree of naivety can close that circle that such behaviors is acceptable... so there should not have been those chats/texts or conversations in the beginning--later on in desperation, maybe Anna would foolishly seek out Chris' help... and end up in teh same position she is in now. Where will she open up to?? She will break up...It's not a corrupt path...MP has created a disaster situation for ANA where she can't be herself for fun in her workplace or home or friends. Her boss want to spank and kissing her. It happens and that's Hank's fault...and Marvin's... and Jake... and Timothy and Dale... It becomes Anna's fault if she gives in because she knows better. But... and it's a big but... Anna is human with all the good, and bad that is human nature. In general women know having sex leads to getting pregnant, and yet still there are a lot of unwanted pregnancies out there-- just saying to make a point.

I mean a normal woman would have done suicide where for money she has to go through sexual harassment on work then hear from husband who went to cheat on her... or withdraw inwardly not letting anyone get close to her or she will find someone else to love or take care of at least one of her few situations as sexual desire or finance or care for her few problems mentioned above. The whole hormone thing is a little too much a theme. Yes, it doesn't help but it doesn't make women Slut Monsters... being very sexual, that can be very normal for people, but as you say add up all these stresses and add in anger of David's betrayal and now Anna comparing his short comings to those around her ..that MP created for Ana and that's what she is searching for......I am surprised she survived 2 weeks without getting fucked or suicide. And here as a gamer people judge her as slut lol. Man it's sad life for Ana in corrupt path. I mean none of the women life/situation will be so complicated as Ana that's for sure. As much as David and Anna are victims to the world around them and other's evil plans, the defects of their marriage are getting exposed. Does pose a good question though... EVEN IF DAVID AND ANNA FIND A WAY BACK would it be better to move on from each other, or go through all the pains of therapy that may or may not resolve their own flaws

 

[harrypotter456]

Watching your discussions is almost as interesting as playing this game. The game is exellent btw

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Watching your discussions is almost as interesting as playing this game. The game is exellent btw

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Actually I hope Mr. Palmer is reviewing the back and forth on these topics. The 'troll' comments he is milking it or distracting from the work are not helpful in the least. However, peoples' interpretations of what they are seeing with in the characters ought to help in his production of the game:

First, if we are missing a point MP is trying to make, he can craft the dialogue and scenes to clear up what his vision is
Second, it gives MP useful feedback if his points are getting across
Third, it may give MP areas where to focus on

 

[Couto25]

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MP introduced alot of situation together for Ana where any woman on this earth will tear apart.
1. Her father was strict with her. A little of an understatement. There is "strict" and then there Anna's father
2. David cheated on her atleast that's what she think and no one has any proof for his innocence. She has proof from others that he did cheated on her. Her previous bf wanted hardcore sex advantage of her physically Now the intel she is getting from others is unfortunate since its all false and misleading and that is one Hell of an obstacle to overcome and something that really isn't Anna's fault. **Now what I find interesting is how Anna has described letting men getting away with things they have done to her. It accounts for a lot based on what has happened so far.
3. Work boss and colleagues where she try to hangout and work hard are trying to take advantage of her weakness...like Hank trying to take advantage of her daddy issues and want to sexually harass her by spanking her and kissing her everyday, Kendra want to know more about her and alcohol obviously. More bad luck for Anna to be surrounded by such lowlifes. Not Anna's fault for others' behaviors and might even be forgiven for being so naive. However Anna still is aware of right and wrong, and it will be a reoccurring theme.
4. David trying to get back to her without proof and trying to get custody of sophia too. As stupid as David is, even he has to ponder bad outcome possibilities. The real question which is more damning, Anna's naivety or David's bad judgement of people. At nearly every step David could have made it much more difficult for Kendra to poison his marriage, starting with not even talking to Alexia. Maybe it ought to have occurred to David that Anna wouldn't like him getting friendly with Alexia... there was no game choice to "politely excuse himself and walk away from Alexia"...but there wouldn't have been a game
5. She knows David company doesnt have money, so she need extra money too for taking care of her daughter. David also hide his own company details and always act jealous of wherever she goes or whoever she wanna spend time with. Defects in David's personality. Even had David told Anna early on, about his company's situation it would still have been a stress on the marriage. The smart move for David would be to try and save the business but update the resume and keep an eye open for another job.
6. Her hormones, sexually dissatisfied all the time. David wanted his sexual BJ fantasy that she hated previously about his own ex bf. So he's also not understanding. One, David really isn't that good in bed, premature ejaculation--ya! an issue. He couldn't have gone down on Anna first...? True enough somethings people are not into, like BJs. One would think by now David would know what Anna likes and doesn't like.
7. She try to open up in office that she considers as friend and she is opening to David ex Kendra who is throwing her sexually to everyone. Yes... Kendra going around the office selling out Anna as a slut where she is or isn't, shouldn't have an impact on Anna... listening to Kendra's advice, that's on Anna. But Anna is making herself a useful idiot for Kendra's plans.

