Menace o Santana

The world☯Shall Know Me...
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This is why Patreon sucks and should be replaced by Steam. Steam is for us “the players”not the devs. We only make a one time payment to the game on Steam and then we get every update and it doesn’t matter how long the wait is, when it gets dropped you get it on day 1, no more stupid tiers having to wait weeks or more for yours.
I believe Patreon sucks but not b/c of the month or annual payment. I mean some dev it is there full time job but other have side jobs and their income will not be enough to develop the game in the great way it supposed to be, it is even more complicated when dev have other mouths to feed. The problem is after 2-3 years the dev v'been spoiled too much and then start feelin' lazy. I'm not sayin' it is the case for Mr Palmer but some dev even invent situation to have more time of slackin'. Like takin' the confrontation of Ukrainia vs russia as an excuse, i'll avoid mentionnin' this dev name,those who know you know.
 

TonyMurray

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Apr 8, 2024
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you're wrong, on steam you buy a finished product, you pay for it, and you return it if it's not good, on patreon you pay the creator to make you the game, monthly, with no guarantees on anything, if it will be good, if the game will be finished, you'll never know how long it will take, yes they are different, but in a way that is too scary, in fact, there wouldn't even be a comparison, you're talking about a mountain (STEAM) versus a hill (PATREON)
You've just made the exact point I'm talking about. There's no comparing them because they are not the same. Well done, you.

(P.S. You've also just made the common misconception that on Patreon you're paying the creator to make you the game. This shows that you do not understand what Patreon is and how it works.)
 

Couto25

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Oct 7, 2023
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I believe Patreon sucks but not b/c of the month or annual payment. I mean some dev it is there full time job but other have side jobs and their income will not be enough to develop the game in the great way it supposed to be, it is even more complicated when dev have other mouths to feed. The problem is after 2-3 years the dev v'been spoiled too much and then start feelin' lazy. I'm not sayin' it is the case for Mr Palmer but some dev even invent situation to have more time of slackin'. Like takin' the confrontation of Ukrainia vs russia as an excuse, i'll avoid mentionnin' this dev name,those who know you know.
The best thing is what he said for this delay lol...He said he has job, family thing n couldn't complete it...I mean that's what we already know when he said he took this project as a side job. It maybe because trump arrived then he has to do his main job seriously lol.
When he says 4.5 months, we already assume that he has time for project beside his job n family to provide updates after 4.5 months. Unless events like holidays or hurricane. Now if this will be the reason for delay then I don't know how much normal update will take.. probably 6 months.
 

sslovoe

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May 11, 2017
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people are gonna continue justifying this and keep on paying. This shouldn't matter to us if we are not paying.
400 supporter this something without release game for 4 month get 4k/m its business and bad thing every month fan get one peek this really generous ,,, thx you note
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we can stand with him cry with him he have family,, Vacation ,, xmas ,,,, rain,,, finger cut
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DIRTY FILTHY Animal

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you're wrong, on steam you buy a finished product, you pay for it, and you return it if it's not good, on patreon you pay the creator to make you the game, monthly, with no guarantees on anything, if it will be good, if the game will be finished, you'll never know how long it will take, yes they are different, but in a way that is too scary, in fact, there wouldn't even be a comparison, you're talking about a mountain (STEAM) versus a hill (PATREON)
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WRONG, steam is not just for completed games skippy.
I signed up for “ fates of life” for 9.99 one time fee as soon as he moved it to steam and got every chapter since the same day it dropped (no more tiers) and they made enough money just from steam to finish this game and now working on the sequel which I’ll still get without having to pay anymore
 

metagrossrj

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400 supporter this something without release game for 4 month get 4k/m its business and bad thing every month fan get one peek this really generous ,,, thx you note
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we can stand with him cry with him he have family,, Vacation ,, xmas ,,,, rain,,, finger cut
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Don't forget that after family vacation, xmas, new years, and now most recently "spring break time", easter is coming up next month.
 

SinisterDuck

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Btw, its like you don't know paradox and warhammr studios or recent AAA games, almost all these games come out unfinished and the devs launched DLC with features that should be in the base game, just to name a few games like CK3(crusader kings 3), Stellaris, must Ubisoft games etc.
You also see devs who start charging per release on Steam, rather than a single payment for a game. Releasing on Steam just means different forms of abuse, not an elimination of the abuse.
 

tlac

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Sep 11, 2022
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Don't forget that after family vacation, xmas, new years, and now most recently "spring break time", easter is coming up next month.
Sure but he obviously has a family life and there's little he can do about that.
What surprise me tough is that he began the game with such constraints. Hoping he will manage to get through despite this. In which case a slow burn game is not the best scenario.
 

sslovoe

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May 11, 2017
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can't wait to see the next update
all fan here was exciting waiting delay after delay
but this last pause excuse kill this group become no active anymore lot stop believe his reason now
for me after see this group have no active now and also they put rule only here not share any fan art and child report

this game will be like other game when come will get free link
 
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