VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

[MasksDude]

Of course every route is gonna be NTR. this game was made to be NTR I don't know why you guys are complaining for something that's not made to be that. Clearly the developer loves NTR genre why would he ruin the story just for the MC to atleast have some points on the story, that would defeat the whole point of the game.


I think the good route is still probably gonna be NTR (Laura being a good gf still cheating or Harry being a good bf and making every decision right and still Laura falls at the same trap Luca gives her into) so the Routes dont affect Laura it's whether what choices Harry makes and still ends up being cucked

 

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[ZagorTeNay]

This is one of more interesting threads, here.
I'm curious, of if HangoverCat did a poll, how many people are interested into something besides hardcore NTR? ( which this VN is obviously primarily designed for)
Or it's only a very a small, vocal minority that wants good ending for Harry ( revenge, getting back Laura or better path with Aya)

 

[mzer0]

This is one of more interesting threads, here.
I'm curious, of if HangoverCat did a poll, how many people are interested into something besides hardcore NTR? ( which this VN is obviously primarily designed for)
Or it's only a very a small, vocal minority that wants good ending for Harry ( revenge, getting back Laura or better path with Aya)

I think the real vocal minority are the ones getting butthurt about the very idea of a good ending. The reality is most of us are here for some hardcore NTR, but there's also a good portion of us who wouldn't mind seeing Harry catch a break after all the shit he's been through.

Also, as gentle reminder, this is a post from HC's patreon from about a year ago before APBLU was released:

Should there be at least one good ending in a NTR visual novel?

Having a good ending usually defeats the purpose of what NTR implies. Then again, you could easily make the argument that visual novels are the perfect mediums to implement a good ending since by nature visual novels are choice-based games. As a reader, I often find myself longing for at least one good ending. NTR can be extremely heavy, so knowing that the characters do have the chance to redeem themselves makes the dark parts of the story a bit easier for me to digest. As a writer though, good endings are just missed opportunities to make the story even more hopeless, which is one of the characteristics that NTR tends to tilt toward.

For my next project, I have at least one good ending in mind. Of course, a good ending is kinda subjective. I think it’s impossible to have a “true” good ending with NTR, unless you stop the story right before the inevitable—blackmail, rape, etc.—happens (which, I think, is lazy writing at this point). But people can redeem themselves, and bonds can become stronger after shared tribulations.

So my question is: should I put resources into writing at least one good ending for my next game, or should my focus be aimed solely on hard NTR?

Regardless of how you feel about it, there is going to be 'at least one good ending', unless HC changes his mind. What form it takes remains to be seen.

Personally, I expect any good ending in APBLU to be bittersweet. Laura was broken from day one. She is her mother's daughter through and through. There is no real happy ending to be had with her...

 

[ForeverLosing]

This is one of more interesting threads, here.
I'm curious, of if HangoverCat did a poll, how many people are interested into something besides hardcore NTR? ( which this VN is obviously primarily designed for)
Or it's only a very a small, vocal minority that wants good ending for Harry ( revenge, getting back Laura or better path with Aya)

I'll preface this by saying I'm a huge NTR fan. Usually I avoid the "good" endings and just let the main character be crushed, ultimately it's a porn game and I don't give a shit about the MC. HOWEVER, Hangover Cat games just hit so differently -- the corruption, the betrayal, the everything -- that I wouldn't mind seeing a "good" ending for the MC to pick up a few shattered bits of his heart.

 

[NewTricks]

I'm not against the concept of a good ending but I really don't want anyone to live in false hope. Everybody is gonna die at the end of Hamlet and all the girls are going to be Luca's mindless whores at the end of this shit show. That's just the nature of the beast. The only variation is going to be the degree to which Harry is going to be destroyed at the end.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

Personally, I expect any good ending in APBLU to be bittersweet. Laura was broken from day one. She is her mother's daughter through and through. There is no real happy ending to be had with her...

Having a stronger bond after redemption sounds like a happy end with Laura tho?

 

[Sumatra 3D]

Having a stronger bond after redemption sounds like a happy end with Laura tho?

Same with Harry moving on or Luca getting fucked over in some way. In the former, Laura (and any other girls) is(are) still (a) degenerate mindbroken cumdump(s). In the latter the same is true but Harry may be still be broken, however Luca gets fucked over.
I personally do not want an ending where Laura and Harry manage to defeat Luca and live happily ever after. Laura is too tainted and broken. I just want Gary Stu Luca to suffer some consequences, Laura to actually have some remorse/consequences and Harry to salvage something. That's a good ending to me.

or

Luca gets bored and moves on and Laura has to go deal with the fallout of her actions and go through a redemption arc. She can repair her relationship with her mother since she understands her now. She also shouldn't succeeding winning back Harry. Instead, she should fail but at least Harry is in a better place and she has learned her lesson.

