VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

[mzer0]

Maya is already corrupted, she already cucked Harry and who knows in what ways abused him that he tries his best to forget. Why do you consider Maya redeemable ? Why wouldn't she cuck Harry again ?

Everyone, please correct me if I'm wrong because it is possible that I missed it and I don't have the time to check right now, but is it ever stated in the story that Maya and Harry were actually dating? IIRC, Harry only ever says that she was good student who was changed by Luca, not that she was his girlfriend and Luca stole her from him.

If I'm right, then Maya doesn't need to be redeemed because she never cucked Harry. It would have been more of a BSS (I loved her first) situation and that isn't something you can blame Maya for.

Again, my memory might be off here, but I really don't remember anything being said about them being a couple.

Laura doesn't need to be redeemed in the other paths because she wouldn't be doing the things she did in this one.

...But she would still be the same person.

I don't know how you've been interpreting the story, but it's pretty clear that Luca hasn't corrupted Laura. He's just helped her be more honest with herself and stop pretending to be someone else, and yes, Laura pretends a lot:

She pretends to be an ideal person at work.
She pretends in front of Harry to live up to the pedestal he's placed her on.
She also pretends to have nothing in common with her mother.

All of the above was true long before Luca showed up. I repeat: Luca has not corrupted Laura; he simply brought into the light that which she was trying to keep in the dark. And the worst part is that if Luca had never shown up, she would never have admitted to any of it. She would have betrayed Harry eventually once she finally grew tired of the ac, though. Of that, I am sure.

Laura can't be redeemed because she won't even admit she has a problem in the first place.

Laura is aware of her dark side, she was able to control it well so far. The idea is that Harry brings out her good sides to light while Luca awakens her bad side.

Laura is NOT truly aware of her dark side, she is mostly in denial of it. This is evident in her hatred for her mother which is just subconscious projection on her part. This should be clear from the scene where Laura freaks out when she realizes how much she and her mother have in common. She only freaked out because she was finally forced to acknowledge something that she had been desperately trying to ignore.

Harry does not bring out her good side, he just helps to distract her from own darkness. Not that same thing.

This is not exactly a revelation that good people stray from good path when they are influenced by bad people.'

Laura was never good, though. That's one of the reasons Luca liked her. He saw through the facade. Her coworkers couldn't and Harry couldn't either. One of the things that made her open up to Luca was the fact that she could be herself around him; i.e. NOT GOOD.

Your insistence that she is good is actually kind of interesting. Remember that scene where Laura and Harry are in bed and she asks him if he understands her? Right now, you're making the same mistake Harry makes when you select the "I don't know" option. You're failing to see Laura for who she really is in favor of an idealized version of her (i.e. 'a good person').

Deep down, Laura is a twisted, selfish person. She's great at hiding it, but being good at hiding your bad side isn't the same thing as being a good person.

(Mind you, HC is the author so he can easily torpedo all my theories and convictions with one paragraph.)

 

[Rylangamer123]

Everyone, please correct me if I'm wrong because it is possible that I missed it and I don't have the time to check right now, but is it ever stated in the story that Maya and Harry were actually dating? IIRC, Harry only ever says that she was good student who was changed by Luca, not that she was his girlfriend and Luca stole her from him.

If I'm right, then Maya doesn't need to be redeemed because she never cucked Harry. It would have been more of a BSS (I loved her first) situation and that isn't something you can blame Maya for.

Again, my memory might be off here, but I really don't remember anything being said about them being a couple.




...But she would still be the same person.

I don't know how you've been interpreting the story, but it's pretty clear that Luca hasn't corrupted Laura. He's just helped her be more honest with herself and stop pretending to be someone else, and yes, Laura pretends a lot:

She pretends to be an ideal person at work.
She pretends in front of Harry to live up to the pedestal he's placed her on.
She also pretends to have nothing in common with her mother.

All of the above was true long before Luca showed up. I repeat: Luca has not corrupted Laura; he simply brought into the light that which she was trying to keep in the dark. And the worst part is that if Luca had never shown up, she would never have admitted to any of it. She would have betrayed Harry eventually once she finally grew tired of the ac, though. Of that, I am sure.

Laura can't be redeemed because she won't even admit she has a problem in the first place.