I mean in corrupt path, MP introduced all these obstacles in Ana's life where she has no father. That seriously goes to your first point. Yes, Anna balked and rebelled (with Grant's help) but never too much--we can assume Anna felt safe and protect within her father's influence and now that he's gone and now with Hank playing the daddy card Anna is vulnerable. We don't know much about her mother yet. But she's trying to consult about her problems with her doc I just wonder if the doctor will give Anna some bad advice that makes things worst...I mean if any girl goes through these 6/7 issues where her future is at stake..where none of her husband friend is there to support her not even his Best Man. Now if anywhere, anyone can find fault in Anna is her current relationship with Chris {David's best friend}. Anna has to know that any sexual attention from Chris is cause for her to keep Chris at arm's length. No degree of naivety can close that circle that such behaviors is acceptable... so there should not have been those chats/texts or conversations in the beginning--later on in desperation, maybe Anna would foolishly seek out Chris' help... and end up in teh same position she is in now. Where will she open up to?? She will break up...It's not a corrupt path...MP has created a disaster situation for ANA where she can't be herself for fun in her workplace or home or friends. Her boss want to spank and kissing her. It happens and that's Hank's fault...and Marvin's... and Jake... and Timothy and Dale... It becomes Anna's fault if she gives in because she knows better. But... and it's a big but... Anna is human with all the good, and bad that is human nature. In general women know having sex leads to getting pregnant, and yet still there are a lot of unwanted pregnancies out there-- just saying to make a point.

I mean a normal woman would have done suicide where for money she has to go through sexual harassment on work then hear from husband who went to cheat on her... or withdraw inwardly not letting anyone get close to her or she will find someone else to love or take care of at least one of her few situations as sexual desire or finance or care for her few problems mentioned above. The whole hormone thing is a little too much a theme. Yes, it doesn't help but it doesn't make women Slut Monsters... being very sexual, that can be very normal for people, but as you say add up all these stresses and add in anger of David's betrayal and now Anna comparing his short comings to those around her ..that MP created for Ana and that's what she is searching for......I am surprised she survived 2 weeks without getting fucked or suicide. And here as a gamer people judge her as slut lol. Man it's sad life for Ana in corrupt path. I mean none of the women life/situation will be so complicated as Ana that's for sure. As much as David and Anna are victims to the world around them and other's evil plans, the defects of their marriage are getting exposed. Does pose a good question though... EVEN IF DAVID AND ANNA FIND A WAY BACK would it be better to move on from each other, or go through all the pains of therapy that may or may not resolve their own flaws

That's how it end on original story...they cut themselves from social media and everyone...and live together away from whole corrupt world. That's how marriage is saved.

 

[MaIiwan]

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5 When will come? Year 2026 ?

 

[Adhdclassic]

Gotta admit the forum conversations is becoming more interesting than the game.

 

[sslovoe]

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5 When will come? Year 2026 ?

yah
i think this longest time game ever not post peek for 25 day

think we need Celtic break this record

 

[sslovoe]

Gotta admit the forum conversations is becoming more interesting than the game.

i think 25 day wait peek group need some relieve or chat will become more burning

 

[Couto25]

i think 25 day wait peek group need some relieve or chat will become more burning
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Should have opened up his patreon pvt chats for free members too lol. He would have got a backlash for every update...that's why he left this forum lol.

 

[Enola Gay]

Should have opened up his patreon pvt chats for free members too lol. He would have got a backlash for every update...that's why he left this forum lol.

Yep, it is a shame though... It's always nice to talk with Dev about his/her game.

 

[Couto25]

Yep, it is a shame though... It's always nice to talk with Dev about his/her game.

Even in pvt chats, he did respond very less. He mostly appear during sneek peak or when there is some update regarding game like if there is going to be delay or if members asking about any update for a week..then he come up with something..well there are lots of members anyways...so he might get alot of queries anyways..and couldn't focus on work...but while his developer build renders for him, he could reply those time. Idk ...like 2/3 days he can give from a week of his time to clear doubts.

 

[jodany]

Sneak peek 5 is out