Well, although I'm not a fan of good endings in NTR, I guess I will go through them in the first game to enhance the corruption in this one lol.
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I think Asian people simply understand the full sentiment of NTR better than Westerners do, considering the actual term for NTR is Netorare, a Japanese word, goes to explain the reason why, similar with how nobody understand schadenfreude like a German. The reality is the people in the West have that Alpha / Beta Male imagine, so basically you either are a winner or a loser, and if you are one you are nearly always one, so every Western Devs make NTR being entirely one sided, namely on the side of the 'Alpha', so the 'Alpha' virtually always succeed to some degree in those game and get away with it most of the time without any negative, with rare exceptions.
Ultimatly NTR Fans & Devs in the West are typically masochists they are in to feel pain and humiliation, without bothering about about in fullifying the full cycle of mid-low-high, see the reality is proper NTR should be about a cycle of feelings: neutral at the beginning, feeling low when your romantic interest get stolen and finally feeling high when you get retribution. The problem is since masochists are the driving force for that genre in the West it means their 'high' is the low of everybody else, they feel good when they feel bad, so they strive on that emotional low and don't comprehend how for anybody else its a shit development and you need to have a high at the end to make is satisfying for everybody else.
I believe in Asia they accept such concepts better, because they don't have that Alpha & Beta bullshit mindset, they tend to consider things when it comes to 'winners and losers' to be a more flexible matter and that someone can change from one to the other and thus tend to have stories with the full cycle of NTR which depict effectively character growth from a loser to a winner at the end, and they don't write those stories in the optic of satisfying masochists so much as in the optic of wanting to convey the feeling of loss followed by the feeling of elation that comes from having recovered from that loss to reach victory. Basically its meant to be effectively an emotional rollercoster, rather than the emotional crash that Western based NTR stories seem to drive for.
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I have been reading a lot of manhwa too. Illicit love was a decent one. Dual residence has a good revenge arc at the end. I'm currently reading Give me back my wife and also Young ceo. Young ceo is close to be done. Its going really badly for the husband. The cow wife and ceo douche are probably going to have a big mega happy ending while the poor husband get his life destroyed out of their betrayal
Thats why I love NTR. The stories are so shocking and engaging that you can't stop reading
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typical game focused on ntr which for me doesn't cause any discomfort lol...I liked the art, if it also had an incest tag I would even try it
good luck
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So, just like what a legend, this game is made by a couple, the dude is the writer and the woman is the artist? what a twisted couple XD
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Noticed something similar to this. Western 'NTR Devs' tend to be more into cuckoldry as a fetish, but they still label it as NTR.
In western cuckoldry, the cuck is supposed to lose. He's supposed to be humiliated. That's the whole point of the kink. But, as you said, Japanese NTR is broader than that. Yes, you find a good deal of humiliation and suffering for the guy losing his girl, but from reading plenty (maybe too much) NTR, I know that humiliation and suffering are entirely optional. Very common, but optional.
And that's the misunderstanding that causes these arguments: Western 'cucks' are confusing their cuckoldry fetish with eastern 'Netorare'.
Having the cuck get revenge or move on in western cuckoldry would ruin the fetish.
Having the MC get revenge or move on after his lover betrays him doesn't ruin NTR. The only people who feel that it does are people who have a cuckoldry fetish. Not an NTR fetish.
I've learned not to bother arguing with western cucks who mislabel their fetish as NTR. As long as Japan keeps on producing actual NTR, I'll be good.
Also, the abbreviation for Netorase is NTS, not NTR. Netorase actually has more in common with western cuckoldry than Netorare does.
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Most recent Japanese VN I've played that is a good example of the different ways a story can pan out and still be NTR:
Wife's Pussy Transformed while I'm Away [Final] [ANIM.teamMM]
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I thought the same, but unfortunately our beloved dev doesn't see the need for a ending like that, even 40% of his fans wants that, but it's not relevant as we see
Finally! Another thread of APBLU full of essay replies about NTR morality!
I do not see how you can have a happy ending in a traditional NTR game. As I see it the only way it could work is if the MC just walks off into the sunset or hooks up with some random chick, thus relegating the prior LI to 'someone I used to know'. Otherwise it requires some kind of reconciliation and that is the road to cuckoldry or simptown.
Even if the MC gets to kill, castrate or beat up the 'bad guy', what exactly is his prize? At best another go on a used up dirty skank that will betray him further down the road when another 'bad guy' comes into the picture and at worst a visit to prison.
The only way to win in an NTR is to live a full and happy life without a single thought about the cheater or the AP ... and that for almost every single NTR game is only achieved by turning it off and walking away.
I like NTR games in as much as it's avoidable by choices, I have no problem, even in harem games, if someone I'm not interested in goes off with another ... for the very reason I have no problem with watching porn, but there's no way I'd let my dick anywhere near any hole on a porn actresses body.
Honestly, the ending where the mom and daughter are pregnant and covered in tats and filth is a happy ending. That simple picture flushes any love or desire for them right down the toilet. It actually frees the MC from ever having to think about his once beautiful and desirable LI. In the same way that if your GF ran off and spent a couple years doing crystal meth and then came back to you with no teeth etc., you feel a little sad for the loss of the beauty she once was but you'd have zero interest in her as a person sexual or otherwise from that point on. That the guy is sitting there thinking he's won when all he's got is two bags of shit is actually quite funny.
Even if the MC gets to kill, castrate or beat up the 'bad guy', what exactly is his prize? At best another go on a used up dirty skank that will betray him further down the road when another 'bad guy' comes into the picture and at worst a visit to prison.