Laura is NOT truly aware of her dark side, she is mostly in denial of it. This is evident in her hatred for her mother which is just subconscious projection on her part. This should be clear from the scene where Laura freaks out when she realizes how much she and her mother have in common. She only freaked out because she was finally forced to acknowledge something that she had been desperately trying to ignore.

Harry does not bring out her good side, he just helps to distract her from own darkness. Not that same thing.



Laura was never good, though. That's one of the reasons Luca liked her. He saw through the facade. Her coworkers couldn't and Harry couldn't either. One of the things that made her open up to Luca was the fact that she could be herself around him; i.e. NOT GOOD.

Your insistence that she is good is actually kind of interesting. Remember that scene where Laura and Harry are in bed and she asks him if he understands her? Right now, you're making the same mistake Harry makes when you select the "I don't know" option. You're failing to see Laura for who she really is in favor of the idealized version of her (i.e. 'good people').

Deep down, Laura is a twisted, selfish person. She's great at hiding it, but being good at hiding your bad side isn't the same thing as being a good person.

(Mind you, HC is the author so he can easily torpedo all my theories and convictions with one paragraph.)

welp hc does love dark stories or something but you can check what i have said or my thought for the next path bro also we dont know what hc has planned and if he wants to make laura a good woman or be herself in front of harry like the denial of what she is not or something and tell her thoughts out openly or something in my thread for this there are convos going on if you want to have a look as you were mentioned there also
also i am pretty sure laura knows she is like her mom and is keep on denying that side of hers even if she wanted to be a good person and not like her but in the end she did the same thing like her or we dont know her past well and same for harry also like we have zero idea about his past and what happened between harry luca and maya also about laura sandra and laura dad

 

[LimitlessHorniness]

I'm assuming the abrupt path won't have any scenes with Aya either. That's the virtually the main reason I'm here and it seems I'm going to be here a while.

 

[Rylangamer123]

I'm assuming the abrupt path won't have any scenes with Aya either. That's the virtually the main reason I'm here and it seems I'm going to be here a while.

its going to be a while before aya gets any scenes maybe once we reach the final path or ending of laura path we might get some more info for aya path and route

 

[Animefan_09]

Same. But I still intend to enjoy the bad ones.
Having a good ending as a sort of 'palate cleanser' will just make it easier to do that.

I personally don't need a good ending, mostly because things were good in the begining, this isn't like other stories were things are more neutral when it starts, this feels more ruining a happy ending that is already in the making. But i will enjoy it all too anyway xD

Laura doesn't need to be redeemed in the other paths because she wouldn't be doing the things she did in this one.

THIS!!! Seriously this, Laura can be reedemed easily, and like its been said what makes people think Maya is any better? Only way i can see her as a good person is if she got fucked over and basically realized she shat on Harry and ruined her life, it could happen but there is no proof she isn't an evil bitch too. And if anything Laura having all these flaws and traits buried but choosing to remain with Harry and fight them would make her more heroic anyway.

Now back to the spoilers, i feel like that "SORRY" may be a sarcastic one, a last insult, etc.

And the thing with the father sounds really interesting, it would explain a lot of things and give Harry and oportunity by basically proving himself different in her eyes for example

 

[Terix3]

Everyone, please correct me if I'm wrong because it is possible that I missed it and I don't have the time to check right now, but is it ever stated in the story that Maya and Harry were actually dating? IIRC, Harry only ever says that she was good student who was changed by Luca, not that she was his girlfriend and Luca stole her from him.

If I'm right, then Maya doesn't need to be redeemed because she never cucked Harry. It would have been more of a BSS (I loved her first) situation and that isn't something you can blame Maya for.

Again, my memory might be off here, but I really don't remember anything being said about them being a couple.

It is not stated, only that she was his childhood friend. He recalls her image after a line where he says that he remembers those feelings of betrayal, hopelessness, desperation. It is common NTR plot that childhood friend gets stolen before the guy takes action. Given that Luca was the one that broke her and that he was bullying Harry back then i think that is rather unlikely that Maya didn't hurt Harry herself.

...But she would still be the same person.