This is all wishful thinking though because the dev does not write stories like this. It's just that, having hardcore soul crushing ntr every path just knocks a few points off for me. Hopefully the next project has more varied paths and endings.

 

[Sumatra 3D]

Yeah, I don't get how people are not seeing it this way. We may be missing Laura's perspective, but it's not like the story hasn't given us some massive hints.

For example, when Harry proposes to her, Harry's inner dialogue tells us that, at least for a moment, he sees genuine happiness in her eyes before she makes herself go blank.

She was happy. And this was after spending all night fucking Luca without a condom.

She was happy about it in the normal route, too. The difference is that she said yes in the Normal route, but she is saying no now. Why is she saying no now? Because if she said yes in front of all those people, it would eventually get back to Luca and her plan would be ruined.

There is actually no doubt in my mind that Laura hasn't fallen. Not at this point, at least. But, if it turns out that she has, I just don't think I would be able to understand her character anymore.

Oh god... If I don't understand her...does that mean she's going to cuck me next?

Considering the fact that the alt for this hero path used to be called "Fallen", her plan is going to fail and Gary Stu Luca will pull a "i knew about your plan the whole time" before making her fall even harder. So we are most likely going to get another overwhelming victory for Luca with no effort.

 

[rhcp725]

Honestly at this point i just want actual endings. So far we have had 3 " endings " yet not a single one of them is an actual end where resolution to the story takes place.

Normal 1. We get the reveal and Harry freaking out yet what happens once he leaves the conference room?

Normal 2. We get Harry sitting at his computer and reading I'm Sorry on his screen and then nothing. We don't even get a reveal just " the end". Who's sorry? Does Harry ever find out about Laura's infidelity?

Abrupt. Here we finally get what looks like we're gonna get an actual ending but nope. We get the reveal and Harry is about to act but the story stops just outside the door. What happens inside the room?

So 3 endings, zero resolutions so far. It's painful to invest that much time into a story that doesn't have an actual ending. I hoping that this is intentional by HC as to not ruining other paths by giving potential spoilers and once all that paths are implemented the final update to the game is the resolutions to all the paths. If not it's just an unfinished story that failed to live up to what it could have been if completed.

 

[JoZEr]

I hoping that this is intentional by HC as to not ruining other paths by giving potential spoilers and once all that paths are implemented the final update to the game is the resolutions to all the paths. If not it's just an unfinished story that failed to live up to what it could have been if completed.

This exactly. I really want denouements in these story lines. I'm hoping they are written and are just waiting till the other endings are complete.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

Same with Harry moving on or Luca getting fucked over in some way. In the former, Laura (and any other girls) is(are) still (a) degenerate mindbroken cumdump(s). In the latter the same is true but Harry may be still be broken, however Luca gets fucked over.

I don't see how either of these relate to the stronger bonds after shared tribulations in HC's patreon post

 

[Sumatra 3D]

I don't see how either of these relate to the stronger bonds after shared tribulations in HC's patreon post

Oh my bad. I thought we were discussing what we each consider a good ending in APBLU so I was giving my own opinion.

 

[mzer0]

Having a stronger bond after redemption sounds like a happy end with Laura tho?

I believe HC already said a while back that 'redemption' isn't in the cards for this story. That is why I have always believed that Harry's happy ending is going to come through Maya, not Laura.

 

[Animefan_09]

I believe HC already said a while back that 'redemption' isn't in the cards for this story. That is why I have always believed that Harry's happy ending is going to come through Maya, not Laura.

Harry's happy ending will come through "Manuela".....spanish speakign people will get the joke xD

 

[NewTricks]

Harry's happy ending will come through "Manuela".....spanish speakign people will get the joke xD

"Five against one. No fair." - Ernest Hemmingway.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

Harry's happy ending is going to come through Maya, not Laura.

Duno what you mean by through her besides learning from his supposed mistakes back then

 

[Sumatra 3D]

I believe HC already said a while back that 'redemption' isn't in the cards for this story. That is why I have always believed that Harry's happy ending is going to come through Maya, not Laura.

But isn't Maya a mindbroken slut too? She was a prostitute as well. Unless she's left that life behind like Sandra, I doubt it'd be Maya.

 

[woomb]

Normal 2. We get Harry sitting at his computer and reading I'm Sorry on his screen and then nothing. We don't even get a reveal just " the end". Who's sorry? Does Harry ever find out about Laura's infidelity?

Pretty sure that

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[rhcp725]

Speculation however well informed is just that. I tend to agree with you however without it being revealed in game as part of the narrative it doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that the story ended prematurely without resolution.