The only way to win in an NTR is to live a full and happy life without a single thought about the cheater or the AP ... and that for almost every single NTR game is only achieved by turning it off and walking away.
I like NTR games in as much as it's avoidable by choices, I have no problem, even in harem games, if someone I'm not interested in goes off with another ... for the very reason I have no problem with watching porn, but there's no way I'd let my dick anywhere near any hole on a porn actresses body.
Honestly, the ending where the mom and daughter are pregnant and covered in tats and filth is a happy ending. That simple picture flushes any love or desire for them right down the toilet. It actually frees the MC from ever having to think about his once beautiful and desirable LI. In the same way that if your GF ran off and spent a couple years doing crystal meth and then came back to you with no teeth etc., you feel a little sad for the loss of the beauty she once was but you'd have zero interest in her as a person sexual or otherwise from that point on. That the guy is sitting there thinking he's won when all he's got is two bags of shit is actually quite funny.
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It was my understanding that the trio of NeToRare, NeToRase, and NeToRi could all be described as being NTR, but, yes, NTS does specifically mean netorase.
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He's only good at art, his writing is horrible and it seems like a parody.
Like another said the reality is that Western NTR is basically cuckoldry, so the wife is cheating on the MC basically whatever willingly or via blackmail, it would still be NTR if the wife was completely unwillingly forced to participate, however after the guy that forced her got removed, its not like anything prevent her and her husband from being reunited, again the problem is you confuse the wife cheating on the MC willingly or not, if she cheated willingly, well yea its over, but if she was forced under significant threat, well realistically its basically rape, do you mean to tell me if your lover was raped you'd consider them spoiled and refuse to ever be with them again? That would be a pretty grim mindset, here at least in this story the wife was forced to cheat, although the excuse might be fairly weak, that is because again its not truly about NTR.
Yea, I actually meant Netorare, I just mixed up the two words, I am by no mean Japanese and we tend to only see the NTR abreviation poping around all the time rather than the specific terms. Also you are right that outside of masochism basically its about cuckoldry, forgot for a moment about that fetish, so yea that would be the other fetish that drives Western NTR, either way its obnoxious the fact that the 'fans' are too dumb to get that what they consider the genre to be about is wrong.
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I know there's going to be soul crushing NTR, which is fine, but I hope there's a good ending along the lines of what we get for Aya in the main game or at least a netorase ending to make having to deal with Harry's retardation worth going through again. No lie in the base game Harry is one of the dumbest, most pathetic MCs in an NTR game I've ever played
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My personal griefances towards this game, it's character development is janky and boring.
Everyone is destined to suffer, it seems. Everyone is a fuckhead, fucked in the head. MC is bound to suffer just because he's a MC. His girl is bound to suffer just because she's his girl, but is ready to cheat on him whenever. The other girl, who's a literal psycho and a rapee.
Heck, even the "villain" has some parental issues at least, and I can't even tell why he's so adamant on destroying MC's life. Idk if that was explained in the game at all, or I just skipped the dialogs because it was getting exponentially boring.
It's just something about this game that doesn't make characters believable. Corruption is happening behind the scenes, in one scene the girl is adamant of being with Harry, the next cadre (omitting the whole Harry's perspective) she's jumping on Luca's cock, submitting to him, or to his cock and sexual skills to be exact. But then suddenly the girl is all cold and/or spiteful towards Harry. Like really, is this a character development? No crying, no regrets, instant switch? Then why make like 80% of previous scenes like there's some psychological struggel behind it? I know the h game logic doesn't have to follow RL logic rules, but the inner logic of the world should be consistent, and this game's doesnt make it for me, with culmination/corruption being way to abrupt for the whole previous set up. And even after the falling, girls seem to suffer. Can't even enjoy being corrupted.
This whole rules system seemed to be interesting, but was kinda boring in the end, too.
tldr this game is about everyone suffering and girls getting cruel. Happiness doesn't exist for anyone, period.
Everyone is destined to suffer, it seems. Everyone is a fuckhead, fucked in the head. MC is bound to suffer just because he's a MC. His girl is bound to suffer just because she's his girl, but is ready to cheat on him whenever. The other girl, who's a literal psycho and a rapee.
Heck, even the "villain" has some parental issues at least, and I can't even tell why he's so adamant on destroying MC's life. Idk if that was explained in the game at all, or I just skipped the dialogs because it was getting exponentially boring.
It's just something about this game that doesn't make characters believable. Corruption is happening behind the scenes, in one scene the girl is adamant of being with Harry, the next cadre (omitting the whole Harry's perspective) she's jumping on Luca's cock, submitting to him, or to his cock and sexual skills to be exact. But then suddenly the girl is all cold and/or spiteful towards Harry. Like really, is this a character development? No crying, no regrets, instant switch? Then why make like 80% of previous scenes like there's some psychological struggel behind it? I know the h game logic doesn't have to follow RL logic rules, but the inner logic of the world should be consistent, and this game's doesnt make it for me, with culmination/corruption being way to abrupt for the whole previous set up. And even after the falling, girls seem to suffer. Can't even enjoy being corrupted.
This whole rules system seemed to be interesting, but was kinda boring in the end, too.
tldr this game is about everyone suffering and girls getting cruel. Happiness doesn't exist for anyone, period.
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NTR/harem games usually have stupid and retarded characters, they usually do the stupidest things just to create spicy content, these types of games are more about enjoying and not paying much attention to character development because usually there is no :'v
Yes, that's the problem, and in many anime or hentai the characters definitely aren't written in a flat-as-a-board, pretermined standing.
Sarcasm aside, I don't think these games primarily attract masochists, no, they attract sadists. If they attracted masochists, you'd hear more pushback on how so many of the scenes are out out sight, out of mind.