I don't know how you've been interpreting the story, but it's pretty clear that Luca hasn't corrupted Laura. He's just helped her be more honest with herself and stop pretending to be someone else, and yes, Laura pretends a lot:

She pretends to be an ideal person at work.
She pretends in front of Harry to live up to the pedestal he's placed her on.
She also pretends to have nothing in common with her mother.

All of the above was true long before Luca showed up. I repeat: Luca has not corrupted Laura; he simply brought into the light that which she was trying to keep in the dark. And the worst part is that if Luca had never shown up, she would never have admitted to any of it. She would have betrayed Harry eventually once she finally grew tired of the ac, though. Of that, I am sure.

Laura can't be redeemed because she won't even admit she has a problem in the first place.

She is the same person. (BTW. Poor HC he spent nearly 200k words corrupting Laura and now you say she was corrupted from the start XD ). But it is actions that define people not what they could potentially do.

What you call pretending is simply acting as a decent human. It is common thing we do in life, we often act as is expected of us, even if we don't feel it in our heart. That doesn't make you a bad person to have feelings you don't act upon.

Laura was very good at controlling her dark side before Luca. Whatever she could have controlled herself for rest of her life - we don't know as we don't have much of her pov before Luca starts poisoning her. As such we don't know if she was happy living that life and whatever the pretending was something that bothered her. But we know Laura truly loves Harry at the start of the story, there is no indication of her being unhappy with him. As such i would say she would be able to contrinue and if not Harry would be there to support her.

You are also horribly minimizing Luca's influence. He raped her and forced to do countless things to train her into believing that others are guilty of her suffering.

Honestly rape (direct or through coercion) is such a psychological strain that is impossible to comprehend how it would impact a person.

Laura is NOT truly aware of her dark side, she is mostly in denial of it. This is evident in her hatred for her mother which is just subconscious projection on her part. This should be clear from the scene where Laura freaks out when she realizes how much she and her mother have in common. She only freaked out because she was finally forced to acknowledge something that she had been desperately trying to ignore.

Harry does not bring out her good side, he just helps to distract her from own darkness. Not that same thing.

Laura is aware of her dark side just not the depth of it. Can one even know that ?
How can you say she is in denial when she clearly is afraid of her losing control of herself?
She hates her mother because she hates her dark side, she wants no contact with her because she is afraid of the influence.
She is freaked out because she realizes that something she was afraid of has became reality.

One way or another Harry has good influence on her.

Laura was never good, though. That's one of the reasons Luca liked her. He saw through the facade. Her coworkers couldn't and Harry couldn't either. One of the things that made her open up to Luca was the fact that she could be herself around him; i.e. NOT GOOD.

I used the word good it as opposite to bad for that quick reference. It didn't mean to be that Laura was good person although from the perspective of Harry and coworkers she was. Only she herself knows that she is not an us that are privy to her thoughts. Luca is given plot armor.

Your insistence that she is good is actually kind of interesting. Remember that scene where Laura and Harry are in bed and she asks him if he understands her? Right now, you're making the same mistake Harry makes when you select the "I don't know" option. You're failing to see Laura for who she really is in favor of an idealized version of her (i.e. 'a good person').

Deep down, Laura is a twisted, selfish person. She's great at hiding it, but being good at hiding your bad side isn't the same thing as being a good person.

You are forgetting that by the time of that bad scene Laura has already changed. She has lost her ability to control her dark side, she won't be able to carry on the act as she used to.
That is why Harry's understanding is so crucial there because she needs the pillar to support her. When that pillar is Luca, well shit hits the fan.

Also i'm not failing to see Laura for who she is, you are failing to see that most people have dark side to them (there are very few saints out there) but having bad thoughts doesn't make one a bad person. If you would have access to everyone thoughts you would be afraid to walk the streets.

Finally i'm not bothered by Laura being good or bad, i'm bothered by you saying that there was no corruption happening.

 

[Voilsh]

Man people, you write novel levels of comments on this story, it's impressive.
Meanwhile here I am, a simple person, just enjoying the rare western corruption ntr mystery with good art

 

[Animefan_09]

Man people, you write novel levels of comments on this story, it's impressive.
Meanwhile here I am, a simple person, just enjoying the rare western corruption ntr mystery with good art

At least is a good one, and they raise interesting points.

I can't wait to see what kind of sabotage and bullying Laura and Luca do to Harry this update.

 

[EndlessNights]

But we know Laura truly loves Harry at the start of the story, there is no indication of her being unhappy with him.

Am I remembering this wrong or was it not Laura's idea that she and Harry keep their relationship secret from their coworkers? That was a separate thing from Harry not wanting to move in with her until he'd proven himself worthy in his mind. I distinctly remember thinking the coworker thing was a huge red flag since Laura might have been trying to keep her options open or have felt ashamed of Harry in some way.

This has been a great discussion, but I tend to agree more with mzer0 that there was always trouble in paradise and that Laura would likely always have cheated or at least just dumped Harry eventually. Laura's willingness to keep secrets and deceive her boyfriend is a classic cheater tell. It also seems likely to me that consciously or unconsciously Laura has probably continually reinforced Harry's feelings of inadequacy throughout their relationship. After she calls him a weakling (that was the point in the story where I personally lost all interest in seeing Harry stay with Laura), she seems to know that an apology is all that will be needed to set things right again. She thinks Harry is a very good and decent person, but I'm not sure she's ever respected him or truly felt he was really on her level.

 

[MasksDude]

Just to inform you all there is a good ending for mc but we don't know if it's in hero path or good and do have a look NewTricks

it still don't make sense why an NTR game is gonna be all about the guy who got cucked?

it's supposed to be NTR, we know HC is a full-blown ntr dude. I don't know why you guys play NTR games for the "satisfaction" of revenge/redemption from the guy who got cucked

 

[Rylangamer123]

it still don't make sense why an NTR game is gonna be all about the guy who got cucked?

it's supposed to be NTR, we know HC is a full-blown ntr dude. I don't know why you guys play NTR games for the "satisfaction" of revenge/redemption from the guy who got cucked

It's just to add excitement and all to the story if there is one happy ending it's for the people who can't stand the hard ntr for long which hc does

 

[d8games]

Hero were are you?

 

[MasksDude]

Hero were are you?

they lived long enough to become the villain

 

[Guitar_Villain]

I don't know why you guys play NTR games for the "satisfaction" of revenge/redemption from the guy who got cucked

Personally I find the corruption arc in this game the best I've read in any porn game I've played, and that's what kept me returning to it during these months. Other NTR parts, like the absolute idiocy of Harry throughout the story or Luca's focus on humiliating him, are more a turn-off to me than the contrary. The many scenes in which Laura and Luca fuck with Harry on the phone or nearby were almost always absolute cringe to me, but I stayed for the former twos dynamic, which I still find unparalleled to this day.

NTR covers several tropes and not everyone is attracted by all of them

 

[Rylangamer123]

Personally I find the corruption arc in this game the best I've read in any porn game I've played, and that's what kept me returning to it during these months. Other NTR parts, like the absolute idiocy of Harry throughout the story or Luca's focus on humiliating him, are more a turn-off to me than the contrary. The many scenes in which Laura and Luca fuck with Harry on the phone or nearby were almost always absolute cringe to me, but I stayed for the former twos dynamic, which I still find unparalleled to this day.

NTR covers several tropes and not everyone is attracted by all of them

It's more of a personal preference and i don't mind the ntr but i felt like they did not deserve such a fate and some form of redemption or happy ending should be there for the mc and i am not the only one who asked the dev for this the paterons requested him to do at least one happy ending and it might either be good ending or hero ending which gets the happy ending

 

[gzbot op]

Someone be a hero and just upload the game pls

 

[Lexam]

Someone be a hero and just upload the game pls

You know that you could become one too? We are now hiring for hero position, it is non-paid one, but pretty satisfying when you share what you paid for with the pleb, you can apply now.

 

[dean_athallah]

This hero is fake, dont get baited.

Was actually playing hero here, but some plebs just doesn't deserve it, mucho sh*t talking.

 

[RandomLeviathan]

One mans hero is another's villain.

 

[mzer0]

Was actually playing hero here, but some plebs just doesn't deserve it, mucho sh*t talking.

Listen, I'm actually glad the game is taking this long to be leaked. Good for HC. But the fact of the matter is that you, sir, are no hero.

A real hero would have just posted the link in the thread for everyone, not try to gatekeep like you did.

So please, just sit down.